Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

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Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:45 am

Pick your best starting XI from only players who appeared for us in the 3rd or 4th tier of English football.

The game here isn’t to pick the players who performed well for us at this level or who became cult icons. The idea is to pick players who were so good it’s actually surprising they appeared in the lower leagues. So for example, Lee Dixon is light years ahead of Les Thompson even though the latter is -quite rightly- much more fondly remembered among us.

There are plenty of surprisingly good footballers to choose from in a few positions but a dearth in others.

Beresford

Lee Dixon
Vince Overson
Steve Davis mkII
Brian Laws

Leighton James
Mike Phelan
Martin Dobson
Trevor Steven

Ian Wright
Andy Payton

Subs
Glen Little
Billy Hamilton
Brian Flynn
Tommy Hutchison
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ChrisG » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:51 am

Ted McMinn in with a shout for that list I reckon

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:55 am

Nicky Walker in goal

I would argue Steve Davis I in front of Vince

Adrian Heath has to be in there somewhere. And if we are going on how good a player they were rather than what they did when at Burnley, Willie Donachie at left back and you could not leave out Paul Gascoigne or Chris Waddle.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ChrisG » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:59 am

Herts Clarets wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:55 am
Nicky Walker in goal

I would argue Steve Davis I in front of Vince

Adrian Heath has to be in there somewhere. And if we are going on how good a player they were rather than what they did when at Burnley, Willie Donachie at left back and you could not leave out Paul Gascoigne or Chris Waddle.
Good shout with Heath. Think Gazza was Championship level though?

Paul Stewart (as awful as he was for us)?

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:00 pm

Waddle has to be in the te based on my criteria.

Gazza and Stewart were both at 2nd tier.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by joey13 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:01 pm

Didn’t Paul Stewart play for us at championship level?

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ChrisG » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:04 pm

Mitchell Thomas at centre back? He played 150 odd times for Spurs plus appearance in 87 FA Cup final
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:05 pm

By my count we’ve got 6 England internationals, 2 Welshies and a capped Scot.

Might add Alan Harper too.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ChrisG » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:05 pm

joey13 wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:01 pm
Didn’t Paul Stewart play for us at championship level?
He did - I always forget about that brief sojourner in Division 1 under Mullen.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:33 pm

Kevin Hird
Alan Taylor
Kevin Reeves
Joe Gallagher
Steve Daly
Dennis Tueart

Whilst some of the above were crap when they played for us, they had been top tier players prior to joining Burnley.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:07 pm

Good thread, Rowls.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:12 pm

Tony Morley available but as suggested above Waddle or Hutchison would pip him if all were at their best.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:23 pm

There's loads of once great players who briefly ply their trade in the lower divisions. Depends if you mean the best at their peak or when they played for us. Ron Futcher scored more regularly for us than Ian Wright.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:04 pm

I'd have Chris Woods in goal.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:53 pm

Woah woah woaaaahhhhh!!!


Stop

Stop

Stop

SSSSTTTTOOOOPPPPPPP!!!!


Back up a bit and re-start this thread at once.

We all start our lists with:

David Eyres!





And breathe....

Oooooooh
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:19 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:53 pm
Woah woah woaaaahhhhh!!!


Stop

Stop

Stop

SSSSTTTTOOOOPPPPPPP!!!!


Back up a bit and re-start this thread at once.

We all start our lists with:

David Eyres!





And breathe....

Oooooooh
Ahhh but no but.

No.

But no.

This thread isn’t about who was best *for us*.

It’s about the quality of the player at their peak.

Otherwise it’d eyres and little/tinman on the wings.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:23 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:19 pm
Ahhh but no but.

No.

But no.

This thread isn’t about who was best *for us*.

It’s about the quality of the player at their peak.
Chris Waddle was one of the best players in Europe at his peak. And he doesn't make your bench?

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:38 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:23 pm
Chris Waddle was one of the best players in Europe at his peak. And he doesn't make your bench?
You might have to read the whole thread to find out...

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:45 pm

I’d still find a way of getting him on the teamsheet.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:57 pm

Surprised Rocket Ron Futcher hasnt been mentioned....dont know how many goals he scored for us..but it must be 100s 😊

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:59 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:57 pm
Surprised Rocket Ron Futcher hasnt been mentioned....dont know how many goals he scored for us..but it must be 100s 😊
25 in 57 good record that,I liked Rocket.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:01 pm

Lee Dixon on the OP team. He only played one game for us in the old 3rd division.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:01 pm
Lee Dixon on the OP team. He only played one game for us in the old 3rd division.
Yep.

That’s the game.

It’s not “who was best for us” it’s “who were the best players -at their peak- we had who happened to play for us in the 3rd or 4th.”
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by chekhov » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:11 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:12 pm
Tony Morley available but as suggested above Waddle or Hutchison would pip him if all were at their best.
As I remember Tony Morley didn’t appear for us in the 3rd or 4th tier.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:17 pm

chekhov wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:11 pm
As I remember Tony Morley didn’t appear for us in the 3rd or 4th tier.
Had 5 games on loan in ‘88. Came up on another thread a while back.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:33 pm

Great player Morley ............after he left us and went to Villa, :D .....a favourate of mine was Morley...maybe because he cost us £100,000....couldn't believe we had spent so much...i bought an Old English Sheepdog from Nutshaw kennels at Clowbridge in 1978....he was given the name Morley

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:41 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:04 pm
I'd have Chris Woods in goal.
I’m 100% with you there, head and shoulders the best keeper who played for us during that period.

Has anyone mentioned Gordon Cowans for midfield?
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:42 pm

chekhov wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:11 pm
As I remember Tony Morley didn’t appear for us in the 3rd or 4th tier.
On loan from West Brom in 1988. Did nothing other than an outstanding performance at York in the Sherpa.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:41 pm
I’m 100% with you there, head and shoulders the best keeper who played for us during that period.

Has anyone mentioned Gordon Cowans for midfield?
Forgot Woods about Cowans. He'd have to go into central midfield.

Woods wasn't great for us but probably no worse than Beresford. However, he was an England international at his peak and would have won a few more caps if not for Shilton.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:59 pm

Rowls wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:51 pm
Forgot Woods about Cowans. He'd have to go into central midfield.

Woods wasn't great for us but probably no worse than Beresford. However, he was an England international at his peak and would have won a few more caps if not for Shilton.
I still think selling Beresford kept us up because Woods came in.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:59 pm
I still think selling Beresford kept us up because Woods came in.
Not sure I'd go that far but it's miraculous we stayed up that season. Payts and Little were the real key players.

God only knows where we'd be if we'd gone down. It's spine chilling.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Boss Hogg » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:11 pm

Personally think a better thread would be who were the best 3rd/ 4th division players that didn’t play at a higher level. There are too many players that were better elsewhere either before or after playing for us.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by bfcjg » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:13 pm

Ian Wright, touches of sublime skill and brilliance.
For effort and excitement and sheer pace John Francis.
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Stockbrokerbelt » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:35 pm

Can’t believe Ally Pickering or Tony Hancock did not make the list. :D

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by EarbyClaret » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:44 pm

Unless I've missed it no mention of England International Nick Pickering - surely an oversight
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by box_of_frogs » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:44 pm

Sorry, got to have Mike Conroy in for the Div 4 season alone. Fired us to promotion.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Claret Toni » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:18 pm

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EarbyClaret wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:44 pm
Unless I've missed it no mention of England International Nick Pickering - surely an oversight
I'm still trying to get over the sight of Nick Pickering playing for us - does that count ;)

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:39 pm

Has anyone mentioned Billy Hamilton or Tommy Cassidy? didn't they play in the 3rd Division?
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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:17 am

Not the best but crowd pleasers
Paul McGee,George Ohgani,Terry Cochrane and of course Aidy Randell
All had flashes of sublime skill just not for long.George particularly had a great first touch,I am referring to football.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Quicknick » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:35 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:42 pm
On loan from West Brom in 1988. Did nothing other than an outstanding performance at York in the Sherpa.
He played well in his first loan match, at home against Cambridge.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by mdd2 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:58 am

If it is just those who played for us in the 3rd and 4th Leagues that surely rules out James, Davis Mk 2 Beresford, Dobson, Laws, Hamilton, Flynn, Little, McMinn, maybe Heath and a few others?

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by BenWickes » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:20 am

mdd2 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:58 am
If it is just those who played for us in the 3rd and 4th Leagues that surely rules out James, Davis Mk 2 Beresford, Dobson, Laws, Hamilton, Flynn, Little, McMinn, maybe Heath and a few others?
Davis MK2 played for us in division 4 on loan, Beresford, Little, McMinn and Heath definitely played for us in the third tier.

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Post by bfcjg » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:26 am

EarbyClaret wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:44 pm
Unless I've missed it no mention of England International Nick Pickering - surely an oversight
You've just ruined my breakfast, years of hypnotherapy treatment had finally erased him from my psyche and now I have to start again he was awful!! how we managed to sell him on was amazing.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Culmclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:38 am

Alan Stevenson was brilliant in 81/82 in Div 3. Pity he lost his confidence the following season or we may have stayed up. The nightmare goal at Carlisle sticks in the mind.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:44 am

mdd2 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:58 am
If it is just those who played for us in the 3rd and 4th Leagues that surely rules out James, Davis Mk 2 Beresford, Dobson, Laws, Hamilton, Flynn, Little, McMinn, maybe Heath and a few others?
All of those played for us in either of the bottom two divisions or both.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:45 am

Culmclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:38 am
Alan Stevenson was brilliant in 81/82 in Div 3. Pity he lost his confidence the following season or we may have stayed up. The nightmare goal at Carlisle sticks in the mind.
That's the one I always remember at Carlisle and him apologising for it - he'd gone, he was no longer of any use but just 32 at the time. I think he only played a couple of more games and one more would have seen him equal John Angus and Jimmy McIlroy as having played the most post-war league games for us.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Quicknick » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:17 pm

Alan Stevenson's decline was a surprise. 32 was no age, even then, for a goalkeeper. That summer's World Cup winners had a 40-year-old in goal.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Sausage » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:47 pm

Geoff Palmer - played most of his career in the top flight with Wolves and won two League Cups with them. Played for the Clarets in 84/85 as we slid into the Fourth Division.

Peter Hampton too.

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:52 pm

Sausage wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:47 pm
Geoff Palmer - played most of his career in the top flight with Wolves and won two League Cups with them. Played for the Clarets in 84/85 as we slid into the Fourth Division.
Hmmmmmm

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Re: Our Best XI - 3rd/4th Division Players

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:04 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:52 pm
Hmmmmmm
Bit of a cock up on the best-players-who-played-for-us-in-the-34d/4th-tier front

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