How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

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How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by northeastclaret » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:54 pm

I thought it was about 10 seconds, I am not sure. The Brighton keeper had it in his hands for 22 seconds once in the first half, it was just after Vydra had brilliantly controlled a long pass over his head.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:56 pm

Six seconds, never penalised though.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:59 pm

northeastclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:54 pm
I thought it was about 10 seconds, I am not sure. The Brighton keeper had it in his hands for 22 seconds once in the first half, it was just after Vydra had brilliantly controlled a long pass over his head.
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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:00 pm

It's been 6 seconds for ages, which is why some will bounce it a few times and then eventually drop it at their feet.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by northeastclaret » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:01 pm

Six seconds!!!. Is this another law that’s still in place but refs totally ignore implementing it or has it changed?

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:04 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:00 pm
It's been 6 seconds for ages, which is why some will bounce it a few times and then eventually drop it at their feet.
Bouncing it doesn’t make a difference, it’s six seconds from when they get hold of it to when they release it into play. They can’t just bounce it and start the six seconds again.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by bobinho » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:07 pm

This law was devised to get the ball back into play quicker thereby making the game more exciting to watch. The lawmakers have obviously realised people will spend ridiculous amounts of money watching the game as it is so there is no need to enforce it.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:09 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:04 pm
Bouncing it doesn’t make a difference, it’s six seconds from when they get hold of it to when they release it into play. They can’t just bounce it and start the six seconds again.
I just figured that's why they all bounced it tbh.

The 6 second law has been around since 98, but it's rarely enforced unless the keeper is properly taking the mick.

http://www.goalkeeperhq.com/dont-abuse- ... cond-rule/

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Post by northeastclaret » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:32 pm

So this rule should be filed under the other rules refs ignore nowadays such as dissent, no longer booking for simulation in the box or anywhere else, stopping quick free kicks by kicking or running away with the ball or obstructing a quick kick.
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Post by pushpinpussy » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:39 pm

God this lockdown is hitting some people hard if they are counting the number of seconds a keeper as hold of a ball. Jesus wept
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Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:41 pm

northeastclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:54 pm
I thought it was about 10 seconds, I am not sure. The Brighton keeper had it in his hands for 22 seconds once in the first half, it was just after Vydra had brilliantly controlled a long pass over his head.
If anyone has recorded the game then right at the beginning, probably first 90 seconds, their keeper has the ball in his hands for what seemed an eternity. I think it was longer than the 22 seconds and certainly long enough to create the first discussion of the game in our house. The question I posed was firstly, ' is there a rule?; What is it? and if there isn't a rule why have I just seen West Ham's keeper, Fabianski, booked for time wasting?

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Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:44 pm

Not sure Nick Pope observes this rule and Tom Heaton certainly didn’t.
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Post by Targetman » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:46 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:39 pm
God this lockdown is hitting some people hard if they are counting the number of seconds a keeper as hold of a ball. Jesus wept
Or bragging about imaginary holidays? 😋

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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:50 pm

It's definitely worth asking Nick Pope, he has better possession stats than any of our forwards!

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:59 pm
They can hold on to it for as long as they are able to chant kebaddi with just a single breath without inhaling
Channel 4 need to bring back Transworld Sports

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:45 pm

Still after years I still think “3 steps ref!” Can’t get used to the keeper going for a walk

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Siddo » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:06 pm

TheOriginalLongsider wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:45 pm
Still after years I still think “3 steps ref!” Can’t get used to the keeper going for a walk
Don't you mean 4 steps?

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by DustyBawls » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:10 pm

If it's 6 seconds, does that mean if they bounce the ball, that 6 seconds is reset?

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Post by groove » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:16 pm

Siddo wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:06 pm
Don't you mean 4 steps?
I thought it was 6 steps

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:18 pm

DustyBawls wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:10 pm
If it's 6 seconds, does that mean if they bounce the ball, that 6 seconds is reset?
The 6 seconds is reset as soon as the previous 6 seconds has elapsed.

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Post by DustyBawls » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:31 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:18 pm
The 6 seconds is reset as soon as the previous 6 seconds has elapsed.
No - we then go into reserve seconds. Also known as the red zone.

I wanted to know if that's when there is a reset.

Keep with the game, grandma.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:36 pm

DustyBawls wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:31 pm
No - we then go into reserve seconds. Also known as the red zone.

I wanted to know if that's when there is a reset.

Keep with the game, grandma.
:D

To be fair though 6 seconds isn’t really enough time for, say, a goalkeeper to collect a corner and the defending team to get up the pitch and into position to receive the ball.

It can be a bit frustrating at times but it’s not in the same league as time wasting at goal kicks. And I think it’s fair to say that Pope, with his fake short pass, is an artist in this field.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Andreshotboots » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:42 pm

I think they should also look at when a ball is grounded for a goal kick, you have 10 seconds to kick it. It winds me up no end when the centre halves are 5 feet away to receive a short goal kick, the keeper decides against it and waves Every body up the pitch and 're spots the ball. I know Pope did it against Villa, but it's annoying to watch..

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Post by dsr » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:02 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:36 pm
:D

To be fair though 6 seconds isn’t really enough time for, say, a goalkeeper to collect a corner and the defending team to get up the pitch and into position to receive the ball.

It can be a bit frustrating at times but it’s not in the same league as time wasting at goal kicks. And I think it’s fair to say that Pope, with his fake short pass, is an artist in this field.
Exactly. 6 seconds was a ridiculously short time and therefore unenforceable. If they had made it 12 seconds it might have been taken notice of.

I remember a game once - not in the PL - where we were chasing the game (drawing or 1 down) with 30 seconds left of injury time when the goalkeeper picked the ball up. He still had it in his hands when the ref blew for full time.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by JohnMac » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:06 am

Don't forget the classic 'falling to the ground clutching the ball tightly to the chest routine'

That adds at least another 10 seconds whilst the Keeper recovers fron his exertions.

And inwardly we all think 'Good lad, stay down Popey'. Come on, admit it! :D

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by timshorts » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:07 am

Shhhhhh!
Don't let the VAR people know about this rule......

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Claretitus » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:52 am

The only time I can ever recall this rule being enforced, was in the early 80’s at St. James Park Newcastle. Stevenson was penalised, indirect free kick to them, obviously inside the box, someone rolled it to Keegan, who smashed it into the roof of the net.

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Post by claretyke » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:02 pm

We should be asking the refs this question, i doubt if many will know the answer?

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Post by Gordaleman » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:11 pm

They did away with the four steps rule because Alex Stepney was allowed five, six and sometimes seven steps when he played for Manure.

People complained, but rather than punish Stepney, they changed the rule.

Must admit, it's so frustrating to watch rules being ignored. The one that really annoys me is opposition players either carrying or kicking the ball away at free kicks. It's obvious that it's to give their side to to arrange their defence, yet refs rarely do anything about it.

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Re: How many seconds before a keeper has to release the ball?

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:08 pm

A few seasons ago there was obviously an edict from the FA that this was an area to focus on for refs. Thetree were a couple of free kicks awarded for keepers holding on for more than 6 seconds. You then got forwards stood in front of keepers counting 6 on their fingers and screaming at refs to award a free kick. As with many things in football this fad was soon replaced with a crackdown on something else. I did notice the Brighton keeper was particularly bad yesterday.

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