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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:29 pm

like CP said further up, he has been making folks well aware of tensions at the club for the last few months in the majority of his interviews, many times saying things like "we'll see if the owners have the same vision for the club as I do"

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:34 pm

Shame really, I liked him and his honesty. It is unfortunately the way of the world.

He will have a good payout and more than likely get another job, probably from the Championship.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by warksclaret » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:47 pm

If WBA have any sense, they will engage him for next season
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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:07 pm

It would have made far more sense for them to do what we did when Dyche took us down after the first season in the PL. Stick with a guy who's shown he can do it and give him the chance to sort it out and get you back up. He's your best chance.
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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by tiger76 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:15 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:57 am
Pretty pointless exercise I would have retained Wilder can they not just throw the towel in and plan for next season,big mistake potting Wilder should have followed our lead when we went down and kept Dyche.
Yes Burnley & Norwich are prime examples that backing the manager even in the event of relegation can pay dividends in the long run.

I don't understand the logic of Sheff Utd's owners punting Wilder, he massively overachieved last season, and although you can question some of his signings in the market, their injury crisis has been much worse than even ours, they've been bereft of most of their 1st choice defence for large parts of the season, and any club would struggle in those circumstances, if Burnley had to cope without say Mee & Tarks plus one of the full backs, then do people really think we'd have fared any better, because I don't, and the first few games of the season bares this out. look how badly we were struggling in those early weeks with our mainstays missing, it was only when they slowly returned that we finally got our season off the ground.
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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Fretters » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:35 pm

Just remembered Rodwell very nearly went to Roma a couple of years back! :shock: After leaving Blackburn, who he actually did pretty well for.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:39 pm

Fretters wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:35 pm
Just remembered Rodwell very nearly went to Roma a couple of years back! :shock: After leaving Blackburn, who he actually did pretty well for.
which goes back to my theory of managers and how to manage the player

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Petersa » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:59 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:36 pm
If he thinks he hasn’t been backed at Sheffield Utd, I’d like to know what he’d think if he came to Burnley!
An utterly disgraceful ridiculous and scandalous comment.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by ewanrob » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:01 pm

With 10 to go, wouldn't be suprised to see Bruce potted at Newcastle and Wilder go in there to save there season.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:05 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:01 pm
With 10 to go, wouldn't be suprised to see Bruce potted at Newcastle and Wilder go in there to save there season.
The logic being let’s hire the man who was in charge of the bottom placed side nailed on for relegation to oversee a successful campaign somewhere else achieving the same thing he failed elsewhere, yes that all makes perfect sense :roll:

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by ewanrob » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:12 pm

Hes a good manager, and they have been extremely unlucky with a lot of results. You get the feeling stuff in the background has affected him quite a bit.....you don't go from being mentioned as manager of the year to a failure.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:48 pm

Another on the growing list of nonsensical manager sackings.
He deserves better than to work for people who have no understanding of the game. I hope they go along the same footpath as the Venky's. They might not disappear, but it cost them a fortune to stay afloat.

I'm off to find a Sheff U forum, to see how the locals reacted.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:06 pm

Petersa wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:59 pm
An utterly disgraceful ridiculous and scandalous comment.
Eh? :lol:

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by IanMcL » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:12 pm

Hugely popular with the fans.
He will pick up another job, without delay. Sheff U loss.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Top Claret » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:04 pm

Wilder has had all the tools at his disposal to compete with the Burnleys of this world and failed, so he deserves to go

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Jamesy » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm

Anyone who would spunk circa 35 million on Ryan Brewster and Lys Mousset deserves the sack in my opinion.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by agreenwood » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:23 pm

They spent nigh on £100m in two summers.

No idea if Wilder got any say in what the money went on, but clearly that’s a hell of an investment for a club that size. To then be so badly off the pace this year meant something was going to give.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Barlickclaret » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:41 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Anyone who would spunk circa 35 million on Ryan Brewster and Lys Mousset deserves the sack in my opinion.
Don't forget mcburnie, don't think he was cheap.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Jamesy » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 pm

Crikey! Didn’t realise he had cost em 20 million? At least he scored a few goals though.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by superdimitri » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:36 am

Top Claret wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:04 pm
Wilder has had all the tools at his disposal to compete with the Burnleys of this world and failed, so he deserves to go
We didn't sack Dyche when relegated. But then again we also didn't spend nearly as much money after we did survive a year.

I think it's unjustified and a mistake, so many times we see the same mistakes made. They probably won't bounce back from the championship now.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by beeholeclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:59 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:59 pm
A good old Yorkshire name if ever there was one.....
Made a useful twin striker partnership alongside "Willie Eckerslike". ;)
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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:12 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:36 am
We didn't sack Dyche when relegated. But then again we also didn't spend nearly as much money after we did survive a year.

I think it's unjustified and a mistake, so many times we see the same mistakes made. They probably won't bounce back from the championship now.
No cast iron guarantees they would have bounced back with him.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:53 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:33 pm
Let's hope venkys aren't interested.
Absolutely!

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by superdimitri » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:57 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:12 am
No cast iron guarantees they would have bounced back with him.
Never is, but you usually worsen your odds sacking your manager. Don't think we'd have come back up without Dyche and if Coyle had stayed we'd have stood a much better chance of getting re promoted the next season.

I think even Bournemouth will be worse off in the long term without Howe.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by leelad » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:06 am

Came across as a genuine bloke, uncompromising, firm but fair and you can tell he wore his heart on his sleeve. This eventually became a weakness rather than a strength. The amount of money they have spent over years was not insignificant and they have not been able to get the team to gel at all this season. Also opposing teams know what to expect when playing Sheff Utd. They are not a surprise any more. Burnley need to be aware of this as they look to continue to evolve in this division. We all know that you cannot stand still.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by warksclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:32 am

There are similarities between SD and CW and between BFC and Sheff Utd. One key difference, and it has served us well being as follows. Sheff Utd had a squad that had performed well in their promotion year and their debut year in the PL , then went on a spending spree as if they wanted more cover in most positions. At present many of the starting 11 are the original players but at the same time Wilder has chopped and changed his new arrivals with limited success. It may have damaged morale , and he now has some expensive players not starting. By contrast SD likes to start with a starting 11 that has served him well, very cautious with new arrivals and beds them in nicely. Frustrating at time with the number of new arrivals, but through this policy SD can extract the very best out of players-when we get this from the entire 11 at the same time, we produce good results. If he can continue this for the next 10 games then we have a very unique and successful manager

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:04 am

The Times take on things:

Manager Chris Wilder leaves Premier League strugglers Sheffield United

Matt Lawton, Martin Hardy, Saturday March 13 2021, 12.00am, The Times

Chris Wilder’s near five-year tenure as the manager of Sheffield United came to an end yesterday as the growing conflict between the 53-year-old and the club’s Saudi owner finally reached its conclusion.

Representatives of Wilder, who took the club from League One to the Premier League, spent yesterday in discussions with the board about a negotiation package. The talks delayed what is expected to be an announcement that he has left by “mutual consent”.

Wilder is unlikely to be without admirers in England and Scotland, where Celtic are looking for a successor to Neil Lennon. By yesterday evening Wilder was the bookmakers’ favourite to take over at Parkhead, though Wilder may wait until the season ends to see what offers come.

It is thought that Paul Heckingbottom, the former Leeds United head coach who is in charge of the Sheffield United under-23 side, could take temporary charge for the Premier League game away to Leicester City tomorrow.

Tension had been mounting between Wilder, a lifelong Sheffield Untied supporter, and Abdullah bin Musa’ad bin Abdulaziz al-Saud, the owner, since the January transfer window, and the manager almost left then.

Wilder thought that he had been undermined by the board’s decision not to strengthen his squad and believed that it gave a signal to his dressing room that the club had given up on trying to stay in the Premier League. He went public on the fallout at the beginning of the month, calling for the board to “stick to the plan” and then, several days later, he went farther.

“I have brought £240 million into the club,” he said. “To invest £90 million or £100 million into good young players you are hoping they hit it off from the start.”

However, at boardroom level there was unhappiness with the investment in the transfer market last summer, with Aaron Ramsdale (£20 million) and Rhian Brewster (£20 million) failing to make their mark.

Crucially, by the end of 2020, there was a growing desire to bring in a director of football to oversee player recruitment, a move opposed by Wilder. He was also said to be unhappy at the possibility of selling Sander Berge and George Baldock if, as expected, the club are relegated.

United have won only four league games this season. They are bottom of the table and 12 points from safety with only ten games remaining, but there is still an FA Cup quarter-final away to Chelsea next weekend.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:23 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:57 am
Never is, but you usually worsen your odds sacking your manager. Don't think we'd have come back up without Dyche and if Coyle had stayed we'd have stood a much better chance of getting re promoted the next season.

I think even Bournemouth will be worse off in the long term without Howe.
True, it’s all ifs buts & maybes, after finishing 9th last season the board probably expected to improve upon that or at the very least maintain some sort of midtable position & not the lead balloon effect, he’s spent money on crap & to his defence he’s been unlucky losing Henderson & O’Connell knee injury, he would have been better off last season just scraping over the line then less expectations, I don’t feel sorry for him it’s been suggested he’s walking away with 7million & he’ll walk into another job without any problems.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Stan Tastic » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:04 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 pm
Crikey! Didn’t realise he had cost em 20 million? At least he scored a few goals though.
He's scored 7 goals in 57 appearances for Sheffield United.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:12 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 pm
Crikey! Didn’t realise he had cost em 20 million? At least he scored a few goals though.
McBurnie has 7 Premier League goals in 57 appearances (35 starts, 22 sub) and cost £20 million
Mousset has 6 Premier League goals in 37 appearances (13 starts, 24 sub) and cost £10 million
Brewster has 0 Premier League goals in 20 appearances (9 starts, 11 sub) and cost £23.5 million

What that really shows is how much you must have to spend to get guaranteed goals from a striker. Sean Dyche is often accused of not being able to recruit decent strikers but being good on bringing in defenders. That's why? Premier League quality strikers cost far more than we can afford. That's what Sheff U have got from over £50 million.

Having done so well in their first season I think they should have consolidated and signed Premier League experience in the way we have done. It doesn't always work, Jonathan Walters unfortunately suffered bad injuries, but players such as Cork, Bardsley, Rodriguez for example have and they are the sort of players Wilder would have been better recruiting.
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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:31 pm

Chris Wood - 39 PL goals in 117 appearances - £15 million
Ashley Barnes - 41 PL goals in 173 games - £400k

Jay Rod - 9 PL goals in 59 appearances for us, £10 million?
(26 in 104 for saints plus he had that injury and 7 in 37 at WBA)

Vydra - 4 goals in 50 league appearances but mainly cameos - £11 million?

Andre Gray - 9 goals in 32 appearances, didn't he cost us £6-9 million?

Dyche and his team haven't done that bad tbh finding strikers for the PL looking at the numbers.
He even managed to get the best out of Ings and Vokes as a duo when Austin was sold.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Papabendi » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:49 pm

Wonder if we will go back in for Berge for a knock down fee..I know there was strong interest.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:49 pm
Wonder if we will go back in for Berge for a knock down fee..I know there was strong interest.
I was wondering but I saw him linked with both Arsenal and Spurs in the last week or so.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by IanMcL » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:46 pm

Injuries, no crowd, 2nd season all has an effect on such clubs.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by KefkaClaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:50 pm

Suprising, according to twitter he'll be replaced by Jason Tindall until the end of the season.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by simonclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:56 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:50 pm
Suprising, according to twitter he'll be replaced by Jason Tindall until the end of the season.
Baffling, if true.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by warksclaret » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:00 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:47 pm
If WBA have any sense, they will engage him for next season
Would not surprise me, after todays defeat of WBA, that they may have alreeady made contact with Wilder with a view to a "rebuilding job" of the most famous BOING BOING team in the world

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by IanMcL » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:02 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:50 pm
Suprising, according to twitter he'll be replaced by Jason Tindall until the end of the season.
That would be an appointment starting 1 April!

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:55 pm

Paul Heckingbottom appointed until end of season, to be assisted by Alan Knill (Wilder's assistant) and Jason Tindall

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by jedi_master » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:58 pm

That sounds like a disastrous trio!

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Dyched » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:59 pm

You can’t go comparing fees Sheffield United have paid to what we paid 3/4/5 years ago.

Thierry Henry cost Arsenal £15m. He was a bit better than Wood.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:00 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:58 pm
That sounds like a disastrous trio!
Heckingbottom shot himself in the foot when he signed a new long term deal at Barnsley on a Friday and walked out on the following Monday to go to Leeds. Almost Neil Hart like with his ability to honour contracts.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by tiger76 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:07 pm

Wilder being heavily linked to the vacant Celtic job by the media up here. now this could be a load of bunkum, but if he's available that could pique their interest.

It's worth remembering Sheff Utd were languishing in the 3rd tier when he took over, and he led them to a 9th placed finish in their 1st season back in the PL, however he's been badly let down by his big money signings (assuming of course they were his signings), and ultimately that's what's cost him his job.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by whentheballmoves » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:28 pm

Not surprised they've kept Knill on, but Tindall is a surprise.

Howe and Tindall next season?

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by houseboy » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:53 am

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:10 am
I'm going to say it now,

I would like Chris Wilder as manager of us IF Sean decides to leave anytime soon
Seconded.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:37 pm

9 games to go and guaranteed to go down.

Why get rid now?

Should have been at the end of the season with a games notice or two so the fans could show their appreciation or should have got rid when the writing was on the wall about 3 months ago...

Seemingly you don't have to be very bright to be a football chairman, just have a bit of money

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by Bosscat » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:42 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:37 pm
9 games to go and guaranteed to go down.

Why get rid now?

Should have been at the end of the season with a games notice or two so the fans could show their appreciation or should have got rid when the writing was on the wall about 3 months ago...

Seemingly you don't have to be very bright to be a football chairman, just have a bit of money
Agreed

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by djemba-djemba » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:17 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:37 pm

Seemingly you don't have to be very bright to be a football chairman, just have a bit of money
Looks like we got it the wrong way around then.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by tiger76 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:29 pm

Sheff Utd 3 down at Leicester, and they're lucky it's only 3, plus they have yet to muster an effort on target, really had the desired effect sacking Wilder didn't it.

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Re: Chris Wilder

Post by duncandisorderly » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:44 pm

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