Will 35 points be enough?

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Pstotto » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:02 am

41 points needed this year.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Archer » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:09 am

Based on what?

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:32 am

Dropping points at home to Brighton, Fulham and WBA could cost us but thankfully it is still in our own hands

What really concerns me at the moment is our apparent slow start to games, hence an inability to score first puts more pressure on the style of play

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by claretandy » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:51 am

We need a 2 point gap from Fulham and Newcastle going into the last game.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Atticus62 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:58 am

39 points should do it

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Grumps » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:28 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:32 am
Dropping points at home to Brighton, Fulham and WBA could cost us but thankfully it is still in our own hands

What really concerns me at the moment is our apparent slow start to games, hence an inability to score first puts more pressure on the style of play
Leicester?... Palace?

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Atticus62 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:32 pm

My Predictions

Burnley
Home Newcastle West Ham Leeds Liverpool 5 points
Away Everton Soto Man U Wolves Fulham Sheff U 5 points

Newcastle
Home A Villa Spurs W Ham Arsenal Man C Fulham 5 points
Away Brighton Burnley Liverpool Leicester Fulham 2 points

Brighton
Home Newcastle Everton Leeds West Ham Man C 5 points
Away Soto Man U Chelsea Sheff U Wolves Arsenal 4 points

Fulham
Home Man C Leeds Wolves Burnley Newcastle 7 points
Away A Villa Arsenal Chelsea Soto Man U 4 points



End of Season
Burnley 40 points
Fulham 37 points
Brighton 35 points
Newcastle 34 points

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Bosscat » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:33 pm

Atticus62 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:32 pm
My Predictions

Burnley
Home Newcastle West Ham Leeds Liverpool 5 points
Away Everton Soto Man U Wolves Fulham Sheff U 5 points

Newcastle
Home A Villa Spurs W Ham Arsenal Man C Fulham 5 points
Away Brighton Burnley Liverpool Leicester Fulham 2 points

Brighton
Home Newcastle Everton Leeds West Ham Man C 5 points
Away Soto Man U Chelsea Sheff U Wolves Arsenal 4 points

Fulham
Home Man C Leeds Wolves Burnley Newcastle 7 points
Away A Villa Arsenal Chelsea Soto Man U 4 points



End of Season
Burnley 40 points
Fulham 37 points
Brighton 35 points
Newcastle 34 points
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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Top Claret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:40 pm

We will need over 38 pts due to our inferior goal average.

We have struggled with injuries and playing to many games over the last 5 weeks. With a 2 weeks break coming we should get rested and have a fully fit squad.
I would expect us to crack on and average around 1.3 pts a match to take us to a finish of around 43pts which will be enough.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by JarrowClaret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:36 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:25 am
I wouldn't write off the Utd and Liverpool games just yet. I'd say the only team that has the indian side over us is City.

Liverpool out of sorts, and we seem to have some kind of hold over Utd at Old Trafford.

It would be quite delicious if Brighton went down playing their "Barca style" Potterball.

The Fulham away game looks massive, as does Newcastle at home. I said a while ago we would get around 44 points, so I'm sticking to that.
Ha ha wrong choice of wording if you look at my other wording it be probably should have been similar. I think they are games that we would go into and not expect to get anything under normal circumstances. Obviously we could get something from them but my real aim was to pint out there are 8 games in which we could realistically expect to get something from.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by box_of_frogs » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:39 pm

Years where we have been relegated, we have always struggled against the teams around us. Years we have stayed up, we have beaten those at the bottom. The same applies again here. Points against the top half teams are a luxury.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by houseboy » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:12 pm

I’m loving these ‘oh dear we are in danger’ threads. We are on target for over 40 points despite our unbelievably bad start. I expect we will be nearer 43/44 come the end. Sheffield Utd and WBA will go down. Fulham might drag Newcastle and Brighton into the mix. And who was it suggesting we might only get four more points? Laughable. Why is it assumed by some that our points average is going to go into meltdown?
Lockdown boredom levels really are making some people overthink things. WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN. Live with it and start another pointless thread...those two ex royal scavengers would be a good start.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by EricaJacko » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:17 pm

We certainly won't need 38 points as somebody mentioned above. The thing that nobody has pointed out, and it's Fulham. They have found form, and so what a few games ago was 35, is now more 37-38. Vydra and Wood are eventually being given the chance and JBG is back. We've shown against Arsenal in the second half, against Leicester and the 3-0 win over Palace that we are more than capable. I'm still looking at mid-table.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by BenWickes » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:18 pm

Just done a predictor and wasn't even being kind with our results. Losing at Fulham and home to Leeds amongst others. To reflect how we have unexpected results. Still have us finishing 15th. Granted only 4 points off the relegation zone.
I personally think it'll be a three way fight between Fulham, Newcastle and Brighton. Interestingly Fulham play Newcastle on the final day which may well be a relegation decider between the two.
I think 37 will see us safe but I'd rather have that before the final day or that'd throw up an uncomfortable final day.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:43 pm

A point a game will keep us up. Newcastle home is a must win

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by claretburns » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:44 pm

35 for me would be enough. Newcastle are falling fast and I don't expect much for them from their remaining games:

Villa Home - 0
Brighton Away - 1 (being generous due to Brighton's inability to take their chances)
Tottenham Home - 0
Burnley Away - 0 (hopefully)
West Ham Home - 0
Liverpool Away - 0
Arsenal Home - 0
Leicester Away - 0
City Home - 0
Sheff Utd Home - 3
Fulham Away - 0

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:50 pm

Newcastle at home is a massive game. Win that and we're just about there as I don't see them picking up many more points.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Spijed » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:54 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:43 pm
A point a game will keep us up. Newcastle home is a must win
None of the games are a must win from this point going forward.

If we were to beat Leeds and Southampton, for example, and then draw another three games we are safe, regardless of what we do against Fulham, Newcastle and Sheff united.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Culmclaret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:40 pm

We don’t need to worry about other people’s results. With the injury situation easing a bit and more time to recover between games we should be more than capable of getting 10-14 points from our last ten matches. But if you must, try making a case for Newcastle getting anywhere near 10 points from their remaining games given their injury list, the obvious turmoil in the dressing room and the nature of their opponents.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:53 pm

If it goes down to the last game of the season we have bottom of the league Sheffield United to play. It couldn't be easier.
If we can't beat them, we deserve to be relegated.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:04 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:50 pm
Newcastle at home is a massive game. Win that and we're just about there as I don't see them picking up many more points.
It's not a must win as we still have 9 other games to play, but it would go a long way to making survival easier, plus making their task an awful lot tougher.

Newcastle do appear to be going off the rails at a rapid rate, and Brighton have also hit the buffers, which is thankful for us as with Fulham picking up big time we could certainly do without other teams down there increasing the pressure.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by EricaJacko » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:05 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:53 pm
If it goes down to the last game of the season we have bottom of the league Sheffield United to play. It couldn't be easier.
If we can't beat them, we deserve to be relegated.
FuCu - something wrong if it went down to the last game!

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:21 pm

I don't think 35 points will be enough for 17th.
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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by leelad » Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:57 pm

My opinion on this, and for a number of seasons, has been that if you average one point a game, that should get you somewhere near staying up. So it's 38 points for me. So it's 8 points to find from the next 10 games. One game at a time.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Ric_C » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:44 am

Atticus62 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:32 pm
My Predictions


Newcastle
Home A Villa Spurs W Ham Arsenal Man C Sheffield Utd 5 points
Away Brighton Burnley Liverpool Leicester Fulham 2 points

Fulham
Home Man C Leeds Wolves Burnley Newcastle 7 points
Away A Villa Arsenal Chelsea Soto Man U 4 points
Slight mistake in the fixtures here.

Interestingly Newcastle and Fulham play each other on the last day

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by LaLigaClaret » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:48 pm

The thing to remember is though.....

There are always surprise results especially when it comes to the last 10 games and relegation beckons and this season has had so many surprise results already. Usually there is always a team in the bottom half of the table that suffers a massive loss of form during the last ten games so I wouldn't rule out Palace, Wolves, Leeds or Southampton just yet. Often someone crashes down the table that wasn't expected.

Brighton have Lamptey coming back and ne will make a big difference to them and its quite possible they will start converting misses into goals.

Fulham have real momentum and we face a difficult game there.

We still have a number of top 8 teams to play so Man U, Everton, West Ham and Liverpool might be tough for us.

Newcastle do look vulnerable especially with Maximin missing but what if one stroke of cruel luck or a bad decision goes against us in the Newcastle game ? Newcastle might surprise Fulham and Fulham might beat us then it could be all to play for.

What if Mee, Pope or Tarks gets injured off sent off during the last ten games.

I think there is an argument for saying we might need as much as 41or 42 pts this year but equally we could get away 36 or 37 pts. We might need to ensue a win against Sheff Utd on the last day Its still all to play for. The one thing is certain though that despite only losing once in the last six games we are closer to relegation than we were and the failure to beat Fulham or West Brom could be a real body blow. I think we will be safe but it could be squeaky bum time over the rest of the season.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:49 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:48 pm


Brighton have Lamptey coming back and ne will make a big difference to them and its quite possible they will start converting misses into goals.


Lamptey is now out for the season

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by LaLigaClaret » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:52 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:49 pm
Lamptey is now out for the season
Thanks for the update I wasn't aware of that. That's a boost for us then.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Spijed » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:03 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:48 pm

I think there is an argument for saying we might need as much as 41or 42 pts this year
We get this comment every year, yet it's happened just once in 30 years.

We've more chance of getting into Europe this season than that happening.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by tiger76 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:18 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:48 pm
The thing to remember is though.....

There are always surprise results especially when it comes to the last 10 games and relegation beckons and this season has had so many surprise results already. Usually there is always a team in the bottom half of the table that suffers a massive loss of form during the last ten games so I wouldn't rule out Palace, Wolves, Leeds or Southampton just yet. Often someone crashes down the table that wasn't expected.

Brighton have Lamptey coming back and ne will make a big difference to them and its quite possible they will start converting misses into goals.

Fulham have real momentum and we face a difficult game there.

We still have a number of top 8 teams to play so Man U, Everton, West Ham and Liverpool might be tough for us.

Newcastle do look vulnerable especially with Maximin missing but what if one stroke of cruel luck or a bad decision goes against us in the Newcastle game ? Newcastle might surprise Fulham and Fulham might beat us then it could be all to play for.

What if Mee, Pope or Tarks gets injured off sent off during the last ten games.

I think there is an argument for saying we might need as much as 41or 42 pts this year but equally we could get away 36 or 37 pts. We might need to ensue a win against Sheff Utd on the last day Its still all to play for. The one thing is certain though that despite only losing once in the last six games we are closer to relegation than we were and the failure to beat Fulham or West Brom could be a real body blow. I think we will be safe but it could be squeaky bum time over the rest of the season.
I agree the end of the season can throw up surprise results, but realistically everybody above Burnley should be safe baring a total meltdown in their form, so it looks like a straight fight for that last place between Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle and Fulham, but I don't see how we can possibly need 40+ points to finish above at least one of the aforementioned sides, for all those 3 to hit that sort of target they'd need to win 4/5 out of their last 10/11, now that could happen, but their form thus far suggests it's extremely unlikely to be the case.

Our recent form is actually just 1 defeat in 7, however our problem has been too many draws, we're proving difficult to beat, but we aren't getting the 3 points in the bag which is why despite this decent run of form we're still much too close to the bottom 3 to feel comfortable entering the home straight. I tend to agree we will have enough to survive, but it's getting very much squeaky bum time that's true.

The magic number for me is 38. I really can't see all three of Brighton, Fulham or Newcastle bettering that, given their run-in's.

As it happens I fully expect us to finish around 42-45 mark, and that will most certainly be plenty enough to maintain PL footy at TM for next season.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Spijed » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:22 pm

Fulham have fewer points (26) than other teams had after 30 matches in the last few seasons.

Any side who gets 35 points this season will have a very good chance of surviving.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Pstotto » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:40 pm

Based on what?

Mental health...

We need either 2 wins and 2 draws or 3 wins out of 9 to be sure.

Whatever the rest, that's the requirement.

... I was just chatting to Bob Hoskins and Dick and Dom about it.

We've been friends ever since Vision-On days.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:03 pm
We get this comment every year, yet it's happened just once in 30 years.

We've more chance of getting into Europe this season than that happening.
I hope you realise that this post makes absolutely no sense :D

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by bfcmik » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:58 pm

It could easily be argued that we already have enough points to be safe. Fulham are now 7 points behind with only 8 games left and Newcastle would have to have an almost miraculous change of form to gain 5 points from their final 9 games. And, of course, we have an opportunity against both of them to guarantee our safety.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:30 am

probably best to just watch the rest of the games and then talk about it.
it will go one of two ways, either we get relegated, or we get enough points to remain.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by EricaJacko » Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:34 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:30 am
probably best to just watch the rest of the games and then talk about it.
it will go one of two ways, either we get relegated, or we get enough points to remain.
So basically, remove all messageboards and online discussions.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by box_of_frogs » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:51 am

EricaJacko wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:34 am
So basically, remove all messageboards and online discussions.
It would prevent people saying “ I KNOW FOR A FACT that we can’t get relegated” when it’s far from mathematically certain.....
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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Culmclaret » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:31 am

We can get relegated but we won’t

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Down_Rover » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:56 am

It is unlikely that Fulham Brighton And Newcastle will ALL get 35 points

Even if we do we need three points from 9 games. We have got 41 points in our last 27 games

Why put yourself under pressure. We will finish nearer to the top half than relegation

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:07 am

If Newcastle stick with Bruce there's no way they're getting to 35 points.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:35 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:07 am
If Newcastle stick with Bruce there's no way they're getting to 35 points.
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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by Top Claret » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:54 am

35 pts will be enough. The relegated side will go down with 34pts

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by bobinho » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:04 am

To answer the OP, i think it will.

41/42 as stated earlier is puzzling based on how the table looks and the run ins, but I see it was followed by 36/37. Forecasting worthy of a politician that....

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by mikeS » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:24 pm

More points than games. 39-40 please
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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by LaLigaClaret » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:13 pm

There was a post on here that stated nobody with more points than us could possibly go down. At that point Southampton had more than us so perhaps that poster may wish to reappraise that view ? I did say in my previous post we MAY need 41 or 42 pts but that 36 or 37 MAY be enough because this season has proved so unpredictable. We could lose against Southampton, Fulham and Newcastle and some of the other games may not gives us much so relegation is still a possibility. I did say I thought we would be ok and that Newcastle looked the most vulnerable. Dodgy decisions, slices of luck good or bad, sudden losses of form (Southampton), injuries can all still play a part. A win for us against Newcastle would probably make us safe but its not a certainty at this stage.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by EricaJacko » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:20 pm

Fulham are on 26 points with 8 games to go.
And people are seriously thinking we need 40+ to stay up?

There's no 'May' about it, other than the one coming up in 2 months. 35 will be close to being enough.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by LaLigaClaret » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:41 pm

EricaJacko wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:20 pm
Fulham are on 26 points with 8 games to go.
And people are seriously thinking we need 40+ to stay up?

There's no 'May' about it, other than the one coming up in 2 months. 35 will be close to being enough.
That as maybe but at the time the 40pts claims were made we didn't have 33pts. Fulham had momentum at that point which is since disappearing and Newcastle were only a couple of pts behind us. We still had to face Newcastle and Fulham and they also have to play each other. That could have given Fulham anything between 30 or 32Pts or Newcastle if winning both games would have been above us. At that stage any number of possibilities was still likely, maybe not so now but we are still not certain to be safe, but will likely be so.

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Re: Will 35 points be enough?

Post by houseboy » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:12 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:32 am
Dropping points at home to Brighton, Fulham and WBA could cost us but thankfully it is still in our own hands

What really concerns me at the moment is our apparent slow start to games, hence an inability to score first puts more pressure on the style of play
No it won’t. And it is in everyone’s own hands apart those needing catch up...the bottom three. No danger here. Two down and Fulham who are nowhere near as good as everyone makes out. Newcastle in danger. Brighton not out of it but good enough to survive. Southampton same as us but on outrageously poor form. We are averaging over a point per game and playing well enough to easily make 43/44 points. We don’t even need to beat Newcastle or Southampton. We need to win games for the extra money the higher we finish. Nothing more. Rest easy.

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