Hypothetical transfers
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:17 am
Say we have £20-£30 M’s to spend , who would you like to sign and why? And would you trust Dyche with any money
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It’s not the footy manager game..... Daniel Sturridge and Ravel Morrison...Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:38 amI’d trim the squad:
Tarks out 25m
Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free
I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons
Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons
Burke in at 5m
Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons
Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons
I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down
I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.
I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.
If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.
I know that, but both are on frees and both want to be in the North West. We’re a safe option and I think they’d both add value to the club.Hibsclaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:47 amIt’s not the footy manager game..... Daniel Sturridge and Ravel Morrison...![]()
Thank you Mr RiggDanieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:38 amI’d trim the squad:
Tarks out 25m
Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free
I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons
Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons
Burke in at 5m
Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons
Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons
I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down
I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.
I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.
If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.
With the exception of Knight, possibly, I can’t really see any of these signing for Burnley. I can’t say I know too much about Dozell tbh.Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:38 amI’d trim the squad:
Tarks out 25m
Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free
I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons
Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons
Burke in at 5m
Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons
Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons
I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down
I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.
I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.
If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.
Reece BurkeTsarBomba wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:56 amWith the exception of Knight, possibly, I can’t really see any of these signing for Burnley. I can’t say I know too much about Dozell tbh.
Dyche wouldn’t approve the majority, and I very much doubt our new board would sanction the likes of Sturridge and/or Morrison.
I am assuming you mean Oli Burke. Neither he or Cairney have the mental attributes or discipline for a Dyche side.
When Burke signed for Leipzig, Hassenhutl said he didn’t have a ‘football brain’.
Fair enough.
Trim the squad? 3 out 11 in!Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:38 amI’d trim the squad:
Tarks out 25m
Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free
I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons
Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons
Burke in at 5m
Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons
Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons
I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down
I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.
I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.
If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.
That looks like a team preparing for the Championship. How many of those are proven at this level?Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:38 amI’d trim the squad:
Tarks out 25m
Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free
I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons
Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons
Burke in at 5m
Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons
Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons
I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down
I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.
I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.
If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.
Better off with Van Morrison tbhGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:05 amHave I seen someone seriously suggesting Ravel effing Morrison?
The blokes a complete waste of space as a professional footballer![]()
Plus the halftime show will be better
Watkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
And bringing in the like of Ivan Toney who will be worth approx quadruple his transfer fee to themDarthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:44 amWatkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m
Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+
They seem to make awful good profits on their players.
It a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:44 amWatkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m
Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+
They seem to make awful good profits on their players.
They used a tech system mainly, similar to what our lot are planning.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:44 amWatkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m
Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+
They seem to make awful good profits on their players.
Not so sure I agreeDyched wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:57 amIt a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.
Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.
None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.
Fingers crossed ours reaps similar financial rewards.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:04 amThey used a tech system mainly, similar to what our lot are planning.
But Maupay DID go for £20m. Whether he's worth that is anyones guess, but the fact remains they made £18m on him.Dyched wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:57 amIt a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.
Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.
None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.
Just one of the ways of increasing the revenue streams that people can't seem to graspDarthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:16 amBut Maupay DID go for £20m. Whether he's worth that is anyones guess, but the fact remains they made £18m on him.
Comparing directly, would you prefer Benrahma to our other backup wingers? (Ah yeah, we dont have any), Watkins as part of our current strikers (definite yes) and Konsa vs Dunne or Long is certainly a worthwhile debate.
Regardless, the point I'm making is Brentford turned £10m outlay into £77m. If we can do that, not only do the worries about paying debts disappear but our ability to go sign quality players for the squad is vastly improved.
I think quite a few have got the wrong end of the stick on this 'tech that we are planning to use'. It is my understanding that the new tech is to look for and recruit young players who could potentially join the youth setup.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:04 amThey used a tech system mainly, similar to what our lot are planning.
Since we started our first Premier League season (2014/15) under Sean Dyche, Brentford have finished 5th, 9th, 10th, 9th, 11th and 3rd in the Championship. They’ve made profits on players granted. They’ve built a new stadium granted. But at no point have they come close to promotion apart from last season. Only a handful of players they’ve sold have made it in the Premier League and only one (James Tarkowski) has shown he can do it for several years in this league.StTedsOB wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:10 amNot so sure I agree
What Brentford do and have done is pretty impressive.
From that list above we seemed to be interested in buying at least 2 of them and were priced out of the market. They have all had decent starts to their careers in the premier leagues and look to have the qualities to sustain this.
But from a Brentford point of view they have been pushing on the door of promotion for a while and these players who they have bought in cheap made significant contributions over a few years to them doing well in the Championship - which based on their previous history of being in the lower leagues is an achievement in itself for the club.
They have now made huge profits on these players, have a new ground, and continue to do very well on the pitch and look like eventually they will get promoted which again when you look at the teams they are competing with is another huge achievement.
And their recruitment strategy / success seems to be by some distance the single biggest reason they are where they are.
All that said - our recruitment over the last decade ain’t been too shabby either !!
I know Maupay sold for that amount, but that’s with 2 Championship seasons behind him. We were in the Premier League at that time. If we bought him when Brentford did and he never played in the Championship, he wouldn’t have been sold for £20m.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:16 amBut Maupay DID go for £20m. Whether he's worth that is anyones guess, but the fact remains they made £18m on him.
Comparing directly, would you prefer Benrahma to our other backup wingers? (Ah yeah, we dont have any), Watkins as part of our current strikers (definite yes) and Konsa vs Dunne or Long is certainly a worthwhile debate.
Regardless, the point I'm making is Brentford turned £10m outlay into £77m. If we can do that, not only do the worries about paying debts disappear but our ability to go sign quality players for the squad is vastly improved.
1. There is nobody in world football, anywhere, ever that we could afford or would improve our first team or would want to play for us in the Premier League on the paltry 35k a week that we offer.Dyched wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:57 amIt a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.
Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.
None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.
Quality recruits.
If they finished 5th then is that not close to the Premier League ?Dyched wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:25 amSince we started our first Premier League season (2014/15) under Sean Dyche, Brentford have finished 5th, 9th, 10th, 9th, 11th and 3rd in the Championship. They’ve made profits on players granted. They’ve built a new stadium granted. But at no point have they come close to promotion apart from last season. Only a handful of players they’ve sold have made it in the Premier League and only one (James Tarkowski) has shown he can do it for several years in this league.
Their recruitment might look nice but in reality it hasn’t got them anywhere as yet.
'Whatever Brentford have achieved?' Michael Keane is a direct copy of the profit Brentford made with Olly Watkins then they did it again with Benrahma! Two of your examples even show Brentford making a profit!Dyched wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:40 amQuality recruits.
I think Tom Heaton blows away whatever Brentford have ever achieved in the transfer market.
Free, promotion, promotion, England, sold at profit.
Michael Keane
Small fee, Promotion, England sold for a large profit. Again blows away whatever Brentford have ever achieved.
Andre Gray.
Yes Brentford made a profit, but he came here won promotion (Something Brentford haven’t) we sold for profit and he’s gone on to show he isn’t cut out for this level.
James Tarkowski
Yes Brentford made a profit, but he came here England call up, the only actual player Brentford have sold in the past 6 years that has had Premier League longevity.
Look at what Brentford do all you want. Make all the profit you want. The simple facts are we’ve had far, far more money getting in the likes of those listed and players like Arfield, Boyd, Jones, Pope than Brentford can even dream about.
I was highlighting that it’s okay saying how well Brentford are at making profits, but if you’re not achieving anything on the pitch then it’s pretty silly suggesting Burnley should copy the Brentford model. Isn’t it?Darthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:51 am'Whatever Brentford have achieved?' Michael Keane is a direct copy of the profit Brentford made with Olly Watkins then they did it again with Benrahma! Two of your examples even show Brentford making a profit!![]()
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Are you getting confused with transfer profit and performance on the pitch?
Put another way, do you think Dyche in charge of Brentford would have got to the PL? Would BFC have made it to the PL without Dyche? He is the key factor in the performance on the pitch. To then back him up with a quality recruitment side, would be immense.
I'd agree with all that. Finding a centre back good enough to step in and play with Ben Mee straight away is vital. I think we need to be looking to sign an upgrade on Lowton as well, even though he's playing well at the moment.leightonjameslegend wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:44 amPresuming Tarks is off in the Summer and we get a fee for Gibson from Norwich, we need 2 x CB. We will probably be back in for Nathan Collins, but still, need another CB making Long 4th choice again with Dunne leaving or going out on Loan. An RB is also required as Bardsley looks to be off and need someone to push or replace Lows in the first team. If we are lucky that business can all be done with the money we get in for Tarks/Gibson.
We then still need a Winger with pace and I can see Brady going as he is out of contract freeing up a wage.
Would like to see a creative centre mid but just don't think we will have the budget.
Then finally will Vydra be sold to get in a pacy striker who can score? I like Vyds, his movement is brilliant but seems to need too many chances to score.
Think Wood and Jrod will come good again and Barnes is worth keeping for how he unsettles the opposition.
All in all, I make the minimum INS = 5 / OUTS = 6 +
Not holding my breath but we have one hell of a busy summer coming up!
Ben Mee is our best paid player on £55k.
I've posted similar before, but we're not comparable with Brentford. They are an established Championship-level club who can afford to throw a number of young and unproven players into their side in order to gain experience at that level. The successful ones are then sold to Premier League sides at a substantial profit.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:51 am'Whatever Brentford have achieved?' Michael Keane is a direct copy of the profit Brentford made with Olly Watkins then they did it again with Benrahma! Two of your examples even show Brentford making a profit!![]()
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Are you getting confused with transfer profit and performance on the pitch?
Put another way, do you think Dyche in charge of Brentford would have got to the PL? Would BFC have made it to the PL without Dyche? He is the key factor in the performance on the pitch. To then back him up with a quality recruitment side, would be immense.
Barnes out for 1 million ? Has he only got 20 minutes left on his contract ?Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:38 amI’d trim the squad:
Tarks out 25m
Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free
I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons
Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons
Burke in at 5m
Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons
Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons
I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down
I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.
I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.
If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.