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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 5:45 pm

Good work. Maybe the fans who have benefited could club in and buy leisure a new coach.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri May 07, 2021 5:53 pm

Common sense is not common practice , but in this case praise has to go to the owners for enacting common sense.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by dsr » Fri May 07, 2021 6:04 pm

Terrybfc wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 5:42 pm
Confirmed no price increase for phase two.

I think all of us in phase two owe leisure and CT a huge thank you for their tireless work over the past months regarding this matter
I agree. Thanks, Leisure. Thanks, CT.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Brucefanclaret » Fri May 07, 2021 7:03 pm

Thanks, CT and Leisure for all your efforts. Much appreciated. Glad the Club has seen sense on this one.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 7:06 pm

Phase 2 not guaranteed a ST for next season unless government allows full capacity return.
However, supporters are respectfully advised that the club is currently awaiting confirmation from the Government and Public Health England on the exact capacity we will be able to accommodate at Turf Moor for the 2021/22 season, with the club anticipating fixtures could take place with a limited capacity to ensure social distancing measures.

At this stage, the club is therefore unable to guarantee season tickets to the 4,000 supporters who are waiting to secure their seats in the second phase of sales.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Leisure » Fri May 07, 2021 7:10 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:06 pm
Phase 2 not guaranteed a ST for next season unless government allows full capacity return.
Not sure that we would need the Govt to allow full capacity. Even with the full extra 4000 we would only have 14000 ST holders in a ground with a 22000 capacity.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 7:15 pm

Depends what Govt say, I suppose. 50% or less capacity and someone is losing out, whether that be phase 1 or phase 2 renewals.

I have to say the message that 'those who left their money with the club need rewarding', is quite selective, given they've been sat on £190 of mine and Mrs Darth's 19/00 refund for the same period (and had our money up front every March for the past 15 years) but hey ho.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by scouseclaret » Fri May 07, 2021 8:07 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am
May be of interest to other people in “phase two” who want to renew- my Dad emailed the club to let them know he thinks we should get the early bird price given we had a season ticket last time we could watch matches and want one for the next time we can watch matches and received the below nonsense in return:

“ Many thanks for your email.

I appreciate your concerns and your reason for not renewing your season ticket in the midst of the pandemic.

Although we thoroughly appreciate your support, unfortunately as all the communication stated at the time, and what still remains on the website now, we did explain that price freezes would only be guaranteed for those who did renew and kept their money on account for the duration of the current season.

As I’m sure you can appreciate, if we were to grant this along with the several other supporters who are in your position, then this would be unfair on the people who did choose to keep their money with us during the past year, as that was the promise we made to them.

Again, we thank you for your continued support and apologies that we cannot help any further on this matter.

Best wishes,”
Well at least your dad got a response - I didn’t!

My issue was not my own ticket, but my son’s. He was under-10 last season, and because his ticket was free, it wasn’t on the DD scheme - I’d always had to renew over the phone. Obviously, with things being as they were last season, I never bothered to phone them to renew. This year his ticket will be £50, but obviously I found I couldn’t renew.

I therefore emailed them to explain and see it there was anything they could do, and then after a fortnight or so without response, I phoned them.

Now to be fair, whenever I’ve phoned with a problem or request in the past, I’ve always found the ticket office staff very sympathetic and helpful. Sadly, the woman I spoke to on Tuesday was very much of the “computer says no” school of customer care. I would just have to try again on 19th, and when I asked if I would be able to guarantee the same seat, or at least two together, the response was “hopefully - you’ll just have to wait and see.” She just couldn’t wait to get me off the phone. (Am I even allowed to have a ticket without a child in the JMU??)

Hopefully today’s announcements are an acknowledgment that they’ve completely f@@ked up and will herald an improvement in their customer service.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 8:26 pm

Ok so let’s see if I’ve got this right. I couldn’t renew in March 2020 as early bird period closed early. I am now having to wait another week until May 24th to place a “deposit” on my seat (which I have had for over 20 years paying up front every year). I have £95 “on account”. Goodness only knows whether I can use some of that to pay my £10.
I am also a little disappointed that those of us in phase 2 with such a long history of season tickets (myself about 40 years) have no chance of attending the Liverpool game (not that I would have bothered with the stadium being so empty).

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 8:45 pm

And to explain further. I always renew my season ticket IN FULL very near the end of the early bird period. I think that is good wise use of my money. I choose to pay in full as it helps me budget. Many others have obviously used the DD option and have given their money to the club over a period of time and therefore LATER than I usually do. Rant over.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 9:08 pm

Whitgord wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:26 pm
Ok so let’s see if I’ve got this right. I couldn’t renew in March 2020 as early bird period closed early. I am now having to wait another week until May 24th to place a “deposit” on my seat (which I have had for over 20 years paying up front every year). I have £95 “on account”. Goodness only knows whether I can use some of that to pay my £10.
I am also a little disappointed that those of us in phase 2 with such a long history of season tickets (myself about 40 years) have no chance of attending the Liverpool game (not that I would have bothered with the stadium being so empty).
Yes you seem to have that completely right. What exactly are you whinging about?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 9:12 pm

Just feel that the 4000 phase 2 fans are being treated poorly. Albeit penalise us if and when we have had a chance to renew.
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 9:14 pm

Whitgord wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:12 pm
Just feel that the 4000 phase 2 fans are being treated poorly. Albeit penalise us if and when we have had a chance to renew.
How are you being penalised?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 9:17 pm

Riley . Quite simply I may not be able to have a season ticket for next season through no reasonable fault of my own.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri May 07, 2021 9:18 pm

I think they’ve made a common sense decision to not up the prices for those in phase two in terms of the pricing.

With the tickets for Liverpool, I would like to go but they did make the criteria clear a few months ago should any games be available this season so it’s fair enough really.
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 9:20 pm

Whitgord, I don't have a problem with the free Liverpool tickets for those who renewed for 20/21. That can be the reward for leaving money with the club.You've already said that you wouldn't have been interested anyway so wheres the harm?

I do take issue with Phase 2 fans effectively looking at a ballot for their seats if the government decide there is a restriction in capacity, though. The club has had my money, in full, every March for 15 years and have been sat on my refund for 19/20 as per yourself. Needless to say, that'll be pulled on Monday given this new development.

As for Phase 3 general sales, surely that is now null and void?

It will certainly be interesting if the government decide there is to be anything less than 50% capacity allowed. When everyone is into a ballot for their seats there'll be some real fireworks.
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 9:21 pm

Darthlaw I agree.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 9:23 pm

Whitgord wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:17 pm
Riley . Quite simply I may not be able to have a season ticket for next season through no reasonable fault of my own.
The only way you will not be able to have a season ticket next season is if there isn’t a seat available for you to sit on due to government imposed restrictions. This ‘it’s not fair’ attitude is so childish and whiny. Whilst it’s not exactly through a any fault of your own, surely you can understand that the people who actually purchased a season ticket should not have to forfeit it for people who may or may not have purchased one, but definitely didn’t. Ditto the Liverpool ballot.

The club are asking for a deposit to prevent fans from handing over large sums of money again for something that they may not be able to redeem due to the uncertainty. Can you not see the logic and fairness in any of this?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 9:27 pm

Riley. I can only assume you are in phase 1. I would have been if they had not taken the tickets off sale with no warning before the advertised end of the early bird period. Anyway let’s hope it is all irrelevant and we are back together cheering on our team in August.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 9:33 pm

Whitgord wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:27 pm
Riley. I can only assume you are in phase 1. I would have been if they had not taken the tickets off sale with no warning before the advertised end of the early bird period. Anyway let’s hope it is all irrelevant and we are back together cheering on our team in August.
It’s irrelevant what phase I’m in. I’m pointing out the fundamental flaws in your argument. I genuinely don’t know what you’re moaning about. Are you not pleased about the price freeze?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 9:34 pm

Whitgord wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:27 pm
Riley. I can only assume you are in phase 1. I would have been if they had not taken the tickets off sale with no warning before the advertised end of the early bird period. Anyway let’s hope it is all irrelevant and we are back together cheering on our team in August.
For clarity mate, the renewal window was extended, on 24th March, to go beyond the end of the original early bird deadline of the 31st March.They also confirmed they would be open for 'the foreseeable future'.

At some point (thought to be in June) the club closed the renewal window, without warning.

Ultimately it's all down to the government now to see if we all get on. I hope, for the benefit of Phase 1 renewals, there are no restrictions to less than 50% of capacity otherwise I expect certain posters 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes to make a sharp U-Turn.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 9:36 pm

Delighted with price freeze.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 9:38 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:34 pm
For clarity mate, the renewal window was extended, on 24th March, to go beyond the end of the original early bird deadline of the 31st March.They also confirmed they would be open for 'the foreseeable future'.

At some point (thought to be in June) the club closed the renewal window, without warning.

Ultimately it's all down to the government now to see if we all get on. I hope, for the benefit of Phase 1 renewals, there are no restrictions to less than 50% of capacity otherwise I expect certain posters 'I'm alright Jack' attitudes to make a sharp U-Turn.
If you’re including me in the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude then you’re completely wrong. Because if attendances are limited for reasons out of the club’s control then I would completely understand that I may not be able to attend every game. That’s perfectly fair, and I’m a fair person. I obviously wouldn’t be happy to lose my seat to a non-season ticket holder, but that would be unfair wouldn’t it.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Whitgord » Fri May 07, 2021 9:47 pm

Thanks Darthlaw. That makes sense about the timing of the sales window. I do remember thinking when we went into lockdown (23 March 2020) that the club would clarify the situation eventually about the earlybird situation. I think most people were then very nervous about paying for something that they were not sure was going to take place. Certainly by the end of April it wasn’t looking good. I honestly cannot remember ( but I believe it was before the end of March and after lockdown started, trying to renew and being unable). It will be interesting to see how many of the 4000 of us in phase 2 indicate that we are still wanting to renew. I don’t believe I am alone in my situation. Is anyone else out there, ready and waiting to pay your £10 like me?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 9:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:38 pm
I obviously wouldn’t be happy to lose my seat to a non-season ticket holder, but that would be unfair wouldn’t it.
True. It would be fair to offer the seats in order of those who left their money with the club for the longest duration, using the clubs logic.

1st - Those who paid in full, in order of their ST price.
2nd - Those who paid by DD in order of their ST price and left / spent their 19/20 refund with the club.
3rd - Those who pay by DD in order of their ST price.
4th - Phase 2 renewers
5th - General sale.

That would be fair to say those who supported the club the most should get priority, wouldnt it?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:00 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 9:57 pm
True. It would be fair to offer the seats in order of those who left their money with the club for the longest duration, using the clubs logic.

1st - Those who paid in full, in order of their ST price.
2nd - Those who paid by DD in order of their ST price and left / spent their 19/20 refund with the club.
3rd - Those who pay by DD in order of their ST price.
4th - Phase 2 renewers
5th - General sale.

That would be fair to say those who supported the club the most should get priority, wouldnt it?
:lol:

Or maybe we just do it as we’ve always done it where season ticket holders get priority access to matches.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:00 pm
:lol:

Or maybe we just do it as we’ve always done it where season ticket holders get priority access to matches.
Good luck with that, when the government decide theres less than 10k capacity allowed at TM matches.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:03 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 pm
Good luck with that, when there's 9k tickets to go around and 10k ST holders.
In which case the 10,000 season ticket holders would have an equal and fair chance of getting one of the 9,000 tickets. I don’t see your point?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 10:05 pm

The club has decided those who left their money with the club get priority. The next step logically is those who left the most.

I'd be happy with that, if we're giving priority based solely upon renewal behaviour of 20/21.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:05 pm
The club has decided those who left their money with the club get priority. The next step logically is those who left the most.

I'd be happy with that, if we're giving priority based solely upon renewal behaviour of 20/21.
You’re either misunderstanding or just being disingenuous. The club are giving priority to season ticket holders, not those who left their money with the club.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by agreenwood » Fri May 07, 2021 10:09 pm

Forget Phase 2, if I’m reading this right, there’s no guarantee that those who renewed in Phase 1 will have a seat for 2021/22?
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 10:10 pm

But if there are less than 10k match day tickets (which the club has already admitted it has no idea over) then there aren't any Season Ticket's to sell.

Or are you aware of something which means you know you have the guaranteed option to attend every home game next season?

EDIT - agreenwood gets it.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:14 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:10 pm
But if there are less than 10k match day tickets (which the club has already admitted it has no idea over) then there aren't any Season Ticket's to sell.

Or are you aware of something which means you know you have the guaranteed option to attend every home game next season?

EDIT - agreenwood gets it.
Of course there are season tickets to sell. The club have already sold over 10,000. Whether all 10,000 fans will be able to attend every game is a different matter.

Not sure where I suggested that I would have the guaranteed option to attend every home game?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 10:20 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:14 pm

Not sure where I suggested that I would have the guaranteed option to attend every home game?
Is that not the concept of a season ticket, i.e. you have a guaranteed ticket for each home game of the season?

If you miss any games next season, through being unsuccessful in a ballot, would you consider that you owned a 'Season Ticket'?

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:25 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:20 pm
Is that not the concept of a season ticket, i.e. you have a guaranteed ticket for each home game of the season?

If you miss any games next season, through being unsuccessful in a ballot, would you consider that you owned a 'Season Ticket'?
Yes, of course I would. Because I would be in possession of a season ticket that I paid for. Strange question.

Having a seat guarantees you a seat up to a point. Without boring myself by reading the T&C’s I’d imagine there’s a clause relating to ‘force majeure’ which would be a understandable reason why I may not get to use my guaranteed seat.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 10:32 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:25 pm
Yes, of course I would. Because I would be in possession of a season ticket that I paid for. Strange question.

Having a seat guarantees you a seat up to a point. Without boring myself by reading the T&C’s I’d imagine there’s a clause relating to ‘force majeure’ which would be a understandable reason why I may not get to use my guaranteed seat.
I think your definition of a season ticket would be in the minority.

Anyway, it's a pointless argument. As Agreenwood rightly points out, those who have renewed arent even guaranteed attendance at this point let alone phase 2 renewers.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:38 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:32 pm
I think your definition of a season ticket would be in the minority.

Anyway, it's a pointless argument. As Agreenwood rightly points out, those who have renewed arent even guaranteed attendance at this point let alone phase 2 renewers.
I think most people would share my definition of a season ticket. As we keep hearing, these are unprecedented times, so the situation is a little different to normal.

Agree with your second paragraph, I never said anyone was guaranteed a seat. I was arguing the fairness of season ticket holders having priority access to games.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by agreenwood » Fri May 07, 2021 10:46 pm

It could potentially be very complex for those in Phase 1.

There’s a chance the Govt won’t allow the club to house all 10k season ticket holders and the attendance will be determined by a ballot. I presume they’d have to weight the ballot in some way to avoid some poor sod being on a roll of bad luck and missing out week after week, but would they also need to partially refund those ST holders for games they miss out on?

Could get really messy.
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:47 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:46 pm
It could potentially be very complex for those in Phase 1.

There’s a chance the Govt won’t allow the club to house all 10k season ticket holders and the attendance will be determined by a ballot. I presume they’d have to weight the ballot in some way to avoid some poor sod being on a roll of bad luck and missing out week after week, but would they also need to partially refund those ST holders for games they miss out on?

Could get really messy.
Which is why I suspect they are only taking very small deposits for those in Phase 2, until the situation becomes clear.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 07, 2021 10:50 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:38 pm
I think most people would share my definition of a season ticket. As we keep hearing, these are unprecedented times, so the situation is a little different to normal.
Hopefully you get to enjoy a few games next season with your 'season ticket' in that case.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 10:52 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:50 pm
Hopefully you get to enjoy a few games next season with your 'season ticket' in that case.
Hopefully all season ticket holders and non season ticket holders will be get to enjoy all the games next season because it’ll be great to get back to a full house.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Loyalclaret » Fri May 07, 2021 10:57 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 10:46 pm
It could potentially be very complex for those in Phase 1.

There’s a chance the Govt won’t allow the club to house all 10k season ticket holders and the attendance will be determined by a ballot. I presume they’d have to weight the ballot in some way to avoid some poor sod being on a roll of bad luck and missing out week after week, but would they also need to partially refund those ST holders for games they miss out on?

Could get really messy.
Sounds like how it was proposed that they were going to do the ballot the first time. You get a ticket, you're not eligible for the next ballot. The money would be deducted from your balance and presumably you'd have (even more) credit at the end of the season.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by jrgbfc » Fri May 07, 2021 11:01 pm

Not sure how the government could justify such big restrictions by August if everyone is jabbed and death rates are virtually zero. They're also planning on having at least 45 thousand at Wembley for the later stages of the Euros.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 11:04 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 11:01 pm
Not sure how the government could justify such big restrictions by August if everyone is jabbed and death rates are virtually zero. They're also planning on having at least 45 thousand at Wembley for the later stages of the Euros.
I think the club are just being cautious until the restrictions have actually been lifted. Which is understandable given the palava caused last time round.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by dsr » Fri May 07, 2021 11:43 pm

If they only have 10,000 season tickets but 14,000 season ticket renewals, I think it would be fairer to allow each season ticket holder to attend 10/14ths of the matches rather than let the 10,000 go to every game and the 4,000 be shut out completely. Perhaps more pertinently, it would be better business as well, because if the 4,000 are shut out for another season there is every chance they will never be back.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Rileybobs » Fri May 07, 2021 11:51 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 11:43 pm
If they only have 10,000 season tickets but 14,000 season ticket renewals, I think it would be fairer to allow each season ticket holder to attend 10/14ths of the matches rather than let the 10,000 go to every game and the 4,000 be shut out completely. Perhaps more pertinently, it would be better business as well, because if the 4,000 are shut out for another season there is every chance they will never be back.
As an ‘I’m alright Jack’ supporter I’d be perfectly happy with that. Equally, I wouldn’t say that it would be unfair if the people who renewed in Phase 1 had priority. But I don’t think that anyone wants fans to be lost through this, although undoubtedly some will. I’m sure we all want to get back to a packed out Turf Moor, hopefully in August.

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Elizabeth » Sat May 08, 2021 12:12 am

I think this is great news about no price increase for phase 2 if I’ve read everything correctly . I think it’s a big success for the Supporters Club and Burnley FC.
As I’ve already gone on record to support Leisure and Tony before this big decision was made by the club all that’s left for me to say again is ‘ the person who wins is the person who thinks he can win ‘. For these people they work tirelessly and fearlessly. They rise above their natural fears.
Yeh , it can be seen as a bit of a cliche by the cynics but in my life I’ve seen it happen so many times.
And yes I’m being the drama Queen I call out normally. I’m so pleased !!

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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by claretstheway » Sat May 08, 2021 7:29 am

Me & my father have been season ticket holders since 1988, we always pay the full amount during the early bird period. Since getting season tickets we have introduced another 8 family & friends & we all sit in a row together. Some pay DD some pay like me all up front. Under new rules we could have some able to attend & some in Phase 2 renewal & not guaranteed a seat. If this happens then unfortunately that will be it for me & I will take the desicion that enough is enough & turn my back on football. People will not believe I could make this decision as I'm claret & blue through & through but it feels like the biggest disregard the club have made in my 33 years as a season ticket holder.
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by Grumps » Sat May 08, 2021 7:36 am

claretstheway wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 7:29 am
Me & my father have been season ticket holders since 1988, we always pay the full amount during the early bird period. Since getting season tickets we have introduced another 8 family & friends & we all sit in a row together. Some pay DD some pay like me all up front. Under new rules we could have some able to attend & some in Phase 2 renewal & not guaranteed a seat. If this happens then unfortunately that will be it for me & I will take the desicion that enough is enough & turn my back on football. People will not believe I could make this decision as I'm claret & blue through & through but it feels like the biggest disregard the club have made in my 33 years as a season ticket holder.
From what I've read, you'd only lose out If the government restricts the number allowed to attend, hardly the clubs fault. If all goes as planned and the ground can allow everyone in, then all should be ok, shouldn't it?.
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Re: Season Ticket Question

Post by claretstheway » Sat May 08, 2021 7:53 am

Surely the fairest way, is allow everyone that wants a season ticket to purchase one & however they pay for it & then ballot out however many tickets are available between all season ticket holders. It shouldn't matter how you pay to prove how loyal a supporter you are & it certainly feels from the club that they have split the support into DD payers & the premium supporters, all others next level supprters
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