Is it just me

[Jakubclaret]

I’m still waiting....it’s a good job I don’t have to hold my breath

[Jakubclaret]

Right , so we are agreed Dyche never said he rested any player on Tuesday because of scientific advice .
Whether he takes on such advice is another matter entirely and irrelevant to that match.
I may not be a football manager but unlike some people I don’t go around inventing scenarios that I don’t know existed or not.

Never let facts become an inconvenient obstacle, always remember that please.

[Stalbansclaret]

Complete fabricated nonsense, scientists! in today’s modern era simple apps on a phone or a Fitbit watch can tell you what you need to know. Nobody as yet to explain how older people can successfully scale Everest without the sort of the rest footballers get but kicking a ball about once or twice a week competitively is far more draining than climbing mountains.

This is a barmy comment. Last time I watched mountaineers ascending peaks they were doing so without people wearing studded boots hacking at their ankles or kneeing and elbowing them and were not repeatedly sprinting. It's a completely different thing with totally different strains and exertions on different parts of the body. I'm not a sports scientist so don't pretend to have any expertise but I do know that even at my humble level I was always fresher for a game of football when I had had a few days off as opposed to when I had played 2 or 3 days earlier. In a professional sports league where we need everyone playing at the peak of their physical ability it's pretty obvious that there is a benefit to rotating and resting players. I mean why do you think all top football managers do this ?

[Rileybobs]

I’m still waiting....it’s a good job I don’t have to hold my breath

It's completely futile attempting to have a sensible conversation with you about any topic, but comparing the physical demands of mountaineering and playing football is way off the ridiculousness charts, even by your standards. It was HGV drivers last week wasn't it? I suspect those two reasons are why nobody has bothered to attempt to explain to you how uninformed your comments are.

[Jakubclaret]

This is a barmy comment. Last time I watched mountaineers ascending peaks they were doing so without people wearing studded boots hacking at their ankles or kneeing and elbowing them and were not repeatedly sprinting. It's a completely different thing with totally different strains and exertions on different parts of the body. I'm not a sports scientist so don't pretend to have any expertise but I do know that even at my humble level I was always fresher for a game of football when I had had a few days off as opposed to when I had played 2 or 3 days earlier. In a professional sports league where we need everyone playing at the peak of their physical ability it's pretty obvious that there is a benefit to rotating and resting players. I mean why do you think all top football managers do this ?

True, I’m not disputing that point you are right regarding the rotation, that’s exactly what squads are there for, the crux appears to be could a near enough full strength team played whether just for 45 & still recovered in time for Saturday, bear in mind it’s not a full 90 I’m suggesting also the best part of a week loomed ahead after, we are talking about people in there 20s & early 30s, it’s not a saga holiday outing the people aren’t old or sick, it’s grossly exaggerated the physical exertions required & the recovery periods, understandable if we were talking about people post 40 going for hours & hours hammer & tong.

[Jakubclaret]

It's completely futile attempting to have a sensible conversation with you about any topic, but comparing the physical demands of mountaineering and playing football is way off the ridiculousness charts, even by your standards. It was HGV drivers last week wasn't it? I suspect those two reasons are why nobody has bothered to attempt to explain to you how uninformed your comments are.

Yes, HGV drivers under performing experiencing no impact, the RTA officers & paramedics & motorist casualties might just have a odd thing or 2 to say about that the fortunate 1s still alive

[Grumps]

It's completely futile attempting to have a sensible conversation with you about any topic, but comparing the physical demands of mountaineering and playing football is way off the ridiculousness charts, even by your standards. It was HGV drivers last week wasn't it? I suspect those two reasons are why nobody has bothered to attempt to explain to you how uninformed your comments are.

He goes one better, likening it to a saga holiday now

[TheFamilyCat]

I ❤ Jakubclaret.

[Elizabeth]

Iam sure he takes their advice for every game... Including Tuesday night... Are you suggesting he doesn't?

I think you are better simply sticking to your opinion that the FA Cup means nothing to you.
You remind me of the person who sets of on a journey to a place he knows how to get to but on the way ,because he has plenty of time on his hands, takes a path he hasn’t been on before to see where it might take him and then gets lost

[Grumps]

I think you are better simply sticking to your opinion that the FA Cup means nothing to you.
You remind me of the person who sets of on a journey to a place he knows how to get to but on the way ,because he has plenty of time on his hands, takes a path he hasn’t been on before to see where it might take him and then gets lost

So no answer then?

... Of a journey?... If only I knew what it was you are trying to say, instead of trying to look clever, when quite clearly you are not clever enough to pull it off, just get to the point.

[Elizabeth]

I’ve tried the academic approach , I don’t want to be cutting or sarcastic so I’ll be blunt.
You haven’t got a clue what scientific advice Dyche was given before the game

[Grumps]

I’ve tried the academic approach , I don’t want to be cutting or sarcastic so I’ll be blunt.
You haven’t got a clue what scientific advice Dyche was given before the game

I've never said I had.....

I'll ask again, just in case you want to answer..... Do you think he did take advice off the science / fitness teams prior to team selection..... Yes or no?

[JTClaret]

To be honest, I wasn't surprised. Although I also wouldn't have been surprised if we'd have got to the final during a time we can't go and watch haha

[Elizabeth]

You really have taken the wrong turning if you think your question is relevant in the poor performance on Tuesday .
Start a thread on the influence of scientific advice on managers in sport and I’ll happily discuss

[Grumps]

You really have taken the wrong turning if you think your question is relevant in the poor performance on Tuesday .
Start a thread on the influence of scientific advice on managers in sport and I’ll happily discuss

Discuss or preach
Answer or not answer

[Jakubclaret]

I’ve tried the academic approach , I don’t want to be cutting or sarcastic so I’ll be blunt.
You haven’t got a clue what scientific advice Dyche was given before the game

Precisely nobody knows but there’s a steadfast presumption that SD is harvesting information from the employed sport scientists??? at a time when cash is tighter than ever just leaving the last window with no significant incomings.

[Grumps]

Precisely nobody knows but there’s a steadfast presumption that SD is harvesting information from the employed sport scientists??? at a time when cash is tighter than ever just leaving the last window with no significant incomings.

I know I shouldn't, and I know I'll regret it, but I'll ask anyway

What in heavens name has cash got to do with dyche speaking to one of the biggest departments within the football club? Set up by that manager?

I've seen the two best managers in the world working daily with, and taking advice from, the same departments at their football club, why would ours be any different, in fact it would be criminal if he didn't.......

[Devils_Advocate]

Grumps & Jakub - a battle of this messageboard's finest minds

[Grumps]

Grumps & Jakub - a battle of this messageboard's finest minds

Thanks for your as ever useful intervention..... Now run along and make the tea or something useful

[Jakubclaret]

I know I shouldn't, and I know I'll regret it, but I'll ask anyway

What in heavens name has cash got to do with dyche speaking to one of the biggest departments within the football club? Set up by that manager?

I've seen the two best managers in the world working daily with, and taking advice from, the same departments at their football club, why would ours be any different, in fact it would be criminal if he didn't.......

I think you are getting a little carried away after seeing these documentaries & watching Jose & pep & city & Spurs setups, we might play in the same league as them 2 but trust me in terms of finances & infrastructure it’s a completely different league, you are mistakenly trying to align whatever happens there to here. Don’t believe everything you see or hear it doesn’t necessarily synchronise with reality certainly not here anyhow.

[Grumps]

I think you are getting a little carried away after seeing these documentaries & watching Jose & pep & city & Spurs setups, we might play in the same league as them 2 but trust me in terms of finances & infrastructure it’s a completely different league, you are mistakenly trying to align whatever happens there to here. Don’t believe everything you see or hear it doesn’t necessarily synchronise with reality certainly not here anyhow.

Are you saying we don't have a sports science and fitness department, along with fitness analysts?

[Jakubclaret]

Are you saying we don't have a sports science and fitness department, along with fitness analysts?

We probably have a gym in the training complex & people in the know regarding health & nutrition of course, I doubt it will be on the same scale as city or Spurs as the examples from the documentaries you fervently believe in.

[Grumps]

We probably have a gym in the training complex & people in the know regarding health & nutrition of course, I doubt it will be on the same scale as city or Spurs as the examples from the documentaries you fervently believe in.

You really live in a strange world

If you actually watched the games, or, God forbid attended the games, you'd see how big these departments you say don't exist actually are.....

[TheFamilyCat]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/s ... promotion/

[Grumps]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/s ... promotion/

Thanks...... Imagine how much its improved since the new facilities were open.

[boatshed bill]

You really live in a strange world

If you actually watched the games, or, God forbid attended the games, you'd see how big these departments you say don't exist actually are.....

Grumps,
Do you try for an argument a day?
Now, I respect that you have your own opinion...to which you are welcome,
but linking a posters attendance to games to whether or not we have sports scientist working at the club really is pushing it

[Espia]

For me me the acid test is that I have zero excitement about tomorrow's game against Palace. Whereas a qf appearance with chance of making it through to the SFs would have me dreaming everyday. Draw your own conclusion.

[Grumps]

Grumps,
Do you try for an argument a day?
Now, I respect that you have your own opinion...to which you are welcome,
but linking a posters attendance to games to whether or not we have sports scientist working at the club really is pushing it

I don't post on here every day, far from it

Attending the game you can see the size of the depts.... They walk accross the pitch, and sit around the dug out, or in the stands... So not pushing it one little bit, is it?

[boatshed bill]

I don't post on here every day, far from it

Attending the game you can see the size of the depts.... They walk accross the pitch, and sit around the dug out, or in the stands... So not pushing it one little bit, is it?

Well, they can be seen both on TV and, if one cares enough, lots of them are on the squad lists.

Actually, I apologise. It seems they have been removed from the squad lists.

[Jakubclaret]

I think some people are actually confusing sports scientists with physiotherapists, the physiotherapists (decent ones) actually do earn their corn in prevention advice & treatment & an array of duties which the job remit will dictate, sport scientists on the other hand talk a load of mumbo jumbo convincingly & charge the clubs a fortune for just basic common sense suggestions, so & so foot feels like it’s heavy with lead attached, well why don’t we suggest some lighter footwear with spongier insoles that kind of thing.

[boatshed bill]

I think some people are actually confusing sports scientists with physiotherapists, the physiotherapists (decent ones) actually do earn their corn in prevention advice & treatment & an array of duties which the job remit will dictate, sport scientists on the other hand talk a load of mumbo jumbo convincingly & charge the clubs a fortune for just basic common sense suggestions, so & so foot feels like it’s heavy with lead attached, well why don’t we suggest some lighter footwear with spongier insoles that kind of thing.

Conditioning experts, performance analysts, the club has all of these, I'm sure they have them for the 3 teams (or did).

[Jakubclaret]

Conditioning experts, performance analysts, the club has all of these, I'm sure they have them for the 3 teams (or did).

What did too many cooks do to the broth? It’s a rhetorical question, like I said in a earlier post with the smartphone apps & the new Fitbit watches you could save a fortune just by buying everybody 1 of them, there you go & analyse the findings from the individual devices, there probably already do that or something similar some clubs will.

[tiger76]

For me me the acid test is that I have zero excitement about tomorrow's game against Palace. Whereas a qf appearance with chance of making it through to the SFs would have me dreaming everyday. Draw your own conclusion.

I can fully understand that viewpoint, however what's gone has gone regarding the cup this year, so we just have to crack on in the league now, and try and finish as high as we can, I'm frustrated as well, but we just have to move on I'm afraid, and hopefully have the type of run we enjoyed at the end of last season, we at least owe that much to the fans now, after blowing a golden chance of glory.

[boatshed bill]

What did too many cooks do to the broth? It’s a rhetorical question, like I said in a earlier post with the smartphone apps & the new Fitbit watches you could save a fortune just by buying everybody 1 of them, there you go & analyse the findings from the individual devices, there probably already do that or something similar some clubs will.

I know precious little about it, except that all top clubs employ them.

[TheFamilyCat]

Science = mumbo jumbo.

There's nothing more to say.

[3putt]

Nah , can think of many more games where I’ve been much more down for days after.
Off the top of my head , the away game at Crewe near the end of the season we nearly went out of the football league is one of those .
I went on that match and we were so awful and so easily beaten I felt for many days that there was no way that side would survive . But we did!

I also had the misfortune to witness that defeat, had managed to ban ish from memory until now but certainly was a humiliating one, I remember going expecting an away win for us for some reason

[Jakubclaret]

I know precious little about it, except that all top clubs employ them.

https://newsportfuture.com/sports-science/

Quite critical on slow evolution detailed article attached.

[Rileybobs]

https://newsportfuture.com/sports-science/

Quite critical on slow evolution detailed article attached.

Weird that. It’s almost like you’ve typed in the words ‘sports science wrong’ into google and copied a link to the first search result. That’s a bit embarrassing.

[Jakubclaret]

Weird that. It’s almost like you’ve typed in the words ‘sports science wrong’ into google and copied a link to the first search result. That’s a bit embarrassing.

Nope, I could easily spend all night posting articles which support my viewpoint, I’ll let you carry on believing that tired HGV drivers on the M1 nearly falling asleep behind the wheel cause no impact when accidents happen.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Lots of talk about scientists but surely let us all agree that players need rest if they are to perform at their best. The many injuries in the PL this season show it is a weird year. Players get fatigued by playing - the key is to choose which matches those should be.

So the real issue is that if we as fans really care about the FA Cup, and the club don’t care about winning it, by extension that means they don’t really care about us. Just the competitions that fatten wallets. Which is fine if we aim to win one, but not if we just aspire to finish 17th.

As others have said, I expected to lose because I expected no effort, but what I’ve spent my life not expecting is that gradual dribbling away of a desire to go and spend my money watching the Clarets. That’s what has angered me the most, because it is all so stupidly avoidable. The irony is that when, yes, when, we go down and start taking the Cup seriously again, we’ll then be so weak we cannot win it.

[Rileybobs]

Nope, I could easily spend all night posting articles which support my viewpoint, I’ll let you carry on believing that tired HGV drivers on the M1 nearly falling asleep behind the wheel cause no impact when accidents happen.

Yes. Because that’s really what I said. Give it up mate. You’re talking cobblers.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We probably have a gym in the training complex & people in the know regarding health & nutrition of course, I doubt it will be on the same scale as city or Spurs as the examples from the documentaries you fervently believe in.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-howard-11838a44

Head of Burnley Fc's Sports Science, joined us in 2013.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/tom-short-6457637a

1st team strength and conditioning coach, joined us in 2013

https://trainingground.guru/staff-profi ... f-profiles

Better link showing more of the back team staff, Inc nutritionist.


Whilst we won't have a group the size of City etc, we do have experts in their respective fields when it comes to Sports science etc.

Its amazing what you can find if you Google something really simple like Burnley Fc sports science....

[Jakubclaret]

Yes. Because that’s really what I said. Give it up mate. You’re talking cobblers.

It’s pretty common knowledge that it takes players 48-72 hours for their bodies to recover after a match. Footballer’s bodies get fatigued, to argue otherwise is nonsense. Why do you think managers complain about fixture congestion, or the opposition having an extra day’s rest between games?

Your comparison with a removals driver is ridiculous. If they’re tired they can stop off for an extra coffee break, or unload less boxes at a time, or work a little slower. Their performance is unlikely to be impacted by their tiredness.

Last sentence!

[Rileybobs]

Last sentence!

Do you have any understanding of context?

That may as well be a rhetorical question.

[Grumps]

Grumps,
Do you try for an argument a day?
Now, I respect that you have your own opinion...to which you are welcome,
but linking a posters attendance to games to whether or not we have sports scientist working at the club really is pushing it

Having posted this, you then go and have exactly the same argument, with the same poster. You couldn't make it up!!

Thanks to the other posters who managed to argue the point far better than I could, though I do think Jackub will be waking up this morning still believing that those depts don't exist at BFC.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Nope, I could easily spend all night posting articles which support my viewpoint, I’ll let you carry on believing that tired HGV drivers on the M1 nearly falling asleep behind the wheel cause no impact when accidents happen.

Eh?

Lorry drivers are limited in the number of hours they can drive to avoid fatigue.
That's a legal requirement....

[Jakubclaret]

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-howard-11838a44

Head of Burnley Fc's Sports Science, joined us in 2013.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/tom-short-6457637a

1st team strength and conditioning coach, joined us in 2013

https://trainingground.guru/staff-profi ... f-profiles

Better link showing more of the back team staff, Inc nutritionist.


Whilst we won't have a group the size of City etc, we do have experts in their respective fields when it comes to Sports science etc.

Its amazing what you can find if you Google something really simple like Burnley Fc sports science....

I agree 100% & thanks for that information the links provided to gain access I’d have to join LinkedIn, I’ve never disputed any of this I know the club employ people involved with that side of things, what I was disputing & still am to be fair is that just because somebody has seen a couple of impressive behind the scenes documentaries featuring Man City & Spurs the notion seems to exist that that’s what happens here on the same scale, you even agree with me “whilst we won’t have a group the size of City etc,” I’m thinking of watching some Barcelona DVDs but I’m pretty sure what happens there won’t happen here, unlike some I’m capable of separating the 2.

[Jakubclaret]

Eh?

Lorry drivers are limited in the number of hours they can drive to avoid fatigue.
That's a legal requirement....

I know that, but despite this due to tight schedules & unforeseen delays & circumstances it’s not unheard of drivers skipping certain legal requirements in order to meet targets & unfortunately a perfect storm can exist thus resulting in tragic accidents.

[Grumps]

I agree 100% & thanks for that information the links provided to gain access I’d have to join LinkedIn, I’ve never disputed any of this I know the club employ people involved with that side of things, what I was disputing & still am to be fair is that just because somebody has seen a couple of impressive behind the scenes documentaries featuring Man City & Spurs the notion seems to exist that that’s what happens here on the same scale, you even agree with me “whilst we won’t have a group the size of City etc,” I’m thinking of watching some Barcelona DVDs but I’m pretty sure what happens there won’t happen here, unlike some I’m capable of separating the 2.

I think your quote below contridicts that you know the club employ sports scientists as suggested above


"we probably have a gym in the training complex & people in the know regarding health & nutrition of course" .

[Jakubclaret]

I think your quote below contridicts that you know the club employ sports scientists as suggested above


"we probably have a gym in the training complex & people in the know regarding health & nutrition of course" .

It just wasn’t a detailed response highlighting quite frankly the back end of a fart, I don’t know the exact numbers of employees dealing with the fitness side of things, why would I? I’m a fan supporter of the club I’m not engaged working for the club.