Ben Gibson

[boatshed bill]

Surely, if the deal was in place, if Norwich have damaged the goods it's their problem?

[Devils_Advocate]

The problem is that you never "simply ask" anything.
You just love to wind people up, and then I presume, enjoy it when you get the response you had been hoping for, and then trying to make out that you are hard done by when challenged.

Sometimes you need to act your age instead of your shoe size. Give it a rest mate.

Lets say I was on the wind up then why would the question I asked wind people up and how in any way is it having a go at Burnley, Dyche or people on here?

This is the bit I cant get my head around as even if my question wasnt genuine why would you and others react and care?

I put it to you that it is people who get themselves upset about a simple question on a messageboard that need to act their age cos its a bit immature

[Chester Perry]

£8m would be very welcome by the club I'm sure but it's concerning that we're looking at a potential loss of £7m unless ive missed something.

It is believed that the quoted £15m was maximum value of the deal including if all conditional elements were met - a number of posters on here here have previously suggested that many of those conditions have not been met. - let us suppose that the final transaction price for us was £13m (including conditional payments that have been met). In accounting practice the 4 year deal would be subject to straight line amortisation of £3.25m per year - the end of this season will see 3 yeas of the four completed leaving £3.25m as the book value for Gibson - A sale of £8m would then show as a £4.75m profit and £8m into the cash flow.

[Silkyskills1]

Do you think Burnley strolled to promotion in 15/16 as easily have Norwich have done this year?

If you do then thats your answer to my question and I disagree.

If you dont then can you remember a team who has got promoted with such ease after relegation?

Thats all I was simply asking

What question was that? You made a suggestion that 'key moments' gained us promotion. Are we the only club to have been on the right side of 'key moments'? Perhaps the Canaries have had some over the last 40 games,I don't know. I expect your research puts you 'in the know',however.

[pompeyclaret]

Dawson just made his loan permanent at West ham after playing x number of games so don't see the difference ref Gibson.

[boatshed bill]

What question was that? You made a suggestion that 'key moments' gained us promotion. Are we the only club to have been on the right side of 'key moments'? Perhaps the Canaries have had some over the last 40 games,I don't know. I expect your research puts you 'in the know',however.

Whilst I'm not sure about this, I think he's parodying our manager.

[chekhov]

The poster with the username Devil’s advocate must love all the attention that gets heaped upon him by other members of the board. He does a great job!

[Devils_Advocate]

What question was that? You made a suggestion that 'key moments' gained us promotion. Are we the only club to have been on the right side of 'key moments'? Perhaps the Canaries have had some over the last 40 games,I don't know. I expect your research puts you 'in the know',however.

This was the question I asked

Dont know the answer but has any manager managed to get back into the Premier League with such ease after relegation as Daniel Farke has done this season?

My comment about key moments was in the context of people making it about a contest between Dyche and Farke and stating our promotion was an easy one.

In the last 8 games we got injury time equalisers against the two teams we just about beat to promotion. This wasnt a criticism of our promotion but just stating a fact that we had to battle and perform really well to just about pip the other two teams to the title.

Be honest for a second and drop the attitude and answer me this. If Norwich get promoted with 4 or 5 games to spare and finish 15 points clear of 3rd place would that not be considered as a more comfortable promotion than one where it goes down to the wire with 3 good teams?

[Summerseat Claret]

Setting aside whether Norwich are obliged to sign him or not, I really hope that Gibson makes a full recovery for the start of next season.

Whilst things obviously haven't worked out for him at Burnley, he has gone to Norwich, played a lot, and really earned his chance to play in the Premiership again. It would be a real shame if he were denied by injury again, especially after a run of untimely injuries just when he might have got his chance to make starts for us.

[dsr]

A lot of deals are done like this now with a one year loan followed by a permanent move. Danny Ings from Liverpool to Southampton was like that.

I’m sure there will be clauses in the loan deal should a permanent deal not go through.

As I remember it, southampton were committed to the purchase right from the start. I know some of their fans were hoping that he wouldn't be signed, because of a slow start or an early injury or something in his loan season, and the consensus on their board was that they were committed to buying him no matter what.

Surely if part of the deal was that Norwich must buy him for £8m if they get promotion, that his injury in the meantime will be irrelevant. That deal was made last summer. Norwich's risk, and presumably Norwich's insurance policy.

[Devils_Advocate]

The poster with the username Devil’s advocate must love all the attention that gets heaped upon him by other members of the board. He does a great job!

It might surprise you to know Id have rather people either answered my question sensibly or just ignored it if they didnt have a view or an interest.

If you'd have been correct however you do realise you'd have been giving me even more of that attention I crave so well played sir

[Zlatan]

It might surprise you to know Id have rather people either answered my question sensibly or just ignored it if they didnt have a view or an interest.

If you'd have been correct however you do realise you'd have been giving me even more of that attention I crave so well played sir

I did answer it sensibly, as you well know DA.

Sean Dyche is the obvious answer, but I suspect you knew that anyway

But you took umbrage that I said “obvious” and followed up with my other comment.

I did apologise for the extra comment, although you’re doing nothing to disprove me.

As for SD being the obvious answer - it still is. There cannot be that many managers who have come straight back up with the same club, and the fact that this is a Burnley forum does indeed make this an obvious answer, does it not?

[Devils_Advocate]

I did answer it sensibly, as you well know DA.


But you took umbrage that I said “obvious” and followed up with my other comment.

I did apologise for the extra comment, although you’re doing nothing to disprove me.

As for SD being the obvious answer - it still is. There cannot be that many managers who have come straight back up with the same club, and the fact that this is a Burnley forum does indeed make this an obvious answer, does it not?

Im not having a dig at you or your comment here but I've had lots of people firing at me with all sorts of nonsense which was nothing to do with the question I originally asked

I didnt mind your comment and was quite happy to have a couple of back and forths but some of the other stuff is just pathetic and people are still going on an on when I've explained myself plenty of times and even challenged them to tell me why someone could get wound up from my initial post

As for Dyche being the obvious answer then I disagree with you becsause our promotion was a hard fought battle and IMO no way did we breeze our way to promotion like Norwich are doing*

*for any idiots out there that is not a criticism of Dyche or the great achievement of winning the title

[Silkyskills1]

'Be honest for a second and drop the attitude'

Never done the latter since I was 10 years old. That was 1962 so it won't be happening here.

[Stayingup]

It still wrankles that we spent £15 million for what turned out to be a bench warmer. Spending that amount should guarantee a first team place.

[Leisure]

It still wrankles that we spent £15 million for what turned out to be a bench warmer. Spending that amount should guarantee a first team place.

But at some of the clubs in the PL it wouldn't even guarantee a place on the bench!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It still wrankles that we spent £15 million for what turned out to be a bench warmer. Spending that amount should guarantee a first team place.

It doesn't anywhere else, why should it here?
Using that logic Kepa should still be first choice at Chelsea.

[CFS]

Dont know the answer but has any manager managed to get back into the Premier League with such ease after relegation as Daniel Farke has done this season?

It will be interesting to see if he can make that next level by keeping them up at the second attempt as he looks like one hell of a manager but still has that question to answer

Don't think iv seen a side bounce back up with so much ease regardless of our 23 undefeated record. We scraped through with some dire football against dire teams that's not walking the league in my eyes. Farke doing a great job.

[Rileybobs]

We scraped through with some dire football against dire teams that's not walking the league in my eyes.

Scraped through with some dire football?

5 points clear of third and 5 defeats all season suggests otherwise.

[CFS]

Scraped through with some dire football?

5 points clear of third and 5 defeats all season suggests otherwise.

The football we played was awful imo effective but awful to watch.

[Targetman]

Don't think iv seen a side bounce back up with so much ease regardless of our 23 undefeated record. We scraped through with some dire football against dire teams that's not walking the league in my eyes. Farke doing a great job.

You dont go half a season unbeaten playing dire football.

[JarrowClaret]

Ignoring Burnley and answering the asked question yes Newcastle went up (twice I think although could be wrong) with consummate ease the season after relegation.

[Chester Perry]

Ignoring Burnley and answering the asked question yes Newcastle went up (twice I think although could be wrong) with consummate ease the season after relegation.

The last time with a Championship wage bill of around £106m, they spent less on wages in the Premier League the following season

[CFS]

You dont go half a season unbeaten playing dire football.

You do and we did.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Every now and again you think stupidity has reached its highest level then someone comes along and knocks it that bit higher.

Good effort cfs

[Devils_Advocate]

Ignoring Burnley and answering the asked question yes Newcastle went up (twice I think although could be wrong) with consummate ease the season after relegation.

Just had a look and in 09/10 they did indeed walk it gaining promotion at start of April and finishing with over 100pts and over 20pts clear of 3rd.

16/17 was a bit tighter and more akin to our title winning season but 09/10 looked even more comfortable than Norwich this season

[Woodleyclaret]

Never needed here and with his attitude we are well shut
I dont care if he plays again or not but we should get our £8m paid out as soon as promotion for Norwich is confirmed

[JarrowClaret]

The last time with a Championship wage bill of around £106m, they spent less on wages in the Premier League the following season

As much as you are correct Chester and although they recouped the fees with sales of the likes of Sissoko etc they spent fortunes on transfer fees as well. Did they win the Championship with ease? most definitely of course with the wages etc they should have done as well but that wasn’t the question!

[Stalbansclaret]

Every now and again you think stupidity has reached its highest level then someone comes along and knocks it that bit higher.

Good effort cfs

I well remember the sheer grim direness as I watched the Claret juggernaut steamroll MK Dons 5-0 and Brentford 4-1 inside 4 days in early 2016.

[Chester Perry]

As much as you are correct Chester and although they recouped the fees with sales of the likes of Sissoko etc they spent fortunes on transfer fees as well. Did they win the Championship with ease? most definitely of course with the wages etc they should have done as well but that wasn’t the question!

not disputing that, or DA's original point too

[JarrowClaret]

Just on another note DA as highlighted one of personal gripes with this board and with life in general if honest!

We always seem to assume that there is a hidden agenda in the words i find it hugely frustrating when I am told I am trying to say something totally different to what I actually said. DA may have a history of doing wind up posts or whatever I don’t know I don’t study other peoples posts enough to have an opinion, but who cares? Ignore it and move on it will soon disappear if we all do that.

I couldn’t care care less about hidden agendas just respond to the words said or written and ignore what you THINK the words mean as it just causes pointless and unnecessarily tit for tat arguments which ultimately make this board and life as a whole unbearable at times well to me anyway.

[JarrowClaret]

not disputing that, or DA's original point too

I am still amazed at how Newcastle fans react about the money that Ashley has thrown at that Club and how he has stabilised them debt wise etc. They crave for the days of the Sir John Halls and Freddie Shepherds because they weee locals. They conveniently forget about them being ridiculed by one of them 2s Family members can’t remember which but can remember the story and the masses of debt the Club was straddled with by them, crazy.

[dsr]

Don't think iv seen a side bounce back up with so much ease regardless of our 23 undefeated record. We scraped through with some dire football against dire teams that's not walking the league in my eyes.

Ironic you should post that in reply to a post by Devil's Advocate!

I think perhaps you're confusing us with Middlesbrough.

[diamondpocket]

MIXED football is what it was!

[CFS]

Every now and again you think stupidity has reached its highest level then someone comes along and knocks it that bit higher.

Good effort cfs

Enjoy watching dross that's not for me I call it how I see it.

[CFS]

Ironic you should post that in reply to a post by Devil's Advocate!

I think perhaps you're confusing us with Middlesbrough.

Not confused at the slightest. My opinion is mine to have if you don't like it deal with it. I whole heartedly believe we played awful football.

[CFS]

MIXED football is what it was!

11 behind the ball is hardly mixing.

[claretonthecoast1882]

11 behind the ball is hardly mixing.

Dross and 11 men behind the ball, you are like a poor version of DA and that takes some doing.

A bit of context to your 11 men behind the ball though

We won more games than anyone that season
We won more points than anyone that season
Nobody scored more goals than us all season
Nobody lost fewer games than us all season

Think most people get you don't like Dyche (or Burnley that much) but what you put is clearly ********

[CFS]

Dross and 11 men behind the ball, you are like a poor version of DA and that takes some doing.

A bit of context to your 11 men behind the ball though

We won more games than anyone that season
We won more points than anyone that season
Nobody scored more goals than us all season
Nobody lost fewer games than us all season

Think most people get you don't like Dyche (or Burnley that much) but what you put is clearly ********

The football was wrong.

[Jakubclaret]

I am still amazed at how Newcastle fans react about the money that Ashley has thrown at that Club and how he has stabilised them debt wise etc. They crave for the days of the Sir John Halls and Freddie Shepherds because they weee locals. They conveniently forget about them being ridiculed by one of them 2s Family members can’t remember which but can remember the story and the masses of debt the Club was straddled with by them, crazy.

Being financially stable & having no success is scant consolation, the money that should be generated if you was to ask any average geordie they wouldn’t mind owing a few quid with the odd trophy thrown in, it’s been a stagnant situation for a number of years which is a shame I do consider the catchment area to be large & loyal to 1 club & 1 club only.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The football was wrong.

Winning football is wrong?

[claretonthecoast1882]

The football was wrong.

The something wrong isn't the football

[Devils_Advocate]

Winning football is wrong?

It is to some as i've seen a few people on here state how they would hate to have to support and watch Man City because of how boring the football is to watch.

[BenWickes]

The football was wrong.

Just plucking one game out. Brentford away. Possibly the best I'd seen us play in years. Some of the fluid football was a pleasure to watch.
That's just the one game.

[CFS]

Winning football is wrong?

Not good to watch.

[CFS]

Just plucking one game out. Brentford away. Possibly the best I'd seen us play in years. Some of the fluid football was a pleasure to watch.
That's just the one game.

Out of 46 you pull out 1 game fair play lad.

[Bordeauxclaret]

It wasn’t the most exciting football overall, I’d wager we were far more entertaining two years prior, but it was certainly effective.

The aim was to get back up and we worked hard for it, relentless was the word often used wasn’t it?

[CFS]

It wasn’t the most exciting football overall, I’d wager we were far more entertaining two years prior, but it was certainly effective.

The aim was to get back up and we worked hard for it, relentless was the word often used wasn’t it?

Definitely effective.

[BenWickes]

Out of 46 you pull out 1 game fair play lad.

Wow! One of many that season. However it was you who suggested the football was wrong all season. I gave you one of many that wasn't. It either was or it wasn't. I just gave you one game as an example as you clearly think the football was wrong all season.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Definitely effective.

Certainly was, if we’d have played more open football would we have gone up? Who knows.
What we do know is we were the best team in the league that season.