Is it time to cash in on the players we can sell and rebuild in the summer?

Tarky 35m
Pope 35m
Wood 15m (if he nets a few when he comes back.)
Vydra 8m (will never suit a Dyche team)

100m or so to spend.
Try and get a forward like Watkins who can play the front line on his own.
This will enable us to play/buy a creative midfielder.

Keepers are pretty cheap but Norris looked alright and BPF must be primed for it by now.

Centre half should be the easiest area for Dyche to recruit. The one position he specializes in.

The only other players I feel could command a fee are Taylor and McNeil, but both have decent contract length
and haven't had their best seasons to to get the best price.

I expect quite a few young players to come in to bolster the squad.

We would get relegated if they all left in the one window that is for sure. Also not a cat in hells chance we'd spend even half of any potential incomings. This is Burnley we're talking about

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:52 pm

Is it time to cash in on the players we can sell and rebuild in the summer?

Tarky 35m
Pope 35m
Wood 15m (if he nets a few when he comes back.)
Vydra 8m (will never suit a Dyche team)

100m or so to spend.
Try and get a forward like Watkins who can play the front line on his own.
This will enable us to play/buy a creative midfielder.

Keepers are pretty cheap but Norris looked alright and BPF must be primed for it by now.

Centre half should be the easiest area for Dyche to recruit. The one position he specializes in.

The only other players I feel could command a fee are Taylor and McNeil, but both have decent contract length
and haven't had their best seasons to to get the best price.

I expect quite a few young players to come in to bolster the squad.

Gibson?

How much do you think it would cost to replace them? And do some people think players are chips to be ‘cashed in’? And why cash in even if we spent all the money? What would we get in place? Almost certainly inferior. Every possible effort must be made to keep them all. Beg, plead and cajole Pope, Tarkowski etc to stay.
This approach is only any use if you believe the club is just in it to make money, which, last I heard, is not what football is supposed to be about.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:52 pm

Is it time to cash in on the players we can sell and rebuild in the summer?

Tarky 35m
Pope 35m
Wood 15m (if he nets a few when he comes back.)
Vydra 8m (will never suit a Dyche team)

100m or so to spend.
Try and get a forward like Watkins who can play the front line on his own.
This will enable us to play/buy a creative midfielder.

Keepers are pretty cheap but Norris looked alright and BPF must be primed for it by now.

Centre half should be the easiest area for Dyche to recruit. The one position he specializes in.

The only other players I feel could command a fee are Taylor and McNeil, but both have decent contract length
and haven't had their best seasons to to get the best price.

I expect quite a few young players to come in to bolster the squad.

Are you quite mad??? You have just suggested offloading most of our team. For the money! If we did what you suggest we would wind up struggling in the Championship.

Pope, Tarkowski and Mee are absolutely pivotal to the side. We know Tarkowski is almost certainly going this summer, so I'd say it's vitally important to keep Pope.

Brady and Bardsley will go, Tarkowski and Gibson will fetch a bit of money. Wouldn't be surprised if another couple (Vydra probably being one) left too.

Hopefully that'll give enough to bring in the 4/5 players we will need (and probably not get) this summer.

Tarks and Pope could command fees where we will be required to sell. But why on earth would you sell our best striker and biggest goal threat for £15m?

Surely a wind up

If we sold all we would be in big trouble.
I expect some sales though as the new owners have no money by the looks of it. So it’s borrowing more or this.
We’ve a bigger rebuilding job than ever due to past failures in windows. Before the club had some money but Garlick was unwilling to spend it. That now sits in his and JB’s pockets. Now the club has no money, in fact debt, but will probably be willing to borrow more to strengthen the squad. Will this be enough and where will it leave the club ? I expect when the Americans have had enough the club will be sold will debt.

Let’s sell the handful of players we own who haven’t yet reached 30.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:21 pm

Surely a wind up

It's asking for your opinions.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:20 pm

Tarks and Pope could command fees where we will be required to sell. But why on earth would you sell our best striker and biggest goal threat for £15m?

I would sell all 4 forwards if we got decent fees but I don't think we will for Barnes or Jay Rod unfortunately.

I personally think we need someone mobile upfront and this will probably the last season of us getting a fee for him.
You don't have to agree but that's my reasoning.

Think everyone accepts Tarks will be gone, Pope needs to be kept as does Wood. If someone offered us 8m for Vydra I imagine the club would as a gesture give them 1m back to make sure the deal went through.

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 pm

Let’s sell the handful of players we own who haven’t yet reached 30.

We have come to this stage as we have too many older players who won't command a fee.

I think the new owners will get us back in the habit of selling players and re investing.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:52 pm

Think everyone accepts Tarks will be gone, Pope needs to be kept as does Wood. If someone offered us 8m for Vydra I imagine the club would as a gesture give them 1m back to make sure the deal went through.

Will just Tarks going raise enough money to improve the squad that's so short on numbers?

Not a chance we’ll get near 35 million for Tarks

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:57 pm

Will just Tarks going raise enough money to improve the squad that's so short on numbers?

We are probably going to need 5 - 6 signings. The squad looks way short at minute due to a few things, the actual size of the squad, plus the injuries and also the number of subs. When it was 7 subs we would normally have 1 or 2 who wouldn't really be ideal but if you have 5 subs that are decent nobody minded. We currently are permitted 9 subs so automatically our bench would look weak, we will never have a squad in this division where we have 9 strong subs we can't afford that on our turnover whoever is running the club. Go back to Saturdays game and use the same starting 11 but the bench is Peacock Farrell, Pieters, Wood, Barnes, JGB, Brady, Bardsley, Benson and Long and most would be happy, it just turns out 5 of those are injured at the same time. Would be nice to return to 7 subs again next season a stupid rule which all it does it help the mega backed clubs to have even stronger benches with more options.

Every club is currently running with more injuries than normal but next season will be more in tune with normal seasons. 3 - 4 starting 11 signings and a couple of squad signings would be plenty, but these players have to be found.

Could we replace Tarky with Gibson?

houseboy wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:13 pm

How much do you think it would cost to replace them? And do some people think players are chips to be ‘cashed in’? And why cash in even if we spent all the money? What would we get in place? Almost certainly inferior. Every possible effort must be made to keep them all. Beg, plead and cajole Pope, Tarkowski etc to stay.
This approach is only any use if you believe the club is just in it to make money, which, last I heard, is not what football is supposed to be about.

100% agree

Les Lawrence wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:08 pm

Could we replace Tarky with Gibson?

The fee is agreed with Norwich if they get promoted.

He seems to be happy on the South East coast.

DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:58 pm

We would get relegated if they all left in the one window that is for sure. Also not a cat in hells chance we'd spend even half of any potential incomings. This is Burnley we're talking about

I agree, but it looks like Tarkowski might choose to leave , Vydra yep time too look elsewhere for him . Nick Pope keep as long as you can ,Wood leads the line well and like all the other strikers we have at the moment suffers from a lack of quality service.Whilst admiring financial caution Its time the club put their hand in their pocket but not by selling to that extent

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:20 pm

The fee is agreed with Norwich if they get promoted.

He seems to be happy on the South East coast.

So he’s not living too near Norwich then?

Just about to say. The coastline is eroding quicker than we thought if Norwich is on the south east coast

I thought Margate Utd had put a bid in for a moment

BenWickes wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:46 pm

Just about to say. The coastline is eroding quicker than we thought if Norwich is on the south east coast

It's only 20 minute drive from the coast. Good enough for me.

So we will replace Tarky with someone who will cost more than we sell Gibson for.Why don't we just keep Gibson ?

Gibson was a serious error in the Joe Hart and Drinky mould
He never gave anything in the games he played in and got snotty in training
Get what we are owed from Norwich £8m and move on

Get 8 million and then pay 10 -12 million for Collins,Worrell,Fry etc.Seems to have settled in well at Norwich.Another Vossen I suppose who didn't gel with Dyche

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:29 pm

Gibson was a serious error in the Joe Hart and Drinky mould
He never gave anything in the games he played in and got snotty in training
Get what we are owed from Norwich £8m and move on

Drinkwater was a Garlick decision to sign.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:38 pm

Drinkwater was a Garlick decision to sign.

How do you know that Sid?

I would personally drive Chris Wood to any club if we got even half of our money back.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:51 pm

I would personally drive Chris Wood to any club if we got even half of our money back.

You'd sell the best striker at the club (by some distance) for half of what we payed? Glad you're not making the decisions

Well I guess it would pay off the debt !!!

Les Lawrence wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:08 pm

Could we replace Tarky with Gibson?

NO in a word, The back four would then have Mee, Gibson and Taylor none of whom can kick a ball with their right foot. We are already weak on the right hand side from front to back even though Lowton has played well recently. If Tarkowski goes we need a right sided centre back of similar quality to replace him.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:46 pm

How do you know that Sid?

It has been said on here a few times and is apparently the root cause of the collapse in the relationship between Garlick and Dyche.

It would make sense considering Dyche's no d/head rule.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:51 pm

I would personally drive Chris Wood to any club if we got even half of our money back.

I thought I was the only one that had that opinion

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:51 pm

I would personally drive Chris Wood to any club if we got even half of our money back.

I thought I was the only one that had that opinion

matttheclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:00 pm

You'd sell the best striker at the club (by some distance) for half of what we payed? Glad you're not making the decisions

The fact he is the 'best striker at the club (by some distance)' is down to those making the decisions.

I think it's more that he's better than Barnes, Jay Rod and Vydra

matttheclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:45 pm

I think it's more that he's better than Barnes, Jay Rod and Vydra

Do you think any other premier league club would pay a fee for any of them?

I would replace all of them to be honest, but Wood especially.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:51 pm

Do you think any other premier league club would pay a fee for any of them?

Maybe not. I certainly wouldn't sell Wood though just because nobody would take any of the other three.

In an ideal world, we'd replace two of Barnes, Rodriguez and Vydra. I think Vydra will probably go (probably to a different league). For me, a striker is right at the top of the list of priorities as far as strengthening this summer goes

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 pm

Let’s sell the handful of players we own who haven’t yet reached 30.

It's highly unlikely we will be able to sell any of the multitude of players who already over 30

I'm really not sure who would want to buy these players. Tarkowski I could see in another mid-table PL side and he will probably go, he very obviously wants to, but the rest? I'm not convinced at all. There won't be much money hanging around for any club.

The Wood slaters are a funny bunch. I think recently they’re a bit sad because they now know how truly crap Vydra and J Rod are.

Dyched wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:02 pm

The Wood slaters are a funny bunch. I think recently they’re a bit sad because they now know how truly crap Vydra and J Rod are.

They are all not up to standard, but the others at least work the channels and are not as static.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:52 pm

I would replace all of them to be honest, but Wood especially.

Who would you replace them with?

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:51 pm

Do you think any other premier league club would pay a fee for any of them?

Wood, Barnes and Jay are proven scorers at this level when given the right service.
All 3 cost less than Joelinton who was £40 million on a 6 year deal

Of course clubs would buy/sign Wood and Jay, I suspect Barnes would get in as a back up striker.

Vydra - has shown he can score in the championship, with the right set up I can't see why he wouldn't knock a few in, in the PL.

Hapag Lloyd wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:10 pm

Who would you replace them with?

Had this discussion years ago when i said Mears wasn't good enough - the inevitable "who would you replace them with?" came up and my answer remains the same. That isn't my job as a fan, nobody would have suggested Trippier as a replacement for Mears, nobody would have suggested Dyche as a replacement for Howe. I judge what is on the pitch and offer my opinion, and it is my opinion that our strikers are just not good enough. Jay at a push maybe is but only as a back up.

No chance we should sell Pope or Tarks.

You have to ask yourself how many points their individual performances (along with Mee) win us? I'd say 20. Hard to imagine we would replace them with similar quality/experience, so if you assume you replace their replacements win us half the number of points (10), we'd quite likely go down. Staying in the PL earns us £130m per year, so selling up for £90m and going down would be financial lunacy.

I also can't see the point selling a proven PL striker for £15m. He may be out of form, but since unproven PL players like Watkins, Brewster et al cost £20m+, I can't see why we'd want to sell our own proven player for £15m. Especially since those unproven players will also suffer dips in form at some point in their career... if they ever find it, that is.

Rather than sell them, we should be building around them. We should be offering Tarks a £10m re-signing fee (it's what we allegedly would have to pay for Collins, who is unproven, why not give it Tarks who is?), then adding one or two quality players each year.