Can't be bothered anymore

[BurnleyFC]

I do wonder how many posters have ‘second’ teams to follow - Accy Stanley, Padiham, Colne, Clitheroe etc?

Maybe that makes a Burnley defeat slightly easier to stomach if your second team is doing well and picking up wins even if Burnley aren’t.

Unfortunately for me, I really don’t give a stuff about any second teams, regardless of proximity, so I’ve never had that to fall back on.

[KRBFC]

Not often I agree with you, but on this you’re right.

Im’shitio would be a much better player

Just anyone but Stephens, even if it's a mystery stab in the dark like Fernando Guerrero, he offered the same as Stephens, nothing.

[GaryClaret]

Come off it. This is not a position anyone can take realistically is it? I know tonight was very disappointing but we have had a win away at Liverpool less than a month ago.

That night meant a great deal and is to be treasured. That’s exactly why we should still be bothered.

[Chester Perry]

....We will have to find nearly £10 million to pay the players their yearly bonus for staying in the division by May

That would cover half the bonus for staying up

I do wonder how the compensation is structured for the Manager. I'm assuming due to the riches of staying in the Prem, the Manager is on a lot to keep us in this league. As such he can quite happily stick two fingers up to us lot and say "I'm doing my job of managing this motley assembly of players and keeping the gravy train rolling for the owners!" Can't blame him TBH. He's doing a good job with what he's got, which let's face it isn't a lot when you compare us to our Prem neighbours.

Winning an FA cup brings in about £5m if you are lucky - It does get you in Europa League group stages where it is possible to pick up a further £15m or so, but a lot of that goes in costs and of course you need a much deeper squad to play all those European games. there will also likely be commercial bonuses, but for us no more than £3m I would think. By contrast 17th in the Premier League would bring in £100m + normally and around £85m - £90m this season. on those numbers you can understand the bonus structure.

Quite possibly a shake up of playing personnel in the summer wether we stay up or not - whichever division we are in there has to be fresh blood. The new owners have to show something too, especially after no signings in January, otherwise they will be considered “all talk” by the fans I’d imagine.

I am not sure how with the extended deals meaning there is no room in the budget without the sale of a prized asset or two, revenues this year are going to be substantially down (even for us) probably by as much as £30m+. To change all that will require a cash injection that is not debt burden.

Ultimately, to love football or a football club you need to be able to dream of future glory. For years, that meant regaining our place in the top division, and it was a hell of a journey to get here. Call me ungrateful, or complacent, or whatever, but now we've achieved that, a future of merely striving to stay in the division year-in, year-out, doesn't really do it for me anymore.

I know we're never going to win the league, but more than anything, I would love to see us play in the Cup Final. I don't know why, since this sort of things happens every season, but I feel that dream was killed tonight more than ever. Maybe I'd naively hoped that the change of ownership might bring a change of attitude, but then I suppose, more than ever, we need the Premier League booty.

I find this brutal, twice-yearly reminder that football is all about money rather than winning stuff does prompt me to ask "what's the point?".

I really get that, but the ultimate, as I am sure Bury and Accrington fans will agree, is that your club is still there at the heart of the community, it may not feel that way now but it does when things are really in the mire, and as abject as it was tonight, they are not

[tim_noone]

I think it's a trick question. Leicester City have never won the FA Cup.

[Vegas Claret]

We’ll never win it if we don’t even f#cking try

I don't think we didn't try tonight, Jay missed an absolute sitter. The issue is our "second strongest team" isn't good enough to beat a bang average Championship team, I don't think effort can be questioned

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Why enter? That is what totally p1sses me off. If the manager has no interest then don’t enter.
They fined ManU the other year for not entering. Utd should have taken them to court, they’d have won.

[Gordaleman]

I don't think we didn't try tonight, Jay missed an absolute sitter. The issue is our "second strongest team" isn't good enough to beat a bang average Championship team, I don't think effort can be questioned

I can just imagine the response on here if Vydra had missed that 'sitter'. He would have been castigated. Yet JayRod and Wooden, miss chances week after week and don't seem to get anything like the same criticism. I'd love to know why.

[DomBFC1882]

I can just imagine the response on here if Vydra had missed that 'sitter'. He would have been castigated. Yet JayRod and Wooden, miss chances week after week and don't seem to get anything like the same criticism. I'd love to know why.

Bang on mate. The Vydra haters are quiet

[Targetman]

I’m the same now. Stopped the sports channels a few weeks ago, I found myself looking for things to do whilst the Burnley game was on in the background. Even the Liverpool win was painful to watch.

I check the scores but don’t get too worked up/excited by the result at all. The season definitely has a “doesn’t really count” feel about it now with the fans gone from the grounds for so long.

I’ll probably go back on once we’re allowed, but I can’t say I’m really looking forward to it.

I think you have had a downer with football for quite some time now from reading some of your previous posts.

I remember you saying that the season was going to be suspended a few weeks ago, didn't you say that it wasn't right for footballers to carry on playing?

Give yourself a rest from it mate before it wears you down completely.

[Leisure]

No they weren’t as you know. You are missing the point about the depth of disappointment in the side selected tonight

The side was very similar to the one v Fulham.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Been watching Burnley 69 years now and I'm probably too old to change, but it has crossed my mind during Covid "Do I really want to go back on'turf and watch this dross week in, week out?"

I'm not sure I know the answer.

I think this sentiment is why I am getting angrier and angrier as the night goes on.

It’s all so bloody needless, that’s the frustrating thing - have a go, if we lose, we lose. All I want, is a bit of hope.

[jrgbfc]

The side was very similar to the one v Fulham.

Tbf there's a world of difference between proven Premier league players like Tarks, Pieters and Cork, compared with Benson, Glennon and Dunne who are about league 1 level. 3 pretty big changes!

[buzzclarets79]

Sick to death of the boring hit it long and hope. I don’t even think we coach attacking play, we look like we have no idea what the plan is other than hit it as hard and long and high as we can.
If we are going to lose I’d much rather lose trying to play football than this rubbish constantly served up. 5 years in the richest league in the world and the opposition from the league below can out “football” us. Tactics are absolutely dire week in week out.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Been watching Burnley 69 years now and I'm probably too old to change, but it has crossed my mind during Covid "Do I really want to go back on'turf and watch this dross week in, week out?"

I'm not sure I know the answer.

This is the real problem the new owners will face when trying to grow the brand. This style of football is difficult to watch even for die hard Burnley fans.

[Vegas Claret]

I can just imagine the response on here if Vydra had missed that 'sitter'. He would have been castigated. Yet JayRod and Wooden, miss chances week after week and don't seem to get anything like the same criticism. I'd love to know why.

Not sure what Jay missing a chance in reference to what we were talking about has anything to do with Vydra. We were talking about "not trying"

But, as to your point, you are correct imho

[Gordaleman]

I think this sentiment is why I am getting angrier and angrier as the night goes on.

It’s all so bloody needless, that’s the frustrating thing - have a go, if we lose, we lose. All I want, is a bit of hope.

Have a go? Didn't see much 'Have a go' tonight.

Tell me why Sean took Vydra off instead of JayRod? Jay missed a sitter, yet with Barny coming on, it's Vydra, who played well with Barny on Saturday, who is the one to get the hook. Where's the logic in that?

There was no real effort to win the game tonight, and that's what upsets people.

[BabylonClaret]

I would pay a small fortune to see us get beat by one of those teams in an exciting final.

Really???? I ******* hated getting beat by Wolves in the Sherpa Van. I'm pretty sure I'd hate losing an fa cup final even more!!!!

Bit I'd rather be there than not obviously!!!

[Jamesy]

I'd rather we spent that £1M from Stephens on a complete random fast player from Brazil. Stephens another boring player we are stuck with

Don’t worry it’s not all bad, we are only paying him £35k per week.

[Leisure]

Tbf there's a world of difference between proven Premier league players like Tarks, Pieters and Cork, compared with Benson, Glennon and Dunne who are about league 1 level. 3 pretty big changes!

Cork has an injury and Pieters was suspended.

[BabylonClaret]

I can just imagine the response on here if Vydra had missed that 'sitter'. He would have been castigated. Yet JayRod and Wooden, miss chances week after week and don't seem to get anything like the same criticism. I'd love to know why.

He did miss it. He missed it first before it dropped to Jay. And arguably that could be one of the reasons he missed because he expected Vydra to score not slice it to him.

And actually Jay has had pelters on here for the miss and his performance (and rightly so)

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Agree Jay Rod missed the sitter but to be fair the ball came to him after MV had taken a shot and miss hit it and it went quickly to JR who then missed the chance

[Untinted Glasses]

Have a go? Didn't see much 'Have a go' tonight.

Tell me why Sean took Vydra off instead of JayRod? Jay missed a sitter, yet with Barny coming on, it's Vydra, who played well with Barny on Saturday, who is the one to get the hook. Where's the logic in that?

There was no real effort to win the game tonight, and that's what upsets people.

I thought they both went off together? Shows how much I was watching it

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Sorry Babylonclaret beat me to it

[DomBFC1882]

Cork has an injury and Pieters was suspended.

But that was the massive difference between the team against Fulham and tonight. We had leaders on the pitch against Fulham in Tarky, Cork and Pieters

[Leisure]

But that was the massive difference between the team against Fulham and tonight. We had leaders on the pitch against Fulham in Tarky, Cork and Pieters

Agree but 2 of those changes were enforced.

[Gordaleman]

I thought they both went off together? Shows how much I was watching it

You've got me wondering now. I know Lowts came on for Gudders. I guess I was like you, not really watching, it was such dross.

[Gordaleman]

He did miss it. He missed it first before it dropped to Jay. And arguably that could be one of the reasons he missed because he expected Vydra to score not slice it to him.

And actually Jay has had pelters on here for the miss and his performance (and rightly so)

What you mean is that it was belted at Vyds who had no chance of doing anything with it.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Have a go? Didn't see much 'Have a go' tonight.

Tell me why Sean took Vydra off instead of JayRod? Jay missed a sitter, yet with Barny coming on, it's Vydra, who played well with Barny on Saturday, who is the one to get the hook. Where's the logic in that?

There was no real effort to win the game tonight, and that's what upsets people.

Just to clarify - my anger is in Dyche “not” having a go, so I am in agreement with you. Apologies if I was ambiguous and implied I was frustrated with those feeling low about it, not the case.

Very obvious to me that we wanted to be out - you don’t take off a winger and put on a 2nd fullback, then say there were no injuries, if you wanted to win. I’m just sad that we have no cup run when the fans during a pandemic would have loved one.

[KRBFC]

Sick to death of the boring hit it long and hope. I don’t even think we coach attacking play, we look like we have no idea what the plan is other than hit it as hard and long and high as we can.
If we are going to lose I’d much rather lose trying to play football than this rubbish constantly served up. 5 years in the richest league in the world and the opposition from the league below can out “football” us. Tactics are absolutely dire week in week out.

We've been out footballed by worse sides than Bournemouth under Dyche, Burton played us off the park a few years back.

[vinrogue]

We named Pieters ffs, the whole back 4 was set up with experience at the back on each flank, then the TV tells me BFC were told about his suspension and changed the team accordingly in the build up. OP can't be bothered anymore, sounds like the staff who are paid a fortune even at BFC can't be bothered. The performance was lacking in any quality and an embarrassment. If we lose on Saturday........I am not sure I can be bothered having a whinge, I will start looking forward to Saturday 3pm kick offs to be pleasantly shocked when we end up 14th with the lowest ever goals for! UTC

[tiger76]

City could get knocked out by Chelsea or United. A bit of luck in the draw and who knows what could happen?

Exactly! but we never give ourselves a chance to find out, yet another ignominious exit tonight to add to the list, as I posted on the other thread if not now then when are we going to take the cup seriously, yes we could've got City in the last 8, but we could've also got Brighton, Bristol City, Sheff Utd, Southampton or Wolves, alas we'll not get the chance to find out now after that dire display tonight.

If all our ambitions are to finish 17th year on year then patience will starting wearing thin pretty soon, and this was a realistic chance to bring some much needed excitement to the club and the town, I remember when football used to be about winning trophies, now obviously we're not going to win the PL, but the FA Cup with a fair wind is a realistic goal, but we don't appear interested in even trying to go deep in this tournament.

[Den_Perry]

I’ve calmed down now. I just hope it was worth it (i.e. we win at the weekend), in which case I’ll forget about it (until we do the same thing next season) and then I’ll be temporarily mad all over again. Hey ho, we move on....UTC!

[Cubanclaret]

Just to clarify - my anger is in Dyche “not” having a go, so I am in agreement with you. Apologies if I was ambiguous and implied I was frustrated with those feeling low about it, not the case.

Very obvious to me that we wanted to be out - you don’t take off a winger and put on a 2nd fullback, then say there were no injuries, if you wanted to win. I’m just sad that we have no cup run when the fans during a pandemic would have loved one.

Sorry but I do think this is nonsense. We didn’t intend to lose. Gudmundsson never finishes games and an overlapping Lowton is just as likely to get a cross in than a knackered JBG. Lowts raided forward at will against Brighton.
Can’t agree either that a cup run was a priority in a pandemic. Premier League games are more regular than ever at the minute. I always want my team to win but the frustration of not being able to attend a Wembley semi-final (even if we got there) would have been hard to bear. Not knocking anyone for being miffed but the bigger picture is not too bad. West Ham lost two first team central defenders tonight and lost after extra time. Bet they’re wishing they’d rested players.

[Rileybobs]

Have a go? Didn't see much 'Have a go' tonight.

Tell me why Sean took Vydra off instead of JayRod? Jay missed a sitter, yet with Barny coming on, it's Vydra, who played well with Barny on Saturday, who is the one to get the hook. Where's the logic in that?

There was no real effort to win the game tonight, and that's what upsets people.

Vydra and Jay Rod came off at exactly the same time, after both doing naff all. Your hard-on for Vydra is peculiar to say the least.

[Pstotto]

Some might say let's have a cup run when the fans can actually go to Wembley, otherwise what's the point?

However, when it's Bournemouth at home, take the passage to the next round and play for it.

[Espia]

Is it possible to truly come to a singular point in time and say that was the moment, that was the proverbial straw/camel/back ? I've never been too sure about that
But somehow tonight feels that way. SD'S attitude expressed in that offering tonight speaks volumes. Maybe I'm being over cynical but maybe his attitude is partially driven by ensuring his own obscene personal gravy train keeps on rolling and avoids every possibility of derailing.
For the first time of his tenureship I'm actually surprising myself by thinking it's time for a change. And yes, that includes if/when we beat Palace.

[Leisure]

Just out of interest, why is it that every time we get beat with a lower league team the players get accused of not trying? On what basis/measure do people judge that the players weren't trying?

[Madpete]

Disappointing game with too many changes & being well beaten.Clearly the league is the first priority but one more win would have took us to the semi’s.Football has changed since I first started watching it as it was a given that you always put out your strongest team & had a right go.These lads are professional footballers & needed to be tested at this level but not to be humiliated.Very down right now but if we get another year in the Premier League tonight will be forgotten...I think!

[BabylonClaret]

Vydra and Jay Rod came off at exactly the same time, after both doing naff all. Your hard-on for Vydra is peculiar to say the least.

This.

[aclaretinstevenage]

I do wonder how many posters have ‘second’ teams to follow - Accy Stanley, Padiham, Colne, Clitheroe etc?

Maybe that makes a Burnley defeat slightly easier to stomach if your second team is doing well and picking up wins even if Burnley aren’t.

Unfortunately for me, I really don’t give a stuff about any second teams, regardless of proximity, so I’ve never had that to fall back on.

Good point. After watching tonight's shameless dross from Turf Moor a morale booster was required, Stevenage went away to Tranmere who are flying in League two and won helping the fight against relegation. This helps lessen the impact of what we served up against Bournemouth.

[Hibsclaret]

There’s no such thing as second teams for proper football fans.

You support one team and that’s it..full stop.

[arise_sir_charge]

Let’s be honest, whether they were trying or not is a moot point, the fact is, if we are playing Man City or Chester City we play exactly the same way and it’s all very tedious.

Tonight feels like another chance to go further in the cups thrown away without the management or players being particularly arsed and that’s why people are feeling as they are tonight. It’s understandable.

[TsarBomba]

Everyone is different.

Some people are able to turn the tv or radio off, and pretty much forget about the result.

Others, especially in these difficult times, look to the club for some relief.

At the moment, for a lot of us, the sport and football is keeping us going.

Having moved away 13 years ago, I’m fortunate that I’m not in the ‘bubble’ by being in Burnley, and can almost forget the result if we’re beat.

FWIW, I think the manner of tonight’s defeat is disrespectful to the fans, and the competition. I’m largely a Dyche fan, but tonight, there were zero f*cks given.

I accept the rotation argument at the moment, and on the back of tonight’s embarrassing performance, I EXPECT us to turn up at Palace. After all, we’ve squandered a place in the QF of the FA Cup. If we don’t turn up on Saturday, I’ll be fuming.

[bf2k]

Fun this thread should come up. Travelling back up north this evening listening to the radio (trying to get National commentary of our game...but failing) and hearing we’d lost got me thinking. I’m fed up of the football I’m seeing recently. Yes the European qualification year was good but that aside I think I really did prefer the championship years where we played some decent football and could turn anyone over on our day. The current style, albeit to a budget, is killing the game for me. Against Chelsea for the first 20 minutes and Brighton after conceding we played really good football but that’s all to few and far between these days.

I don’t think I’m falling out of love with football. Just probably a bit bored with it.

[Wile E Coyote]

we are hanging on to our premier status by the skin of our teeth, aging players, injury struck squad. Do you really believe there is a serious incentive to win the FA cup ??

[pureclaret]

Gordaleman once its available for us all to go back, you will, 69 is something to be enjoyed, and savored , not forgotten about

[tim_noone]

Just out of interest, why is it that every time we get beat with a lower league team the players get accused of not trying? On what basis/measure do people judge that the players weren't trying?

That Game wasnt about getting beat ....it was how we were beat and our performance. You've been watching Burnley long enough to know Better.

[blake's wand]

I think we'd all accept losing, but just wish the manager showed we cared about the cup. I think he's lost touch of the fact that a lot of us would get excited about a cup quarter final.

So many years we get naf draws against city etc, a very winnable game and we put out the reserves and hopes to scrape though.

I'd rather we played this team against city in the league, and saved some for the cup

[tarkys_ears]

One thing a Burnley fan knows all about is losing.

One thing we DON'T know about is p1ssing games away, being afraid of the opposition, basically giving up like a cuckold because the other team are "better than we". This has never been done before Dyche. In my views it's a capital offence and he should be shot for it.

We used to have a shite squad and almost got relegated under Stevie in the mid 00's yet if we had City in a cup game back then, I'd have had nothing but belief in the team. Now it's all shite.

Dyche can go. This is the last straw.