ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

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ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am

U23s in action at West Brom this afternoon

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by Leisure » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:15 pm

Is this being shown anywhere? Can't find anything on their website.

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:52 pm

Was wondering what had happened to Cropper and Harker

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by Leisure » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:04 pm

And Jensen back from Bolton.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:19 pm

Aye, thats an odd one

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:29 pm

WBA have several first teamers playing...Livermore, Sawyers, Diangana etc.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:49 pm

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:04 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:52 pm
Was wondering what had happened to Cropper and Harker
So poor with communication - Harker back on the bench and we are told he's returning from a long term injury, the first time that injury has been mentioned. Cropper was recalled from Chesterfield in January but this is the first time he's played.

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:05 pm

You do wonder what all the secrecy is about Tony
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Post by Leisure » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:15 pm

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:17 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:05 pm
You do wonder what all the secrecy is about Tony
Two under-23 players left in January last year and there was no mention of them leaving. We have players out long term and it isn't deemed worthy of mention. I just don't understand it.
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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:17 pm
Two under-23 players left in January last year and there was no mention of them leaving. We have players out long term and it isn't deemed worthy of mention. I just don't understand it.
We never get straight answers on first team injuries so I'm not sure why you think we'd get better info about u23 players.

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Post by Leisure » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:21 pm

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Post by Leisure » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:23 pm

Pulled 1 back on 64 mins. Mancini.
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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:50 pm

Down to ten men - Jimmy Dunne sent off

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:56 pm

Beaten 2-1

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:14 pm

Just a few words on the site

https://www.uptheclarets.com/experience ... -under-23s

Amazingly, for the second week running we've had a player sent off with the club making absolutely no mention of it.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:14 pm
Just a few words on the site

https://www.uptheclarets.com/experience ... -under-23s

Amazingly, for the second week running we've had a player sent off with the club making absolutely no mention of it.
Its all a big secret, for some unknown reason

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:31 pm

Disappointing :(

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:14 pm
Just a few words on the site

https://www.uptheclarets.com/experience ... -under-23s

Amazingly, for the second week running we've had a player sent off with the club making absolutely no mention of it.
Apologies to our reporter and more so to Jimmy Dunne. Both the Premier League and West Brom have reported the red card but I've had it from very good authority that he was NOT sent off.

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by WiscoClaret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:41 pm

Is Jensen not on loan to Bolton?

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Re: ARTICLE: Late change sends under-23s to The Hawthorns

Post by brunlea99 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:50 pm

West Brom official site report says that Nartey was sent off.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/albion-pl2-2-burnley-pl2-1

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Post by WiscoClaret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:51 pm

(Edit... what they said^^^) The WBA website mentions that it was Nartey sent off? “ Richard Nartey was given his marching orders.”

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Post by durhamclaret » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:01 pm

Official site, Narty sent off.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:06 pm

WiscoClaret wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:41 pm
Is Jensen not on loan to Bolton?
Yes, but permitted to play.
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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:08 pm

durhamclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:01 pm
Official site, Narty sent off.
Didn't mention it initially. Premier League said Dunne had been sent off but I was told that he wasn't. Didn't think someone else had been.

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NewClaret wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:31 pm
Disappointing :(
Not really, they had very strong team playing.
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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:47 pm

So Dunne didnt get Done, but Narty was a bit Naughty ?
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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:51 pm

Leisure wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:28 pm
Not really, they had very strong team playing.
As I reported, over 950 league games from four of them in that West Brom team.
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Post by boatshed bill » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:52 pm

brunlea99 wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:50 pm
West Brom official site report says that Nartey was sent off.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/albion-pl2-2-burnley-pl2-1
I haven't seen "given his marching orders" for absolutely years :D

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Post by Leisure » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:38 pm

Leisure wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:04 pm
And Jensen back from Bolton.
But still on loan to them apparently.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:37 am

Leisure wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:28 pm
Not really, they had very strong team playing.
Ah right, fair enough. That’s what they have to do to beat us these days :D
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Post by Mala591 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:28 am

Are our u23’s coached to ‘mirror’ the 4-4-2 formation and the relatively rigid framework of the first team?

Which would make sense when players are asked to step up to join the first team squad but might ‘suppress’ their natural creative/instinctive development.

No hidden agenda, I’m just interested in how the u23’s are coached.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:45 pm

Leisure wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:04 pm
And Jensen back from Bolton.
He's on loan at Bolton until the end of the season - we are able to play him in these games but only if he's not required by Bolton.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:47 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:28 am
Are our u23’s coached to ‘mirror’ the 4-4-2 formation and the relatively rigid framework of the first team?

Which would make sense when players are asked to step up to join the first team squad but might ‘suppress’ their natural creative/instinctive development.

No hidden agenda, I’m just interested in how the u23’s are coached.

" but might ‘suppress’ their natural creative/instinctive development"

Do you ever give it a rest?

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Post by Leisure » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:15 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:45 pm
He's on loan at Bolton until the end of the season - we are able to play him in these games but only if he's not required by Bolton.
Has he even been on the bench at Bolton yet?

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:23 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:15 pm
Has he even been on the bench at Bolton yet?
Manager there says he's letting him settle in before he plays him but has been very impressed with him. But he doesn't even put him on the bench.

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Post by Leisure » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:23 pm
Manager there says he's letting him settle in before he plays him but has been very impressed with him. But he doesn't even put him on the bench.
Just how long would he need to settle in?? Also, not sure just what the reasoning would be in letting him go there but then not even be on the bench, never mind actually play!

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:06 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:05 pm
Just how long would he need to settle in?? Also, not sure just what the reasoning would be in letting him go there but then not even be on the bench, never mind actually play!
I don't get it, I could half understand the comment if he was on the bench but I don't think he's been on once. I'm sure that's why we took the opportunity to bring him back in for yesterday's game.

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Post by WiscoClaret » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:06 pm
Yes, but permitted to play.
Thank you Tony.

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Post by djemba-djemba » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:06 pm
I don't get it, I could half understand the comment if he was on the bench but I don't think he's been on once. I'm sure that's why we took the opportunity to bring him back in for yesterday's game.
Perhaps it’s kinder to say that rather than he’s not up to it yet.

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Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:36 pm

I believe their regular keeper is Gilks, so tbf he's loads of experience and no slouch and they are pressing for a play off place, so suddenly picking an inexperienced goalkeeper at that level would be a huge risk. Not even having him on the bench is weird though and I did notice that myself the other week.
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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:40 pm

Evatt said a couple of weeks ago; “Lukas is an exceptional young goalkeeper and he’s a big, big boy. I don’t know if people have seen him but he’s a specimen and he is very agile. I have been impressed with him in training as well. The thinking behind this is that I want to give him time to settle down with the lads, get him used to the environment. When results were not going as well it was a big ask for a young keeper to step in. Matt has mountains of experience."

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Post by Leisure » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:41 pm

djemba-djemba wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:14 pm
Perhaps it’s kinder to say that rather than he’s not up to it yet.
But if that was the case, why would they bother taking him on loan?

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:28 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:41 pm
But if that was the case, why would they bother taking him on loan?
They are in with a chance of the play-offs, perhaps changing keepers is a risk their manager is not prepared to take.

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Post by djemba-djemba » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:00 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:41 pm
But if that was the case, why would they bother taking him on loan?
Perhaps they thought he would be then it turned out he wasn’t.

Just look at Dyche and how the vast majority of his loan signings work out.

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Post by Leisure » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:28 pm
They are in with a chance of the play-offs, perhaps changing keepers is a risk their manager is not prepared to take.
Yes, I can fully understand that but he's not even getting on the bench, in fact they haven't even been putting any keeper on the bench!

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:39 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:36 pm
Yes, I can fully understand that but he's not even getting on the bench, in fact they haven't even been putting any keeper on the bench!
Well that is odd.
You watch the Under 23s, would you say that Jensen looks the best equipped of our young goalkeepers to progress (OK, I know we don't get to see a lot of their games)? I certainly would on what I've seen.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:39 pm
Well that is odd.
You watch the Under 23s, would you say that Jensen looks the best equipped of our young goalkeepers to progress (OK, I know we don't get to see a lot of their games)? I certainly would on what I've seen.
Not seen him at all this season but what I will say about him was I saw him give a goal away at Leeds last season and I can't recall one other error from him that led to a goal.

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