Real Madrid's new stadium.

[Gordaleman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muGyJEu12A8

Apologies if someone has done this before.

Mr Pace, we have some catching up to do.

[Targetman]

Thought they were skint?

[Dyched]

That’s just the same stadium but in tin foil.

[TheFamilyCat]

Perfect if you want to combine the football and airport experience in one afternoon.

[Bcrollerz]

Looks absolutely stunning

[NewClaret]

Is that being built now?

Thought Madrid were up to their eyeballs in debt?

[NewClaret]

Mr Pace, we have some catching up to do.

Any sort of vision for the stadium will do for me.

An area sadly under invested in recent years.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

The new Nou Camp is out of this world but with the financial straits both are in I’d be amazed if they are constructed in the near future.

[NewClaret]

The new Nou Camp is out of this world but with the financial straits both are in I’d be amazed if they are constructed in the near future.

Think the new Bernabau is under construction from what I can tell!

[karatekid]

2 years ago that video. Nothing happened yet? Reminds me of our bread bin. That went stale too.

[Dyched]

They’ve been playing at the training ground this season due to the work going on.

[martin_p]

Not keen on that at all!

[BillyIngham'sShorts]

seems too enclosed - surely you would want to be in sunlight in lovely Spain . I wouldn't want a tin foil Turf - prefer it as it is with a new 2 tier Bob Lord , and a 360 walk around for fans experience. Stick away fans in JM to increase attendances and atmosphere. Job done.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Any sort of vision for the stadium will do for me.

An area sadly under invested in recent years.

There isn't a right lot they can or should do right now whilst the fight to get standing sections in grounds allowed.

The important part was the disabled sections.

The CFS will get replaced eventually, but it's better to wait.

Facilities - something else that will be looked at and overhauled I suspect with the new lot in charge.

[Buxtonclaret]

Looks a bit like someone's been cap doffing to Chromecast.
But I'm sure it'll look grand when they've done and got it polished up.

[tim_noone]

No Doubt Built on Debt..as is the Norm with any construction these days. Very unimpressive view for the Neighbour's.

[jollyjack]

Looks like its going to be in a very cramped environment with buildings all around. Narrow external concourses for 90000 plus fans on matchday. Is there any transport infrastructure development in the city to accompany this? ie getting to/from the stadium. A 21st century project should probably look at the whole package.

Futuristic but Im not sold on this enclosed edifice look. Stamford Bridge plans looked at something similar.

[JohnMac]

Impressive but sitting in a big metal box in that heat

[NewClaret]

There isn't a right lot they can or should do right now whilst the fight to get standing sections in grounds allowed.

The important part was the disabled sections.

The CFS will get replaced eventually, but it's better to wait.

Facilities - something else that will be looked at and overhauled I suspect with the new lot in charge.

That’s fine if we actually have a vision/plan. Just say the CFS is designated for safe standing when it arrives and then focus on the other areas that require upgrading.

I’m talking a 10-15 year vision, doesn’t have to be immediate. AP said in a recent interview that he had a 20 year plan for the club in mind, and the stadium should be part of that.

I personally think the Bob Lord should also be upgraded with dressing rooms included so that the tunnel isn’t stuck on the side of the CFS and the lean-to tunnel can go.

Sadly the ground overall is not really PL standard. The majority of Championship clubs have better stadia/facilities. I totally get that a new stadium is off the cards for us financially, but that makes it even more important to have a clear plan for gradually renovating the one you’ve got.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That’s fine if we actually have a vision/plan. Just say the CFS is designated for safe standing when it arrives and then focus on the other areas that require upgrading.

I’m talking a 10-15 year vision, doesn’t have to be immediate. AP said in a recent interview that he had a 20 year plan for the club in mind, and the stadium should be part of that.

I personally think the Bob Lord should also be upgraded with dressing rooms included so that the tunnel isn’t stuck on the side of the CFS and the lean-to tunnel can go.

Sadly the ground overall is not really PL standard. The majority of Championship clubs have better stadia/facilities. I totally get that a new stadium is off the cards for us financially, but that makes it even more important to have a clear plan for gradually renovating the one you’ve got.

Those shiny grounds in the championship rarely sell out, we rarely sell out.
As for PL standard, it meets all of the requirements as set out by the PL, inc the all important disabled facilities.

Until we regularly sell out the ground, or they make a change to standing at grounds, then there isn't any point in throwing massive amounts of money at the stadium.

It needs certain things to be improved, facilities, toilets etc but no major work.

[DCWat]

Those shiny grounds in the championship rarely sell out, we rarely sell out.
As for PL standard, it meets all of the requirements as set out by the PL, inc the all important disabled facilities.

Until we regularly sell out the ground, or they make a change to standing at grounds, then there isn't any point in throwing massive amounts of money at the stadium.

It needs certain things to be improved, facilities, toilets etc but no major work.

That view perhaps doesn’t sit well with your view of developing the brand and increasing revenues.

Madrid’s proposals look good, albeit like a fancy wall plug from above. As it is, the stadium is heated, as it might be, it could need air con too.

[TsarBomba]

Those shiny grounds in the championship rarely sell out, we rarely sell out.
As for PL standard, it meets all of the requirements as set out by the PL, inc the all important disabled facilities.

Until we regularly sell out the ground, or they make a change to standing at grounds, then there isn't any point in throwing massive amounts of money at the stadium.

It needs certain things to be improved, facilities, toilets etc but no major work.

There’s a little bit of a chicken and egg scenario with this.

We don’t sell out because the last few thousand or so seats are in really poor positions, with bad sight lines and open to the elements.

We are desperate for more premium seating, which redevelopment to the BL would bring.

I remember it being posted on here a while ago that the club had the ability to see the amount of fans who had clicked onto the ticketing page, and had gone as far as selecting a seat but had not gone through with the purchase because the options available were limited. The suggestion for the big games was that we could comfortably sell 25k+.

[superdimitri]

Looks like a non-descript kitchen appliance. What happened to the days of good looking architecture?

[NewClaret]

Those shiny grounds in the championship rarely sell out, we rarely sell out.
As for PL standard, it meets all of the requirements as set out by the PL, inc the all important disabled facilities.

Until we regularly sell out the ground, or they make a change to standing at grounds, then there isn't any point in throwing massive amounts of money at the stadium.

It needs certain things to be improved, facilities, toilets etc but no major work.

I look at it slightly differently.

Generally commercial buildings are built with a 50 year lifespan in mind. That’s not to say they’ll all get knocked down and replaced then, but they will likely need significant investment and refurbishment to bring them up to modern standards, if not (and often well before 50 years).

We have the CFS (52 years old) and the BL (47) past or approaching that time period. The other two are at 25 years old so we can forget about them for now, but not indefinitely. Arguably they’re more important given their capacity, but I agree they just need upgrades to the toilets and concourses, nothing major at the minute.

I accept that any replacement or upgrade becomes difficult to justify financially, and therein lies the problem, especially when the squad has been under invested for a number of years. That must take priority. But I see it more as essential spend to keep developing the clubs infrastructure before we sleepwalk into a situation where the whole lot needs replacing at once!

For me that would consist of a designing & building a new CFS in such a way that it could ultimately be extended around to the BL and then further around the stadium many decades in to the future.

I also agree with TsarBomba that for some of our seats offer far from desirable Matchday experience and that we should at least be aspiring/planning to grow the fan base beyond 22k if we want to develop the club. I don’t think 25k is unachievable if we also had an exciting team (perhaps scoring goals like Dwights more regularly)!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That view perhaps doesn’t sit well with your view of developing the brand and increasing revenues.

Madrid’s proposals look good, albeit like a fancy wall plug from above. As it is, the stadium is heated, as it might be, it could need air con too.

We don't get the basics of ticket selling right as it is, a new, or redeveloped, ground isn't going to help with that.

I've gone over it before but we have a lot of singular seats dotted around the ground, we have adults buying St's on their own in JMU.
The club needs to start resolving those issues first, because they're quick fixes, ground redevelopment needs proper investigation which takes time.
If we are going to knock down the CFS then the club needs to look at filling in those corners at the same time.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

There’s a little bit of a chicken and egg scenario with this.

We don’t sell out because the last few thousand or so seats are in really poor positions, with bad sight lines and open to the elements.

We are desperate for more premium seating, which redevelopment to the BL would bring.

I remember it being posted on here a while ago that the club had the ability to see the amount of fans who had clicked onto the ticketing page, and had gone as far as selecting a seat but had not gone through with the purchase because the options available were limited. The suggestion for the big games was that we could comfortably sell 25k+.

The open to elements issue wouldn't be resolved unless we had a roof, which won't ever happen.
I've been sat in JMU and still gotten wet.
We could replace both the BL and CFS with stands that could have the other 2 corners filled in to make the bowl effect.
That's going to take some long term planning, which is fine.

First we need a product that justifies the outlay and we currently don't have a team that regularly plays the style of football to attract 25k fans.
We don't even have a waiting list for season tickets.

[ŽižkovClaret]

We would never do it, BUT the best redevelopment we could / should do, would be to replace the Longside, Jimmy Mac, and CFS with a big wraparound 3 sided stand with up to date commercial / premium facilities and maybe enough capacity to make the ground around 30k, while keeping the Bob Lord largely as it is, and the character that comes with the view over the hills.

Not least as it would necessitate either a reduction in capacity as we replace one section at a time, or a groundshare elsewhere with a near neighbour for a season while it is done all at once.

Can't see us doing it at Ewood, so where, i wonder?

[ChrisG]

Looks like its going to be in a very cramped environment with buildings all around. Narrow external concourses for 90000 plus fans on matchday. Is there any transport infrastructure development in the city to accompany this? ie getting to/from the stadium. A 21st century project should probably look at the whole package.

Futuristic but Im not sold on this enclosed edifice look. Stamford Bridge plans looked at something similar.

It's being built in the same spot, and only an extra 9k capacity. The area feels surprisingly open given that it's a very built up area. The ground is on an underground line already, estacion Santiago Bernabeu is pretty much where the Park View is to Turf Moor, so very close, and the small increase in capacity isn't going to cause too much of an issue.

Madrid is a major capital city, it's not some third world town like Leeds.