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Re: Albania v England

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:52 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:49 pm
Pope gets his patented dying swan in!!
Tbf...Tom patented the Dying swan.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by CaptainKirk » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:53 pm

In a game with almost nothing to do, Pope has managed to go backwards and reinforce Pickford’s position as No1.
He needs some serious saves to make next week.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:53 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:52 pm
Let’s hear it for Nick - the most successful keeper of all time in his first 6 games
Exactly that.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by clansman » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:53 pm

6 clean sheets in a row a record start for any English keeper and all people talk about are his feet!!
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Re: Albania v England

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Nick,first England keeper to get 6 consecutive clean sheets since his debut
Maguire caused some problem getting in the way from a cross but otherwise a solid performance.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by beddie » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Sterling would score a lot more goals if he had a first touch. I thought Stones had another excllent game as did Rice.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:43 pm
Unfortunately players such as Robert Lewandowski wouldn't have given Pope a chance with the opportunity presented to Albania in the first few minutes.
Isn't NP allowed to make saves from Lewandowski, then?
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Re: Albania v England

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:55 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:53 pm
In a game with almost nothing to do, Pope has managed to go backwards and reinforce Pickford’s position as No1.
He needs some serious saves to make next week.
So in your expert Opinion. What Would Pickford have done Differently?

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Re: Albania v England

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:55 pm

That grass was like playing on the Hard Platts. Cultured distributor like Nick has to be blameless surely

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:59 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:41 pm
This proves the genuine dilemma that Southgate faces. Because Pope has now played in two consecutive games where he hasn’t had a single save to make. Which goes to show that as an England goalkeeper, in a lot of games, a substantial part of your contribution will be with your feet. That’s just a fact.
Absolutely it is a fact alongside the fact that in a tournament when it really matters and you want a keeper with composure and ability not to make a balls up Pope is far more trustworthy than anyone else.

I don’t get this kicking nonsense tbh as games like that one just gone you need someone reliable to make saves and protect the goal first and foremost. In games against the top countries you need a keeper more trustworthy. So basically Pope’s your man for all occasions.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:01 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:59 pm
Absolutely it is a fact alongside the fact that in a tournament when it really matters and you want a keeper with composure and ability not to make a balls up Pope is far more trustworthy than anyone else.

I don’t get this kicking nonsense tbh as games like that one just gone you need someone reliable to make saves and protect the goal first and foremost. In games against the top countries you need a keeper more trustworthy. So basically Pope’s your man for all occasions.
Absolutely.
Though Pickford hasn't done badly himself, really.
N P did give a decent chance at the end with a very poor kick.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:02 pm

He needs some action !

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Re: Albania v England

Post by CaptainKirk » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:03 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:55 pm
So in your expert Opinion. What Would Pickford have done Differently?
Why so aggressive, although I realise that is normal on here.
I never claimed to be an expert, but I am allowed an opinion like anyone else and whether you like it or not his distribution could have been better.
I am speaking as someone who wanted him to save two penalties and make two point blank saves before the game started but he was never going to get that chance today.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:04 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:02 pm
He needs some action !
#me to :D

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Re: Albania v England

Post by expoultryboy » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:04 pm

Harry erm kane

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:01 pm
Absolutely.
Though Pickford hasn't done badly himself, really.
N P did give a decent chance at the end with a very poor kick.
The decent chance you mention was caused by Walker, I think taking a quick throw in 3 minutes into added time of a game we are winning 2 nil. Absolute nonsense taking a throw like that to put your keeper under pressure tbh.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:05 pm

If our pro Nick Pope argument is based on believing he is better than Jordan Pickford then fine.
If our argument is that Pickford is crap then it doesn't stand up.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:05 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:03 pm
Why so aggressive, although I realise that is normal on here.
I never claimed to be an expert, but I am allowed an opinion like anyone else and whether you like it or not his distribution could have been better.
I am speaking as someone who wanted him to save two penalties and make two point blank saves before the game started but he was never going to get that chance today.
Aggressive?

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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:07 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:04 pm
The decent chance you mention was caused by Walker, I think taking a quick throw in 3 minutes into added time of a game we are winning 2 nil. Absolute nonsense taking a throw like that to put your keeper under pressure tbh.
Maybe so, but the ball out by Pope was terrible.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:07 pm

Take off the blinkers guys. Pope deserves the number one shirt for the form that he’s shown at club level over the past couple of years. But tonight seriously highlighted his biggest weakness, and in a game where he had almost nothing to do, he misplaced a number of passes and could easily have gifted a goal in the dying minutes. Not to mention needlessly clattering Maguire earlier.

Whether you think that a goalkeeper being able to kick the ball is important or not is irrelevant, because it’s a fact that for England it is important. I hope that he performs a lot better on Wednesday, and as I said above, he really needs some saves to make as that is obviously his biggest strength.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by IanMcL » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:12 pm

Pitch bumpy.

Pope looked massive when ge stood firm for tge golden chance they had. Also knew precisely where he was when the shot was over his hands.

Pickford has not got that presence nor does he always get best position.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:12 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:07 pm
Not to mention needlessly clattering Maguire earlier.
It’s his area, his decision. If Slabhead is in his way - tough
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Re: Albania v England

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:13 pm

Guller Bull wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:30 pm
Hopefully that game will see Nick get plenty of action and cement his starting place at the Euros.
It would be nice to think so, but I suspect even if he had a blinder, Southgate will go with Pickford. Time will tell.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:14 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:07 pm
Not to mention needlessly clattering Maguire earlier.
I think you probably had blinkers over your eyes if you think the Maguire thing is the keepers fault. It’s the keepers ball all day and god knows what Maguire is actually doing there.

There’s no doubt Pope can improve his kicking but his job is to keep clean sheets and that’s 6 in a row. Let’s see how he does against Lewandowski and another clean sheet and it should (but won’t) be his shirt

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:15 pm

All this emphasis on his passing is the wrong way to look at it . I’ll go with Nick Pope all day, not because I love him, he’s the best English keeper.
I’ve seen Pickford make some right hashes with his passing while playing for England.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:15 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:29 pm
Football folk don't watch motor cars
:roll:

There are people on here that complain about watching Burnley, even if there was a soap on the otherside.
I definitely made the right choice.
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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:15 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:12 pm
It’s his area, his decision. If Slabhead is in his way - tough
Some hilarious bias on this site tonight. If Pickford had played that pass straight to the Albanian, and if Pickford had clattered into Tarkowski can you honestly say that you wouldn’t be holding him to account?

Nick got away with it tonight but no doubt his stock will have dropped. I hope, and think that he will put in a better performance on Wednesday.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:15 pm
I’ve seen Pickford make some right hashes with his passing while playing for England.
And I’ve seen him make more hashes in terms of his positional play and general flapping this season than Pope has done in all his premier league appearances combined

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:18 pm

There’s no way his stock will have dropped tonight , get a grip

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:21 pm

Pope just needs a busier game midweek which I expect it to be. He needs to pull off some saves and show what he is good at.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:24 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:12 pm
It’s his area, his decision. If Slabhead is in his way - tough
I totally agree with this.

As for lowering NP's "stock", I doubt it, Henderson has done nothing to challenge the No 2 spot.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Stacky_claret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:30 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:15 pm
Some hilarious bias on this site tonight. If Pickford had played that pass straight to the Albanian, and if Pickford had clattered into Tarkowski can you honestly say that you wouldn’t be holding him to account?

Nick got away with it tonight but no doubt his stock will have dropped. I hope, and think that he will put in a better performance on Wednesday.
It’s not bias in the main it’s really quite simple
If you want the best goalie choose pope
If you want someone who can play the ball like Steven gerrard then pick another goalie
Personally I like a goalie who can stop goals
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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:33 pm

Stacky_claret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:30 pm
It’s not bias in the main it’s really quite simple
If you want the best goalie choose pope
If you want someone who can play the ball like Steven gerrard then pick another goalie
Personally I like a goalie who can stop goals
But you are not Gareth "Mr Total Football" Southgate :D
And while we may be critical of Nick Pope's footwork that Ward-Prowse could do well with some coaching

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Re: Albania v England

Post by tiger76 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:36 pm

Well done NP history maker, he didn't have much too do, but when he was required he was solid, and how people can criticise him for dealing with the cross and taking HM out in the process baffles me, any keeper worth his salt knows you deal with the danger then ask questions afterwards.

Now onto his kicking, and this is an area he'll have to improve his game in, yes Walker put him under undue pressure late on, but there was a couple of rushed clearances prior to that incident, equally Nick did clip a couple of decent passes to his teammates, so he has the ability it's just a case of harnessing it.

But I must admit my heart was in my mouth in the dying moments, thankfully for Nick he got away with that mistake, but it will have been noted by GS and the coaches.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:42 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:36 pm
Well done NP history maker, he didn't have much too do, but when he was required he was solid, and how people can criticise him for dealing with the cross and taking HM out in the process baffles me, any keeper worth his salt knows you deal with the danger then ask questions afterwards.
Did Maguire not head the ball clear? Seemed to me that Maguire dealt with the danger and Pope clattered him. It wasn’t a huge issue, but in a game where he had precious little to do he made a poor decision.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:44 pm

England goalkeeper's to keep a clean sheet in their first six matches:

❌ Peter Shilton
❌ David Seaman
❌ Joe Hart
❌ Gordon Banks
❌ Ray Clemence
❌ David James
❌ Jordan Pickford
✅ Nick Pope

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:44 pm

And it goes on........
Give people an agenda and they’ll follow it like sheep

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Re: Albania v England

Post by taio » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:45 pm

Pope's kicking is the obvious aspect of his game that needs most improvement. But Southgate clearly thought that before today so it doesn't really change anything. Some peculiar exaggerating and criticism in relation to Pope's accidental clash with Maguire.
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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:45 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:44 pm
And it goes on........
Give people an agenda and they’ll follow it like sheep
What is my agenda? I seem to be pretty much the only person looking at this objectively.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:42 pm
Did Maguire not head the ball clear? Seemed to me that Maguire dealt with the danger and Pope clattered him. It wasn’t a huge issue, but in a game where he had precious little to do he made a poor decision.
What’s behind your thinking tonight riley, You’ve done nothing but criticise Pope?

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:46 pm
What’s behind your thinking tonight riley, You’ve done nothing but criticise Pope?
Well, I made a harmless criticism about his performance tonight - which was poor. If people then choose to quote that and argue against my point then I am likely to explain myself further and discuss this.

Saying that I have an agenda against the best keeper that I’ve seen in a Burnley shirt and inferring that I’m a sheep suggests that you aren’t capable of a reasoned discussion. As aren’t the people who constantly dig out Pickford for any mistake that he makes but won’t attribute any blame to those that Pope makes.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by tiger76 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:42 pm
Did Maguire not head the ball clear? Seemed to me that Maguire dealt with the danger and Pope clattered him. It wasn’t a huge issue, but in a game where he had precious little to do he made a poor decision.
I'd have to view it again, but it looked to me like Pope was committed, and if Maguire was dealing with it then he should have made it clear, I guess this is always going to be a problem with bedding in a new defensive team, I'm not certain how often Pope, Maguire & Stones will have played together, so obviously there won't be the same understanding that say Nick has with Mee & Tarks.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:42 pm
Did Maguire not head the ball clear? Seemed to me that Maguire dealt with the danger and Pope clattered him. It wasn’t a huge issue, but in a game where he had precious little to do he made a poor decision.
It wasn’t Maguire’s ball to deal with.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:52 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm
I'd have to view it again, but it looked to me like Pope was committed, and if Maguire was dealing with it then he should have made it clear, I guess this is always going to be a problem with bedding in a new defensive team, I'm not certain how often Pope, Maguire & Stones will have played together, so obviously there won't be the same understanding that say Nick has with Mee & Tarks.
Pretty sure Maguire headed it, and you’re right that it would be much more unlikely to happen for Burnley. But again this proves the point that playing for England is a different ball game and hopefully one that Pope adapts to. As I said before, this clash wasn’t a biggy, but is obviously going to stand out a bit when it was one of Pope’s only contributions.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:53 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm
It wasn’t Maguire’s ball to deal with.
I’m sorry, I really don’t want to keep going on about a relatively trivial incident, but how wasn’t it Maguire’s ball to deal with? It landed squarely on his head.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Elizabeth » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm
Well, I made a harmless criticism about his performance tonight - which was poor. If people then choose to quote that and argue against my point then I am likely to explain myself further and discuss this.

Saying that I have an agenda against the best keeper that I’ve seen in a Burnley shirt and inferring that I’m a sheep suggests that you aren’t capable of a reasoned discussion. As aren’t the people who constantly dig out Pickford for any mistake that he makes but won’t attribute any blame to those that Pope makes.
Don’t give yourself any credit riley. You like a good argument as everyone on this board knows but turning what I said around in the way you’ve attempted is low even for you.
You’re given Pope a right bashing tonight for no reason other than your ego

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:59 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:51 pm
As aren’t the people who constantly dig out Pickford for any mistake that he makes but won’t attribute any blame to those that Pope makes.
There’s a world of difference between making a poorish kick or two when the opponents don’t score compared to poor feet positioning and poor decisions leading to a goal. Pickford has done more of those than Pope over the last couple of seasons and continues to do them. Pickford has had a couple of stormers recently but over the full season and adding in last season there really is no comparison. The xga differentials, clean sheets and everything else you need to keep the ball out of the net are all massively in favour of Nick Pope.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:03 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:57 pm
Don’t give yourself any credit riley. You like a good argument as everyone on this board knows but turning what I said around in the way you’ve attempted is low even for you.
You’re given Pope a right bashing tonight for no reason other than your ego
You said I had an agenda and was following like a sheep. It’s hard to deny you said something when you post it on a public forum.

There you go with the ego now. A few mild criticisms about our goalkeeper and the sensitive folk can’t handle it. Grow up.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:04 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:59 pm
There’s a world of difference between making a poorish kick or two when the opponents don’t score compared to poor feet positioning and poor decisions leading to a goal. Pickford has done more of those than Pope over the last couple of seasons and continues to do them. Pickford has had a couple of stormers recently but over the full season and adding in last season there really is no comparison. The xga differentials, clean sheets and everything else you need to keep the ball out of the net are all massively in favour of Nick Pope.
Which is why I feel that Pope should be England’s number one. That doesn’t mean that he is totally exempt from criticism.

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Re: Albania v England

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:53 pm
I’m sorry, I really don’t want to keep going on about a relatively trivial incident, but how wasn’t it Maguire’s ball to deal with? It landed squarely on his head.
I think there's a liklyhood that the way England play with Pickford in goal then MaGuire goes for that ball.
Nick Pope calls and goes for that ball every time.
It's just a mix-up. Neither to blame.

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