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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:43 pm

Dyche is far and away the best hope we have of continuous top flight football.

I am staggered at the comments that he has had his day, or is bereft of ideas or (gods sake) a plan B.

Christ ! how many times has the topic of lack of finance cropped up ? No other manager in this division could ever dream of survival on the pennies he has had to spend. Time and time again we survive.

The opponents are awash with money, foreign players, home grown, it matters not.

We cannot seriously expect to compete and rely on cheap deals or aging players and thrive, but every season

Dyche manages to produce performances that defy belief.

West Ham and Man Utd fans got it hopelessly wrong with their appraisal of Moyes, but at least there was

cash in the coffers to support the manager. I am a huge fan of Dyche but that aside, it seems incredible to suggest he has ran his course.

Imagine his capabilities if he was bankrolled the same way as his peer group.

in addition...alex scott and jermaine jenus are horrific pundits. Truly ****.
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Re: BACK SEAN DYCHE

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Re: BACK SEAN DYCHE

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:50 pm

Said a few games into the season, and again around Christmas, if he keeps us up this season it's his biggest miracle yet.
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Post by tim_noone » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:02 am

Alex scott played 3000 times for Arsenal and Was capped 800 times For Engerland. And an excellent pundit... TV Host.. mental health specialist etc etc...dont talk ....Wile!! :D

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Post by KRBFC » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:11 am

This season is a free hit for Dyche imo, I think everyone expected relegation. Garlick is an absolute disgrace, fan of the club? my ass!


any pundit who dares criticize Burnley is a bad pundit :lol:
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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:28 am

Businessmen are a necessary evil in football.Most back their teams to a greater or lesser extent often whilst living in tax havens far away form the fans. Sean was treated very badly by Garlick et al given crumbs to build a team on.
The stalling over selling didnt help as ALK didnt have time to release the much needed funds in January.
Sean and Tarks need their improved contracts now to lift the mood on the camp
The press have always liked to sxxxstir and upset our equilibrium.Suddenly the past of players when they were young and stupid is rehashed as news.Sean has touted himself as wanting to manage Palace. Tarks wants to play for England and a bigger club ,all these stories dont help.But we will rise above this and stay up thanks to the best manager,if irritating at times, weve had in my 50+ yrs watching Burnley UTC
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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:34 am

Back to back defeats and the bedwetters are out calling for SDs head. We’ve been on poor runs before and he has always turned it around with a good run. A very, very sad day for Burnley when he leaves.
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Post by colner » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:01 am

Wile E Coyote you are bang on the money! I dont bother with social media straight after we have been beaten,theres enough negativity in this world at the moment. As long as we have SD as manager,i firmly believe we will stay in the Prem. A club our size shouldnt really be eating at the top table,but i know it doesnt work like that and if it wasnt for him,we would look forward to days [and possible more wins] in the Championship,but it wouldnt give me as much of a thrill of beating one of the 'top 6' on their own patch.
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Post by IanMcL » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:27 am

Somehow Burnley, a mini town in Lancashire, run by local folk, returned to the Prem.

The miracle is that we have a manager who gets the club, its history and its town of people, whose fortunes are interlinked.

A miracle has kept the impossible happening.

Thank you Mr Dyche, your staff and totally committed squad. We owe you all.

Keep going.
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Re: BACK SEAN DYCHE

Post by Stayingup » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:22 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:50 pm
Said a few games into the season, and again around Christmas, if he keeps us up this season it's his biggest miracle yet.
Totally agree. Said the same myself. People also forget that every game and every season he is gaining experience and learning.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:25 pm

Quite simply he needs investment. He is working miracles at the moment, there is not a worse squad in the league than ours.

This summer will be the biggest of his managerial career (if funds are available).

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:44 pm

Those saying Garlick never backed SD, don't seem to grasp that if we'd spent 30 million in each of the last 5 windows, we'd now be a 150million in debt.
It isn't rocket science.

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Post by Iloveyoubrady » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:53 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:44 pm
Those saying Garlick never backed SD, don't seem to grasp that if we'd spent 30 million in each of the last 5 windows, we'd now be a 150million in debt.
It isn't rocket science.
Well £80 million in the bank and profitable player sales suggests otherwise

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:58 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:28 am
Businessmen are a necessary evil in football.Most back their teams to a greater or lesser extent often whilst living in tax havens far away form the fans. Sean was treated very badly by Garlick et al given crumbs to build a team on.
The stalling over selling didnt help as ALK didnt have time to release the much needed funds in January.
Sean and Tarks need their improved contracts now to lift the mood on the camp
The press have always liked to sxxxstir and upset our equilibrium.Suddenly the past of players when they were young and stupid is rehashed as news.Sean has touted himself as wanting to manage Palace. Tarks wants to play for England and a bigger club ,all these stories dont help.But we will rise above this and stay up thanks to the best manager,if irritating at times, weve had in my 50+ yrs watching Burnley UTC
just what funds is it that ALK have? There is little evidence to suggest they have any.

It is quite possible that they put up less than £2m (possibly even nothing) to buy the club, The other two new directors (Checketts and Parra who are not part of ALK from the documents we have seen) will have been required to buy 4000 shares in the club to be directors - that may be the sum total of the down payment to which the MSD loan and the club's own money was used to buy the club.

So where is this money for transfers going to come from. Our earnings this year are going to be less, some of which will be helped by a smaller wage bill (11 month accounts will help on that front), but additional costs are likely to wipe that saving out. We are heading for a significant drop in our cash in hand too.
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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:06 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:53 pm
Well £80 million in the bank and profitable player sales suggests otherwise
over £35m of that was this seasons first central payment from the Premier League.

It has been a few years since we had a positive income trading of players in and out of the club and I do not recall it happening more than once in the tenure of the last board

2 windows a season at £30m a pop is £60m a season (before wages and Agents fees) so let's say an extra £8m to be conservative - do you see a problem with what your suggesting in terms of what you think we have

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Post by aggi » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:19 am

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:53 pm
Well £80 million in the bank and profitable player sales suggests otherwise
Cash alone doesn't tell you much. The better reflection of the position was £15m of net current assets.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:09 am

I'd be more confident of England winning a competition with Dyche in charge than Southgate, Dyche has worked miracles with what are essentially no more than Championship players and PL cast offs

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Post by claret59 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:28 am

SD has been good for Burnley but the club have been good to him as well. It is nonsense to say he has had no funds. He has been backed in the transfer market and wasted a good deal of it. Wood, Vydra and Gibson are multi million pound signings. They did not come cheap. There are plenty of lesser amounts, but still significant, spent on acquiring players that have not measured up and were risky from the start. Wells being a prime example. To constantly assert that SD has had only pennies to spend is just not true. It is only recently that Garlick was allegedly prepared to spend big on Phillips at Leeds but the player opted to stay where he was. Writing of Leeds did we not have Bamford on the books? Not sure what his transfer fee was but he was not 'managed' well. A leading scorer in the PL this season and a past record of being a regular goal scorer with his previous clubs but not with Burnley. Why is that ? What is his value now ?
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Post by Right_winger » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:25 am

We don’t need SD. He has served his purpose. The fact is he has squandered vast resources and we are still shuffling along with An ageing workhorse squad which hasn’t evolved and improved.

We need better than the like of Dyche and some of his limited players.

Fresh faces would be very welcome.

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Post by Stalbansclaret » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:25 am

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Post by box_of_frogs » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:10 am

Stalbansclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:25 am
Clearly Right Winger and Claret59 made the most of the pubs reopening yesterday !
Ah, the classic “they don’t agree with me so must have been on the lash” line.

Everything comes to an end, and one day SD will not be the manager. Is the time now?
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Post by LawsCanalJump » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:48 am

All good things come to an end, but hopefully not so soon into the new ownership
The problem this year is simply the squad, absolutely nobody on the bench to make an impact.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:36 am

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:34 am
Back to back defeats and the bedwetters are out calling for SDs head. We’ve been on poor runs before and he has always turned it around with a good run. A very, very sad day for Burnley when he leaves.
On the bed wetting front, I have to admit to being more worried than most (it seems) about the prospect of relegation. A key injury or two like at the start of the season could be critical. And even with a fully fit squad, we have some tough games coming up.

My other concern is complacency. We’ve played some decent, very unBurnley-like, football in the last two games... and lost! I think we pushed far too high up the pitch and were chasing goals both in the last 15 minutes at Southampton & after the subs against Newcastle... we should have just sat in during those periods & absorbed the game for a while. It made me wonder if we really feel we’re in a relegation battle and I think we need a mindset change there with some “ugly” but effective football for a while.

That said, to call Dyche in any way whatsoever is ludicrous and I can honestly only imagine the posters aren’t really Burnley fans.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:53 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:44 pm
Those saying Garlick never backed SD, don't seem to grasp that if we'd spent 30 million in each of the last 5 windows, we'd now be a 150million in debt.
It isn't rocket science.
I don’t think even the most risk-taking of fans would’ve expected or wanted a £30m outlay over five consecutive windows. One might’ve been nice though.

On your point about the debt, according to reports he did leave the club in £60-£80m of debt anyway. It just wasn’t spent on players or the club - it went to him to buy his shares.

Last summer I advocated, if necessary, a small loan for investment. I argued that we most likely had retained or grown our cash balances so could invest without debt, to which others disagreed, but that if we needed it we should take a loan. Folk said nobody would lend to us or that the terms would be onerous. As it turns out we had £80m in the bank at the time I was making that argument, and took a much bigger loan... albeit the terms probably are onerous.

I’ve nothing against the takeover, and even with the debt I can see the positives of having AP and the changes he’s making. That said, there were alternatives that the previous board could’ve taken to allow squad investment without us stacking up even the debt levels we have now. They chose not to take them. I just really, really hope we can survive this year and that doesn’t prove very damaging.
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Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:06 am

claret59 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:28 am
SD has been good for Burnley but the club have been good to him as well. It is nonsense to say he has had no funds. He has been backed in the transfer market and wasted a good deal of it. Wood, Vydra and Gibson are multi million pound signings. They did not come cheap. There are plenty of lesser amounts, but still significant, spent on acquiring players that have not measured up and were risky from the start. Wells being a prime example. To constantly assert that SD has had only pennies to spend is just not true. It is only recently that Garlick was allegedly prepared to spend big on Phillips at Leeds but the player opted to stay where he was. Writing of Leeds did we not have Bamford on the books? Not sure what his transfer fee was but he was not 'managed' well. A leading scorer in the PL this season and a past record of being a regular goal scorer with his previous clubs but not with Burnley. Why is that ? What is his value now ?

Christ on a bike!

Bamford was on loan, and at that time in his career was finding out about the harsh realities of life away from a big four club. He’s doing well now because he’s in an attacking system that relies on scoring more than the opponent. He’s a bang average premier league forward.

Dyche and the recruiting team were given the task of looking at the championship and taking a punt on unproven players. Wells, was a punt, didn’t work out too badly and I am sure we won’t have made a significant loss overall after you add in wage coverings and loan fees.

Gibson, stand out performer, England international, what’s not to like? Who knew he was as mentally stable as some on this board?

Wood and Vydra, quality players and are proving and have proved their worth for BFC.

Dyche is a quality manager, who is at a cross roads in his career.

Does he carve out an image as the new ‘Big Sam’ and hope to get a shot at the England job one day?

Does he move to an ambitious club like Newcastle, Southampton or a upcoming Championship club?

Does he aim big and look at Leicester, Everton, Leeds etc and hope it comes off?

My thoughts are that he will go to Tottenham after Jose, DL is a shrewd man, and no Champions League is going to hit hard. Jose will walk this summer if he wins a Trophy.

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Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:08 am

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:53 am
I don’t think even the most risk-taking of fans would’ve expected or wanted a £30m outlay over five consecutive windows. One might’ve been nice though.

On your point about the debt, according to reports he did leave the club in £60-£80m of debt anyway. It just wasn’t spent on players or the club - it went to him to buy his shares.

Last summer I advocated, if necessary, a small loan for investment. I argued that we most likely had retained or grown our cash balances so could invest without debt, to which others disagreed, but that if we needed it we should take a loan. Folk said nobody would lend to us or that the terms would be onerous. As it turns out we had £80m in the bank at the time I was making that argument, and took a much bigger loan... albeit the terms probably are onerous.

I’ve nothing against the takeover, and even with the debt I can see the positives of having AP and the changes he’s making. That said, there were alternatives that the previous board could’ve taken to allow squad investment without us stacking up even the debt levels we have now. They chose not to take them. I just really, really hope we can survive this year and that doesn’t prove very damaging.
Businesses are sold over prolonged periods of time, complex businesses take even longer to market, and sell. That means the business (BFC) will have been looking at a sale over various transfer windows. It will want attractive ‘books’ and the ensured continuity of income (Premier League).

It’s no real surprise we’ve not invested to a zero or negative balance.

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Post by jrgbfc » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:40 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:06 am
Christ on a bike!

Bamford was on loan, and at that time in his career was finding out about the harsh realities of life away from a big four club. He’s doing well now because he’s in an attacking system that relies on scoring more than the opponent. He’s a bang average premier league forward.

Dyche and the recruiting team were given the task of looking at the championship and taking a punt on unproven players. Wells, was a punt, didn’t work out too badly and I am sure we won’t have made a significant loss overall after you add in wage coverings and loan fees.

Gibson, stand out performer, England international, what’s not to like? Who knew he was as mentally stable as some on this board?

Wood and Vydra, quality players and are proving and have proved their worth for BFC.

Dyche is a quality manager, who is at a cross roads in his career.

Does he carve out an image as the new ‘Big Sam’ and hope to get a shot at the England job one day?

Does he move to an ambitious club like Newcastle, Southampton or a upcoming Championship club?

Does he aim big and look at Leicester, Everton, Leeds etc and hope it comes off?

My thoughts are that he will go to Tottenham after Jose, DL is a shrewd man, and no Champions League is going to hit hard. Jose will walk this summer if he wins a Trophy.
There isn't a chance in hell of Dyche getting the Spurs job. Personally I think Burnley is as good as it gets for him, which is why he'll stay for a few more years yet.
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Post by tiger76 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:53 pm

As the saying goes what has Sean Dyche ever done for BFC.

5 straight seasons in the PL, soon to be 6.
Turned several players into England internationals.
Made large profits on Gray, Keane, Vokes, and probably Tarks this summer.
European football back at TM for the first time in over 50 years.
Wins at Anfield, Emirates, Goodison (twice), Old Trafford and Stamford bridge.
Unbeaten against Blackburn, and we've won the last 4 against that mob from memory.
Barnfield and the improvement in the academy is evident for all to see.

But apparently all of the above isn't good enough for some Burnley fans, who now want to hound out our most successful manager in decades, whilst not offering any viable alternatives as to who could step into his shoes.

Part of me actually hopes he does go to Palace this summer, not because I want him to leave far from it, but I'd just love those posters to actually realise how much we'll miss him when he finally does leave, maybe then they'll appreciate just how good he was at BFC., but I wouldn't bank on it.
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Post by Claret_tinted » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:13 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:40 pm
There isn't a chance in hell of Dyche getting the Spurs job. Personally I think Burnley is as good as it gets for him, which is why he'll stay for a few more years yet.
He might not get the Spurs job, he might need a stepping stone club. He will make it to the top six, he’s a top top manager.

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Post by claret59 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:43 pm

Claret -tinted writes:

Christ on a bike!

Claret 59 writes : Christ be praised.

Claret-tinted: No need for offensive remarks because you do not agree with another poster's comments on what is a message-board meant to invite serious non-offensive comments.
The point I was making is that there are continual criticisms that SD has been kept short of funds. I was simply drawing attention to the fact that he has had financial backing , and quite a lot of it. Some of it has been spent well , but sometimes not so. I just gave some examples of money spent in quite large sums sums to illustrate that money has been available to him. (I could have included the quite large sums spent on Brady and Hemdrick.)

Just adding a bit of balance to a debate.

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Post by CFS » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:21 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:13 pm
He might not get the Spurs job, he might need a stepping stone club. He will make it to the top six, he’s a top top manager.
Sorry but no he won't he's nowhere near good enough.

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Post by CFS » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:23 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:53 pm

Part of me actually hopes he does go to Palace this summer, not because I want him to leave far from it, but I'd just love those posters to actually realise how much we'll miss him when he finally does leave, maybe then they'll appreciate just how good he was at BFC., but I wouldn't bank on it.
What makes you 100% sure we will suffer without him? On the flip side what if we kick on after he left and he wasn't as good as what some people think?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:24 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:13 pm
He might not get the Spurs job, he might need a stepping stone club. He will make it to the top six, he’s a top top manager.
Dyche is a great manager but he has absolutely no chance of getting to that level.

Best he could get would arguably be a West Ham or Everton but I would suggest even them are a push.
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Post by Boss Hogg » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:33 pm

Whilst Dyche could be more flexible in his game plan, use of subs and loanees he’s been a great success for us. If he keeps us up this season even more so. I doubt any other manager would have done any better with the squad we had at the beginning of the season. The blame for this season’s failure lies solely with Garlick and the abysmal transfer windows and lack of squad strengthening which has caught up with us. Whilst we had false promises from the new owners which didn’t look great they haven’t been in the door long. Dyche won’t get a top 6 job but could get a Palace, Southampton type job or even England one day. I’m fairly certain he won’t last at another club like he has with us though

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by ewanrob » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:38 pm

Don't always agree with how both SD and MG have gone about things, but can't knock what they've done. Only thing I'd say is, and this is to both of them...for me they have stood and admired their accomplishments for a tad to long and appear not to have seen what is about occur. A lot of ageing players, players out of contract, and no real quality coming up thru the ranks. They will need to outlay double their biggest accumulative annual spend just to stand still.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by tiger76 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:33 pm

CFS wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:23 pm
What makes you 100% sure we will suffer without him? On the flip side what if we kick on after he left and he wasn't as good as what some people think?
Impossible to say how we'll perform if and when he goes, but his departure would leave a huge void for his successor to fill, and I doubt anyone else would get this squad playing any better or higher in the league, and many of our squad are created in the mould of SD for better or worse, so whoever took over would face a huge rebuilding job, and yes some of that is due to the age of the squad, which SD does have to bear responsibility for, we may kick on after Sean leaves us, but history suggests otherwise, and it wouldn't surprise me if we had to go backwards, i.e. relegation before we started moving forwards again.

It also depends what you mean by kicking on, a higher placing in the PL, going further in the cups, or just a better style of football, all 3 are unlikely to happen without major investment on the playing side, and the jury is still very much out on how deep ALK'S pockets are, however the early evidence doesn't suggest they have much if any outside capital to plough into BFC, and in those circumstances it would be a heck of a risk to replace a proven PL manager in SD, who has shown he can get average players competing in a high level year in year out, now this season probably hasn't been as good as we might have hoped, but the primary goal of staying in the PL is within sight, and for a club with our resources I'm not convinced we can expect any better, that's just the financial reality I'm afraid.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:55 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:44 pm
Those saying Garlick never backed SD, don't seem to grasp that if we'd spent 30 million in each of the last 5 windows, we'd now be a 150million in debt.
It isn't rocket science.
Who said we should spend £30M in 5 consecutive windows? :lol:
We had close to £50M when the club was sold. So even with your mythical random £150M number, the figures don't add up to £150M in debt.


Also the thing fans always forget, if we spent £150M on players, those players aren't suddenly worth £0.


I don't think I've seen anyone suggest we should spend £30M a transfer window and run up debts of £150M+, you completely made that up.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:03 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:58 pm
just what funds is it that ALK have? There is little evidence to suggest they have any.

It is quite possible that they put up less than £2m (possibly even nothing) to buy the club, The other two new directors (Checketts and Parra who are not part of ALK from the documents we have seen) will have been required to buy 4000 shares in the club to be directors - that may be the sum total of the down payment to which the MSD loan and the club's own money was used to buy the club.

So where is this money for transfers going to come from. Our earnings this year are going to be less, some of which will be helped by a smaller wage bill (11 month accounts will help on that front), but additional costs are likely to wipe that saving out. We are heading for a significant drop in our cash in hand too.
I'm not an expert but enjoy reading your posts. Who is Parra? I can't recall hearing about him previously.
Has Checketts now joined us? I know there was some announcement that said he would be doing in the future, is that finalized?
Can ALK not give out free shares to whoever they want or sell at any price? If those two individuals have had to buy shares, surely that's giving us some incoming cash. I thought ALK might have bought the club and sold shares at inflated prices to investors?

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:05 pm

I'd put it differently:
Sean Dyche needs to want to be at Burnley Football Club.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:03 pm
I'm not an expert but enjoy reading your posts. Who is Parra? I can't recall hearing about him previously.
Has Checketts now joined us? I know there was some announcement that said he would be doing in the future, is that finalized?
Can ALK not give out free shares to whoever they want or sell at any price? If those two individuals have had to buy shares, surely that's giving us some incoming cash. I thought ALK might have bought the club and sold shares at inflated prices to investors?
I think you are confusing two different things here (easily done)

There are a set amount of shares in the club and between them the 5 new directors control 84% of them those new directors were all registered on the day of the takeover. Those shares have been bought directly from the previous board members, none of the transaction value went to the club, as we know the club actually paid for some of them for the new owners

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 1/officers

3 of the new directors we know for certain are ALK, because they are registered as Directors in ALK's/Velocity's UK arm (also at Kettering Capital and Calder Vale)- these are Pace, Smith and Hunt

2 of the new directors we do not know are involved in ALK in the US as it is registered in Delaware where registrations are obscured by legal protections - these are Parra and Checketts.

If they are not part of ALK they will have had to acquire shares to become Directors at the club (it is important to note that they are full directors and not non-executive directors), Those shares could have been gifted, but it is more probable that they have been purchased, the question is at what rate. My speculation was based on the share value at the point of the takeover - the 4000 shares required to become a director would easily totalled £6m+. It has been suggested that the actually upfront cash payment was only between £10m - £15m so it is entirely possible ALK got the club without putting a penny in up front - I postulated this at the time of the Parra/Checketts announcement but it seemed to have passed people by at the time.

the timing of the registrations suggests that Parra and Checketts will not have paid an inflated sum for their shares, or that the money was used to capitalise the club. that does not remove the idea of selling some shares on (known as a flip) for profit in the near future to additional investors (is is almost a necessity, if ALK do not have independent funds)
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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by Claret_tinted » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:26 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:24 pm
Dyche is a great manager but he has absolutely no chance of getting to that level.

Best he could get would arguably be a West Ham or Everton but I would suggest even them are a push.
For debate; what do you base this on?

I feel he’s a modern progressive manager, his model is culture based which in evidence is proven to be the most effective model. He’s worked with both youth and experienced pros to bring about his success. His man management is outstanding. He adds value away from the pitch, wants to develop the community and wider facilities. He has an outstanding coaching team, he’s a track record of moulding players into international performers. His media interactions are on the whole positive.

He is limited by BFC, not the other way round.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:58 am

Claret_tinted wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:26 am
For debate; what do you base this on?

I feel he’s a modern progressive manager, his model is culture based which in evidence is proven to be the most effective model. He’s worked with both youth and experienced pros to bring about his success. His man management is outstanding. He adds value away from the pitch, wants to develop the community and wider facilities. He has an outstanding coaching team, he’s a track record of moulding players into international performers. His media interactions are on the whole positive.

He is limited by BFC, not the other way round.
He is a fantastic manager, but it comes down to a few things for me.
1. He is so tied to the 442 formation, at the elite level you can’t just play one system and expect to be a success. He’s been at Burnley for a long time and had significant funds in that time, yet he has not developed the tactical side of his management.

2. He has been very successful at man management with a group of players that are known to be good characters, however he also has a reputation for not dealing with certain character particularly well. Bamford and Gibson jump to mind straight away. I think Dyche would struggle to deal with the egos of elite players and especially there agents.

3. I think Dyche actually works better with less money. Let’s be honest when he has been given funds the signings have not been a success (apart from wood). Gibson, Vydra, Brownhill, Brady, Hendrick all purchased for big sums (for this club) and none of them have particularly been a success. Not failures but not successes either.

4. Dyche prefers tried and tested players, most of the top clubs develop young talent and incorporate them into the squad (I am aware top managers want top players also, but highlighting all the top 6 clubs currently have academy products in the first team) He is done it more so this season, but let’s be honest if the first team players were fit they wouldn’t even be on the bench.


Dyche very well might move on and be a success but I don’t see any big club going for him based on the above points.
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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by KRBFC » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:15 pm

Claret_tinted wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:06 am
Christ on a bike!


My thoughts are that he will go to Tottenham after Jose, DL is a shrewd man, and no Champions League is going to hit hard. Jose will walk this summer if he wins a Trophy.
Christ on a bike indeed, there's absolutely no way Levy will go from Jose to Dyche, Spurs are terrible to watch atm, there's literally no way the Spurs fans would allow a Dyche appointment.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by Quicknick » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:40 pm

I don't think any of the big clubs would take him on.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by ewanrob » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:41 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:05 pm
I'd put it differently:
Sean Dyche needs to want to be at Burnley Football Club.
Great post, please excuse my naivety on this....but given what you have said....how on earth is this club going to be able to sign players, by that I mean where is the money coming from. Given that over 70% is going on wages, say another 20% on infrastructure and other operating costs.?

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:52 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:41 pm
Great post, please excuse my naivety on this....but given what you have said....how on earth is this club going to be able to sign players, by that I mean where is the money coming from. Given that over 70% is going on wages, say another 20% on infrastructure and other operating costs.?
For me there are only three ways in which our new owners will be able to sign players worth let’s say 15m. However finances are complicated I’m sure someone like Chester could expand on the below.

1. By selling talent
2. By taking on more debt (with the aim being to sell the player for a profit in a few seasons)
3. By gaining further investment (flipping shares)

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:52 pm
For me there are only three ways in which our new owners will be able to sign players worth let’s say 15m. However finances are complicated I’m sure someone like Chester could expand on the below.

1. By selling talent
2. By taking on more debt (with the aim being to sell the player for a profit in a few seasons)
3. By gaining further investment (flipping shares)
Also by selling commercial, endorsement and association rights and increasing sponsorship. Broadening the merchandise sales rights - I know United and City turned Birthdays (cards) outlets into shop outlets in the 90’s. We tried in Accrington while in Division 4 (I think), but certainly lover league, but now we are in the Premiership and have a potential world wide market. Not that I’m saying any would immediately bring in the figures needed, these are just off the top of my head and have the potential to grow into major markets (by our standards). We clearly see that the club are broadening out into e-sports and the women’s game to offer the complete package... I would expect the commercial department to be very active in perusing that....

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:40 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:35 pm
Also by selling commercial, endorsement and association rights and increasing sponsorship. Broadening the merchandise sales rights - I know United and City turned Birthdays (cards) outlets into shop outlets in the 90’s. We tried in Accrington while in Division 4 (I think), but certainly lover league, but now we are in the Premiership and have a potential world wide market. Not that I’m saying any would immediately bring in the figures needed, these are just off the top of my head and have the potential to grow into major markets (by our standards). We clearly see that the club are broadening out into e-sports and the women’s game to offer the complete package... I would expect the commercial department to be very active in perusing that....
Yes I think increasing revenue are long term targets. Over the next 2-3 seasons that won’t really have an effect on transfers.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:46 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:40 pm
Yes I think increasing revenue are long term targets. Over the next 2-3 seasons that won’t really have an effect on transfers.
But in raising the clubs profile, the key element remains the FIRST team... a buzz needs to be created to stimulate all the other opportunities, we cannot claim that as a solid Premiership team lodged like a rock in biannual relegation flirtations. I’m pretty sure the board have factored in investment in players to their initial plan, after all Burnley’s potential lies mainly in speculation to create the market position for expansion... and the horse needs to fit to pull the cart.

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Re: we need to need sean dyche.

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:54 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:52 pm
For me there are only three ways in which our new owners will be able to sign players worth let’s say 15m. However finances are complicated I’m sure someone like Chester could expand on the below.

1. By selling talent
2. By taking on more debt (with the aim being to sell the player for a profit in a few seasons)
3. By gaining further investment (flipping shares)
I will com back to this later, but I have been thinking for a while now that for us to be sustainable and able to bring in new talent regularly wages need to be less than 60% of revenues, add in the current additional costs of the loans and probably 1 or more director it is closer to 55% of revenues and if anyone wants a major upgrade at the Turf then it needs to be closer to Tottenham's at around 45% - 50% (with knowledge that operating maintenance costs would also increase to manage such changes).

Wages are not going to decrease so revenues need to increase massively, that requires investment, ideally that would not be interest bearing.

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