An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:18 am
With Zaha joining a growing number of players against taking the knee, will we soon see the end of it ?
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An end to taking the Knee ?
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Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:23 am
it does appear to be heading in that direction
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:25 am
Please be true...its become a chore for everyone
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:28 am
The issue needs to be kept very much alive, but other means of doing so are needed now. After a while any gesture, however potent at the outset, becomes routinised and loses its impact. Taking the knee has probably reached that point now, so something different is required.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:29 am
Taking 2 knee's maybe?Erasmus wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:28 amThe issue needs to be kept very much alive, but other means of doing so are needed now. After a while any gesture, however potent at the outset, becomes routinised and loses its impact. Taking the knee has probably reached that point now, so something different is required.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:31 am
How it should be as when the players dont feel its having the impact they want then they are the ones who should make the call to end it.
Guess it shows how wrong those idiots were who said it was being forced on players and who felt their feelings and not the players should dictate whether it should continue or stop.
The problem hasn't gone away so lets hope football can find a new and fresh vehicle for keeping this high on the agenda and continuing to make those all lives matter goons feel uncomfortable
Guess it shows how wrong those idiots were who said it was being forced on players and who felt their feelings and not the players should dictate whether it should continue or stop.
The problem hasn't gone away so lets hope football can find a new and fresh vehicle for keeping this high on the agenda and continuing to make those all lives matter goons feel uncomfortable
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:40 am
I believe that Bournemouth are sacking it too.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:52 am
In fairness Zaha spends the whole 90 minutes taking the knee...
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:05 am
They should’ve stopped it after the first weekend, when it was done for the first time, it sent a really powerful message. Now its just routine just protocol
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:07 am
What happens if the team kicking off dont want to take a knee and the other team do? Could you take a quick kick off and slalom through the kneeling team towards goal?
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:08 am
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:10 am
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:11 am
Well done to the players who have spoken out on the problem.
Lyle Taylor and Wilfred Zaha have joined the club of those who are publicly against this stupid, politically charged American gesture.
Hopefully more and more players will feel confident to refuse to be bullied into it.
Lyle Taylor and Wilfred Zaha have joined the club of those who are publicly against this stupid, politically charged American gesture.
Hopefully more and more players will feel confident to refuse to be bullied into it.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:12 am
I think it’s all about education, which needs to start in school, I called my music teacher a n****r at primary school because she had fallen asleep in the sun and burnt, I think I was throughly 8/9 and I’d heard a bloke use the word in the 110 club before a game and everyone in the group had laughed so I thought it was a joke.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:31 amHow it should be as when the players dont feel its having the impact they want then they are the ones who should make the call to end it.
Guess it shows how wrong those idiots were who said it was being forced on players and who felt their feelings and not the players should dictate whether it should continue or stop.
The problem hasn't gone away so lets hope football can find a new and fresh vehicle for keeping this high on the agenda and continuing to make those all lives matter goons feel uncomfortable
Whilst I knew I shouldn’t have said it I had no idea why at the time, rather than exclude me the head master sat me down for an hour and talked me through the origins of the slave trade and and racism, it was really powerful as I remember it so vividly and the picture on the wall in his office showing slaves being traded off a ship.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:19 am
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:21 am
There is a train of thought that it has had a negative impact on race relations, with it's connections to a deified convict.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:23 am
This is around about when this thread gets pulledten bellies wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:21 amThere is a train of thought that it has had a negative impact on race relations, with it's connections to a deified convict.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:29 am
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:32 am
Time to end this. It’s a very stale gesture now.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:33 am
It looks like they are giving the knee the elbow..
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:39 am
Thank god it takes me till half time to get up off the carpet these days
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:40 am
People and players are still getting racially abused.
Maybe if people more effort into doing something about that, than moaning about a symbolic gesture then we might get somewhere.
Maybe if people more effort into doing something about that, than moaning about a symbolic gesture then we might get somewhere.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:44 am
And probably sending out a more powerful message about equality whilst creating unity on our own lands.Rowls wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:11 amWell done to the players who have spoken out on the problem.
Lyle Taylor and Wilfred Zaha have joined the club of those who are publicly against this stupid, politically charged American gesture.
Hopefully more and more players will feel confident to refuse to be bullied into it.
It gets far more publicity too.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:48 am
Seeing a big black bloke with Black Lives Matter on his shirt is a bit 'Paddington Bear', to say the least.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:50 am
Would love it to continue just because of how much it triggers the snowflakes.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:55 am
I'd love to see one team do it, and the other not do it, for no other reason than to see how the comentator would cover it.
On another point, how long are sky going to have the black lives matter logo after 8 mins if everything else stops
On another point, how long are sky going to have the black lives matter logo after 8 mins if everything else stops
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:05 pm
What an uneducated and puerile thing to say.
You're happy to see an extremist organisation given publicity and legitimacy and you're happy for black victimhood to be perpetuated because you find the response to it amusing?
It's like being happy for the BNP to proliferate because you enjoy lively debates.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:12 pm
Didn't Debbie Harry sing a song about Taking the Knee ... Oh the knee, the knee, I'm so in love with you the knee .. and so on ..
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 pm
What an uneducated and puerile thing to say.Rowls wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:05 pmYou're happy to see an extremist organisation given publicity and legitimacy and you're happy for black victimhood to be perpetuated because you find the response to it amusing?
It's like being happy for the BNP to proliferate because you enjoy lively debates.
Liking the wider BLM movement to a small subset movement (who actually get no publicity apart from the people like you who use them as a stick to beat the BLM fight against racism) is like linking the everyday use of the St Georges flag to the far right nationalist party's who used it as a symbol for their racist ideological movement
If you're happy to give publicity and legitimacy to far right political party's then you keep using the St Georges flag
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:15 pm
Happily for me, you're not worth engaging on any serious matter DA. I'm grateful you opted for such a transparent username to highlight the reasons why.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 pmWhat an uneducated and puerile thing to say.
Liking the wider BLM movement to a small subset movement (who actually get no publicity apart from the people like you who use them as a stick to beat the BLM fight against racism) is like linking the everyday use of the St Georges flag to the far right nationalist party's who used it as a symbol for their ideological movement
If you're happy to give publicity and legitimacy to far right political party's then you keep using the St Georges flag
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:15 pm
edit - duplicate, removed
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:17 pm
Here we go, I’m surprised it’s taken that long to be fair.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:18 pm
More like they are scared of the reaction from the stands so they are knocking it on the head before they start to come back in.
Cowards imo.
Cowards imo.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:18 pm
Be difficult for us as a club to bin it off... the same old stale and stereotypical accusations would follow...
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 pm
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 pm
There might be a large degree of this too. Which is only sensible really.ClaretMoffitt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:18 pmMore like they are scared of the reaction from the stands so they are knocking it on the head before they start to come back in.
Cowards imo.
The best thing for them to do would be to admit it was a mistake to import American politics into football and a even bigger mistake to endorse the BLM movement.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:20 pm
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 pmGood I had no intention of engaging but just wanted to highlight how flawed your post was in its thinking and what a bad faith position you are taking with it.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:31 pm
fat chance of that.
They know full well that BLM is a pro-communist political movement with anarchist ranks but they pretend that reality doesnt exist and its all purely an anti-racist symbol. As if the whole of June and July never even happened. To even breath a word about their attacks on statues in the summer or the battering of police is pounced upon as "giving legitimacy to racists" and the debate ends there, dead.
They got a chance to ram it down the working classes throats for 6 months with no pushback (as no crowds) but now they know their little stunt is over because the minute they let the crowds back in, their image they like to broadcast would come crashing down.
So they will quietly shuffle it out through the back door over the next few weeks/months, get rid of it in time for the fans to come back, then spend the next 2 years talking about how big of a success its been.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:33 pm
If I remember rightly there was no certainty that clubs would do it more than once, but Burnley were the first PL team to play a second game after lockdown and it was certain they would take a knee because of the banner over the ground in the first game. And then after Burnley had done it a second time, so did everyone else, and it because the norm.claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:05 amThey should’ve stopped it after the first weekend, when it was done for the first time, it sent a really powerful message. Now its just routine just protocol
Anyone else remember if that's how it was?
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:33 pm
Football Forums should try to avoid overtly motivated posting opinions that just deteriorate into political point scoring.
'Taking The Knee' originating from BLM is a political gesture approved by the EPL and its original effect is being really diminished by over usage. It would make more sense for it to be currently acknowledged with a greater audience too, only at national sporting events. One surely can't deny this subject's right to be 'aired' without having comparisons made to extreme political groups.
'Taking The Knee' originating from BLM is a political gesture approved by the EPL and its original effect is being really diminished by over usage. It would make more sense for it to be currently acknowledged with a greater audience too, only at national sporting events. One surely can't deny this subject's right to be 'aired' without having comparisons made to extreme political groups.
Re: An end to taking the Knee ?
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:39 pm
On one hand I don’t get why football feels it has to be the purveyor of morality, just get on with the game and leave the BLM, minutes silences and poppy fetishism out of the game.
On the other hand football seems to have a bigger problem with racist idiots than most other sports or pastimes
On the other hand football seems to have a bigger problem with racist idiots than most other sports or pastimes