Throw ins from wrong place.

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Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Claretincraven » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:36 pm

Now we dont have ball boys, and balls are placed at intervals around the pitch, it seems to be a common happening that a player picks up one of those spare balls and then takes the throw in from adjacent to the ball, as opposed to where the ball went out of play. Happened a couple of times this evening when Everton were chasing the game and on both occasions stole about 10 yards. Referees dont seem to want to do anything about it. Personally I think they should be made to use the original ball unless it has gone over the perimeter hoardings making it difficult to retrieve.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:46 pm

Yhw one that annoys me is when the ball goes out by the corner flag but the defender can take it 10 ft further up the pitch.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by tim_noone » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:50 pm

Claretincraven wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:36 pm
Now we dont have ball boys, and balls are placed at intervals around the pitch, it seems to be a common happening that a player picks up one of those spare balls and then takes the throw in from adjacent to the ball, as opposed to where the ball went out of play. Happened a couple of times this evening when Everton were chasing the game and on both occasions stole about 10 yards. Referees dont seem to want to do anything about it. Personally I think they should be made to use the original ball unless it has gone over the perimeter hoardings making it difficult to retrieve.
Good Spot.....

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Post by Silkyskills1 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:01 pm

A blatant one with about 5 mins. left. The thrower had picked up the 'second ' ball almost before the original one had gone out of play, stealing about 10 yards in the process.
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Post by leedsdave » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:44 pm

The gent who sits next to me in JML lower suggests that marks similar to the ones 10 yds from the corner flags should be placed at 10 yd intervals so it is clearer where throw-ins should be taken from.
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Post by Bosscat » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:55 pm

leedsdave wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:44 pm
The gent who sits next to me in JML lower suggests that marks similar to the ones 10 yds from the corner flags should be placed at 10 yd intervals so it is clearer where throw-ins should be taken from.
Thats a good call

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by chekhov » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:29 pm

So many “rules” are bent, ignored or abused in football. It’s like no other sport in that regard. I think this is the root of disrespect for the officials, which leads to a low standard of officiating. It’s a bit of a vicious circle unfortunately.
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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:37 pm

City scored the important second goal against us earlier in the season from a throw in over 10 yards away from where the ball went out. I don’t know why they have rules and VAR when they make it up as they go along.

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Post by Spiral » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:50 pm

It's not stealing when we do it. It's a strategic appropriation of touchline orientation.

And it's also social distancing.

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Post by joey13 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:21 pm

They did it for their first throw in

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by tiger76 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:43 pm

This happens all the time, but it rarely leads to a goal being scored, although I'm sure there has been a couple of examples from earlier in the season.

If the refs are applying the laws strictly then yes the throw in should be taken from the correct position.

Another thing which gets my goat is how often players will move the ball at free kicks to give themselves a better chance of scoring, sometimes it's shifted forwards, and sometimes it's shifted backwards, and I don't ever recall a ref ever stopping them doing this, even though it's blatant cheating.

I've been watching the Six Nations for several weeks now, and whenever there has been an infringement the officials quite correctly have been sticklers for accuracy in playing the ball from where the incident occurred, and their judgement has never been questioned once that I've noticed, mind you the rugby players respect the officials, whereas the spoilt brats who frequent a football field have zero respect for any officialdom unfortunately.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by JohnMac » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:51 pm

It's just another example of disrespect for the Laws of the Game and those who are supposed to enforce them. When I raised it on here previously the concensus of some of our refereeing fraternity is it's allowed to ensure the game flows. It's blatant cheating and weak officiating, it can't be anything else.

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Post by Staniola » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:55 pm

Linesmen (Assistant Referees) should be equipped with the aerosol sprays that the referees have and quickly spray where the ball went out. The throw in should then be made behind the mark. Not difficult really if anyone in authority cared about enforcing the rules.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:57 pm

Staniola wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:55 pm
Linesmen (Assistant Referees) should be equipped with the aerosol sprays that the referees have and quickly spray where the ball went out. The throw in should then be made behind the mark. Not difficult really if anyone in authority cared about enforcing the rules.
How’s that going to work? What happens when the ball goes out on the opposite side of the pitch to the AR? What happens when it goes out 50 yards away from the AR?

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Post by bfcjg » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pm

IRS annoying and if basic rules are not obeyed or enforced then what's the point of the rest of them surely you cannot pick and choose what you want to adhere to.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:24 pm

Think there's a Panorama special on this next month.
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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Duffer_ » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:42 pm

Seems to be more efficient than ball boys though. Just a perception, maybe the Panorama special will drill into the stats, but the ball seems to be back in play quicker with this method.

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Post by buzzclarets79 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:30 am

Spurs at home particularly sticks in my mind, think it was last season, ball went out by one bench and was taken near by the next bench, they went up and Kane scored, nothing was ever said, but clearly gained about 20-25 yr advantage. Fortunately Barnes then got us the second and we went on to win.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by JohnMac » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:39 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:24 pm
Think there's a Panorama special on this next month.
I hope they ask the right questions and not pander to the PGMOL agenda! :D

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:57 pm
How’s that going to work? What happens when the ball goes out on the opposite side of the pitch to the AR? What happens when it goes out 50 yards away from the AR?
Have said a few times before

Why not four AR's to cover each quarter of the pitch

in all games, any attacks down the left hand side are not covered sufficiently by officials (obviously also applies to defending on right)

The players know this and take full advantage of all situations

But itis galling to watch Ar's allow things to happen even when they are in the immediate vicinity

Its the old tale of not wanting to question the ref in the middle

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:03 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:30 am
Spurs at home particularly sticks in my mind, think it was last season, ball went out by one bench and was taken near by the next bench, they went up and Kane scored, nothing was ever said, but clearly gained about 20-25 yr advantage. Fortunately Barnes then got us the second and we went on to win.
Not last season, but it was the season before I think and yes it sticks in my mind too because at the time I was absolutely incandescent. That anger was nullified in the end because ultimately we won the game, but the main problem with that particular incident was the 4th official catching the ball as it went out and immediately throwing it to Danny Rose who was running up the touchline. Rose never broke stride, took the throw on the run and Kane caught our defence still wondering what the hell was going on. The 4th official hopefully got a bollocking for what he did because it was a blatant "assist" and clearly helped Spurs score.
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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:04 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:03 pm
Not last season, but it was the season before I think and yes it sticks in my mind too because at the time I was absolutely incandescent. That anger was nullified in the end because ultimately we won the game, but the main problem with that particular incident was the 4th official catching the ball as it went out and immediately throwing it to Danny Rose who was running up the touchline. Rose never broke stride, took the throw on the run and Kane caught our defence still wondering what the hell was going on. The 4th official hopefully got a bollocking for what he did because it was a blatant "assist" and clearly helped Spurs score.
I think the last thing we need is more match officials.

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by claretburns » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:10 pm

There was a goal this weekend, can't remember who, but from a corner where the ball was not in the place it should be taken from but the goal stood.

Surely VAR should disallow the goal and make the corner be retaken?

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:06 pm

I think they should have 22 referees who are all responsible for a player each. Imagine if we would have had two refs positioned in between Ben Mee and that Everton player he fouled (and caused to handle the ball) they would have been no dispute and claims of a penalty from the Burnley fans

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Post by Gerry Hattrick » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:32 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:57 pm
Have said a few times before

Why not four AR's to cover each quarter of the pitch
Could be quite good fun. I can picture 'em concentrating on the game running towards each other at full pelt, coming together at the half way line and collapseing in a heap rolling around screaming

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Re: Throw ins from wrong place.

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:51 pm

This is as old as they come and as always annoyed me too.

Best way to stop this is for the referee or linesman to indicate where the ball went out and if they throw from the wrong position then it should be classed as a foul throw. This will then stop overnight.

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