Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:55 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:49 pm
Not lucky at all with the "pen"

If you aren't allowed to defend in your box you may as well get rid of defenders!
Precisely. What's Tarky supposed to do? Just let Longstaff head it in?

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 pm

Decent first half against a poor team. If we can get the ball forward to Wood and Vydra better we will get more goals. Also, it wasn't a penalty.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:45 pm
And dangerous play is an indirect freekick, not direct and therefore not a pen in the area.
Debatable is this as

"If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick."

Tarks challenge although he got the ball could be adjudged as careless

"Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed"

As it Tarks challenge involved contact it could be given as a pen.

I can see your position though and the ref could just deem it as dangerous play so its definitely not black or white.

The one thing it definitely was though is a foul

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:54 pm
Ben Mee, blood and guts - what a warrior !
I hope we send him for regular check ups because he doesn't half get his head smashed in !

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Belgianclaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:58 pm

Sky Sports, saying it was a pen to Newcastle...

If so, it was also a pen on Mee

Right decision for me, no doubt ;)

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:59 pm

Newcastle must have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench by the way Sky are playing up their subs
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Re: Big man little man

Post by claretcarrot93 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:59 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:25 pm
The two certainly look good together.

I'm so pleased for Vydra. So patient and dignified with it.

We were often told he wasn't good enough to start.
Its all about pace and movement in behind. Creates space for others then as well.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Shelvey is their Grealish. He does everything for them and it's him plus 10 others.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:59 pm
Newcastle must have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench by the way Sky are playing up their subs
Two good subs to have to be fair. Think we’ll see them sooner rather than later.
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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

We did sit back once we scored but i still think we have too much for this lot no matter who they bring on

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Belgianclaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:55 pm
Westwood and Gudmundsson have stood out for me today, best JBG has played for a long while IMO. We look very strong all over the pitch with Vydra and Wood very, very threatening.

Great performance but they will get stronger with Wilson and ASM to come on. We need to keep the pressure on.
Yeah, shame JBG is so injury prone.

Nevertheless, I think we should keep him contrary to Brady

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by scouseclaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:53 pm
And how about the half a dozen derogatory things? He's a terrible commentator. Always was when he worked for Granada.
It’s not Jim Beglin, it’s Andy Hincliffe, who is usually complimentary to us. Not sure he ever worked for Granada.

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Re: Big man little man

Post by jedi_master » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Very reminiscent of Ings/Vokes at times today.

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Re: Big man little man

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 pm

Wood picks himself always as, but now we have another 1st choice in Vydra who is far better player than Barnes or Rodriguez

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 pm

Similar game to last week. Hope I am wrong. Wilson and SM to come no doubt. We need a second goal for sure and they look weak at the back but so we’re Saints !

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 pm
Debatable is this as

"If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick."

Tarks challenge although he got the ball could be adjudged as careless

"Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed"

As it Tarks challenge involved contact it could be given as a pen.

I can see your position though and the ref could just deem it as dangerous play so its definitely not black or white.

The one thing it definitely was though is a foul
It's not debateable.

If the offence is dangerous play, the punishment is an indirect free kick.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:42 pm
Both pen's for me
Have to say, I agree.

Takes boot was high/dangerous. Also thought Mee’s should have been before that and suspect that played its part.

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Re: Big man little man

Post by Targetman » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:02 pm

Bcrollerz wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:55 pm
Hes cemented his place now
Jay wont start again
Well not this week anyway!

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm
It’s not Jim Beglin, it’s Andy Hincliffe, who is usually complimentary to us. Not sure he ever worked for Granada.
Depends what he’s watching

Beglin is doing the commentary on the “worldwide”broadcast (BEIN etc)

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 pm
It's not debateable.

If the offence is dangerous play, the punishment is an indirect free kick.
Contact means direct free kick so I think you're wrong. But hey I've explained in my previous post so if you disagree thats up to you

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:04 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm
It’s not Jim Beglin, it’s Andy Hincliffe, who is usually complimentary to us. Not sure he ever worked for Granada.
I'm not watching on SKY. Hinchcliffe doesn't have an Irish accent.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Stevie Morgan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:04 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 pm
Contact means direct free kick so I think you're wrong. But hey I've explained in my previous post so if you disagree thats up to you
No, cos he was playing the ball.

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Re: Big man little man

Post by claretfern » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:04 pm

For me, Vydra should've been in the side over 12 months ago....

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Longsidebogs » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:05 pm

As I get older, I’m finding that technology is overtaking me a little. I’m not a technophobe by any means, but there are certainly things I don’t fully understand. I never thought I wouldn’t understand the rules of football though. And then VAR happened. What else could Tarky have done? He’s a central defender. He played the ball. But by the new rules, that I no longer understand, it should have been a penalty to the Geordies? I suspect the new season will be my last as a paying spectator. And that makes me sad. :-(

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Re: Big man little man

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:05 pm

Lochhead and Irvine, great combination.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by taio » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:06 pm

Good effort Lowton. One of them if either side it's a goal.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:06 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:55 pm
Precisely. What's Tarky supposed to do? Just let Longstaff head it in?
If it had been Longstaff doing the kicking looking for a goal and Tarks with his head trying to defend it, it would easily be a free kick and we'd all be claiming it as a free kick!

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm

Alan Shearer having kittens about the pen claim on Twitter.. it’s so funny

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 pm
Contact means direct free kick so I think you're wrong. But hey I've explained in my previous post so if you disagree thats up to you
How am I wrong? I said that if it's dangerous play it's not a penalty, that's an indisputable fact.

Maybe there's an argument that it wasn't dangerous play, it was a different offence, but that's not what I said or passed comment upon.

All the pundits and commentators were saying dangerous play, for what it's worth.
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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by taio » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm

Corners today have been excellent by Westwood and McNeil.

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Re: Big man little man

Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:08 pm

Cardboard box

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:08 pm

Stevie Morgan wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:04 pm
No, cos he was playing the ball.
Doesnt matter. If the ref judges a challenge was careless, reckless or made with excessive force then it doesnt matter if the player won the ball first as it is a foul and if as part of that challenge contact was made the free kick is direct.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by taio » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:09 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:08 pm
Doesnt matter. If the ref judges a challenge was careless, reckless or made with excessive force then it doesnt matter if the player won the ball first as it is a foul and if as part of that challenge contact was made the free kick is direct.
A neither the ref or the VAR thought that applied. Correct.
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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Stevie Morgan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:08 pm
Doesnt matter. If the ref judges a challenge was careless, reckless or made with excessive force then it doesnt matter if the player won the ball first as it is a foul and if as part of that challenge contact was made the free kick is direct.
Disagree. It wasn't a challenge, he was clearing it. He wasn't aware player was there. We need a resident ref to give their opinion.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm
How am I wrong? I said that if it's dangerous play it's not a penalty, that's an indisputable fact.

Maybe there's an argument that it wasn't dangerous play, it was a different offence, but that's not what I said or passed comment upon.

All the pundits and commentators were saying dangerous play, for what it's worth.
Just to clarify I am debating if the challenge was deemed as a careless challenge or a dangerous challenge under the laws of the game.

You stated you thought it was dangerous play so thats where I disagree and think that opinion is wrong.

I agree with you that if dangerous play was awarded it would not be a pen

Hope that clears up where we are actually disagreeing

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 pm

Wood taking ball to goal line like Jimmy Mac.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by BleedingClaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 pm

Foul on Tarks for me
Kicks the ball when no opposition player is in his eyeline
Longstaff comes in late from Tarks blindside knowingly ducks his head into the ball when it’s clear Tarks is already in the process of kicking the ball Longstaff catches Tarks foot late with his head

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 pm
Just to clarify I am debating if the challenge was deemed as a careless challenge or a dangerous challenge under the laws of the game.

You stated you thought it was dangerous play so thats where I disagree and think that opinion is wrong.

I agree with you that if dangerous play was awarded it would not be a pen

Hope that clears up where we are actually disagreeing
Where did I state that I thought it was dangerous play?

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:09 pm
A neither the ref or the VAR thought that applied. Correct.
Ref and VAR didnt think Wood was fouled last week. Correct

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 pm

Can’t remember the last time we won so many corners in a game

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 pm
Foul on Tarks for me
Kicks the ball when no opposition player is in his eyeline
Longstaff comes in late from Tarks blindside knowingly ducks his head into the ball when it’s clear Tarks is already in the process of kicking the ball Longstaff catches Tarks foot late with his head
That’s word for word what DA would say if it was the other way round


:D

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by taio » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 pm
Ref and VAR didnt think Wood was fouled last week. Correct
Wrong again.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:15 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 pm
Where did I state that I thought it was dangerous play?
Tall Paul wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:43 pm
Surely it would've been an indirect freekick anyway, not a pen.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Tall Paul » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:15 pm
Nowhere then.

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Post by taio » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:16 pm

Some great balls into the box today
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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:16 pm

Is that 10 or 11 corners and nothing...

Not good enough

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:17 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:15 pm
Nowhere then.
So what did you mean when you said it would be an indirect free kick if you was not referring to it being dangerous play?

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Just watch the game lads

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by superdimitri » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Might be putting the ball in good areas but we haven't made anything of it.

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Re: Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

Post by icu81b4 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Rats

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