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Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:15 pm
by Milltown1882
Clubs advertising a Global Partnerships Associate role on the official site if anyone’s in that line of work
https://media-cdn.incrowdsports.com/310 ... 3e50fe.pdf. Looking for someone with 3-5 years experience in a similar role for 18k, clearly it’s not just on the pitch where we’re cheap as chips
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:17 pm
by randomclaret2
Its not much above minimum wage
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:19 pm
by Milltown1882
randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:17 pm
Its not much above minimum wage
They’re also asking for someone with sales and account management experience, experience operating at C-Suite level and foreign language desirable. That’s without even looking at any of the other points. Crazy low balling that salary.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:23 pm
by Leisure
Work and plan to deliver targeted sales objectives and maintain a healthy pipeline
To maintain a healthy partnership sales pipeline
Is the use of 'pipeline' Amercian terminology?
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:24 pm
by randomclaret2
They can stick that salary in their pipeline and smoke it...
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:34 pm
by Marney&Mee
Leisure wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:23 pm
Work and plan to deliver targeted sales objectives and maintain a healthy pipeline
To maintain a healthy partnership sales pipeline
Is the use of 'pipeline' Amercian terminology?
Common sales term the world over Leisure
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:47 pm
by claret2018
Just seen this on Twitter, double that salary range would still be low.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:48 pm
by Funkydrummer
Any mention of computers ?
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:51 pm
by Leisure
Marney&Mee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:34 pm
Common sales term the world over Leisure
Ok. Always thought oil came through a pipeline!
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:22 pm
by Inchy
Rocky was interested until he realised he earns more selling golden gamble tickets
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:24 pm
by PWBFC
That salary is an absolute insult. Either they need to up it significantly or they're likely to be somewhat disappointed in the calibre of the candidates.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:26 pm
by Chester Perry
I have been waiting for this to appear since I saw it last night - my take was the wage was appallingly low considering they want someone with around 5 years of experience - just what is the bonus structure like.
It is good that we are building this side of things up - The person who has the role of head of that department has what appears to be very solid credentials, I am just not sure that this is how you go about supporting her. It maybe that one of our title sponsors SportFIVE are involved as they have huge global reach, though up to now it seems the long standing relationship has been focused primarily on the LED screens around the ground and the sales of advertising that features on them
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:28 pm
by Leisure
PWBFC wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:24 pm
That salary is an absolute insult. Either they need to up it significantly or they're likely to be somewhat disappointed in the calibre of the candidates.
Possibly relying on the attraction of working for a PL club?
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:33 pm
by clarethomer
I saw this and thought the same as everyone else.
If you were experienced in the slightest at this, surely you would know your value.
Feels like an example of where someone has tried to follow a template of what goes into a job advert and not actually stood back and thought is that the person we are looking for and is that the market rate.
Working for a football club in the commercial dept may be attractive to some but it's still probably someway short of what you could earn doing a similar commercial role. Unless the Bonuses are brilliant that is, which I doubt as they would then at least put an OTE with it.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:34 pm
by randomclaret2
They're also after a " Hospitality Co-ordinator" on even less money
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:50 pm
by ClaretTony
PWBFC wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:24 pm
That salary is an absolute insult. Either they need to up it significantly or they're likely to be somewhat disappointed in the calibre of the candidates.
I have to admit I was stunned when I saw the salaries on offer for the two roles but I seem to recall the salary on offer for the head of global partnerships was that high.
That role went to Ella Cummins who has worked for a number of football clubs but for the previous three years had been Commercial Sales Manager at Lancs County Cricket Club.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:59 pm
by Milltown1882
Leisure wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:28 pm
Possibly relying on the attraction of working for a PL club?
You could jump on an X43 and earn 10k more minimum for a more junior commercial role at the Etihad.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:07 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
You really have got to wonder what is going on behind the scenes.
Our graduates are on more money than that at work.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 pm
by elwaclaret
I suspect this will turn out to be a rather embarrassing typo. That is surely the figure for a very junior role used as a template and the figures have not been altered. It makes no sense.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:21 pm
by tim_noone
Leisure wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:51 pm
Ok. Always thought oil came through a pipeline!
I Worked on a Pipeline testing station in the Eighties....For the Morecambe Bay Gas Fields.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:22 pm
by IanMcL
Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:15 pm
Clubs advertising a Global Partnerships Associate role on the official site if anyone’s in that line of work
https://media-cdn.incrowdsports.com/310 ... 3e50fe.pdf. Looking for someone with 3-5 years experience in a similar role for 18k, clearly it’s not just on the pitch where we’re cheap as chips
£18k a week is not too bad.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:28 pm
by ClaretMat
It's either an error or a very, very heavily incentivised role. A lot of sales roles in the US have a relatively low basic wage but then great earning potential through bonuses. Potentially our owners are structuring the package in a similar way to what it would be in the US.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:37 pm
by Quickenthetempo
ClaretMat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:28 pm
It's either an error or a very, very heavily incentivised role. A lot of sales roles in the US have a relatively low basic wage but then great earning potential through bonuses. Potentially our owners are structuring the package in a similar way to what it would be in the US.
As long as we don't have to start tipping the turnstile operators or pie sellers.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:39 pm
by elwaclaret
ClaretMat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:28 pm
It's either an error or a very, very heavily incentivised role. A lot of sales roles in the US have a relatively low basic wage but then great earning potential through bonuses. Potentially our owners are structuring the package in a similar way to what it would be in the US.
Good point, I had a few long chats with a guy who sold boats to wealthy Americans... his commission on a good sale doubled his salary and he could comfortably take months off to go on diving trips around the Caribbean ...
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:43 pm
by Jimmymaccer
Dare I say it but I work in a bank and “pipeline” is a word used by sales to bullshit the level of how busy they are without actually delivering anything.........
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:44 pm
by joey13
Decent weekly wage
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:51 pm
by IanMcL
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:37 pm
As long as we don't have to start tipping the turnstile operators or pie sellers.
At least you could have a nice day!
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:51 pm
by Darthlaw
Looks to me more like the job spec has been written incorrectly, particularly when it talks of reporting to a 'head of global partnerships'. It also doesn't mention any travel, yet expects the individual to 'Drive revenue for Burnley Football Club across key global brand categories'. I'd suggest that would be quite difficult to do over the phone from Burnley.
Take that part out and it looks suited to someone who will assist the head - I'd then suggest the salary is reasonable as I've just recruited someone to a similar position.
However,
If this is expected to be the person who actually brings home the bacon from our Global Partnerships, then BFC are quite drunk. They'll need to treble that salary to get someone worth their salt.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:58 pm
by ClaretTony
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:51 pm
However,
If this is expected to be the person who actually brings home the bacon from our Global Partnerships, then BFC are quite drunk.
That's Emma Cummins who took the job that was advertised around a year ago.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 pm
by Darthlaw
There we go then.
This is someone who is meant to support Emma. Whilst I think the requirements for 3-5 years experience and a degree education is optimistic, the salary seems quite reasonable.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:08 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 pm
There we go then.
This is someone who is meant to support Emma. Whilst I think the requirements for 3-5 years experience and a degree education is optimistic, the salary seems quite reasonable.
No offence Darthlaw but if you are offering a job with requirements of 3-5 years experience (degree qualified) then that salary is a joke. You will only attract the worst staff, as decent staff know they are worth a lot more than that.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:12 pm
by Siddo
No HR professional would ask for 5 years experience due to age discrimination. Maybe 2 years in a role like this. Its a role that if stripped down is probably 32k to 40k max, but with bonus for achieving objectives.
Pipeline has been in use in the UK for over 20 years in sales and human resource development to indicate and assess potential talent coming through the organisation.
Doesn't bode well does it.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:15 pm
by Milltown1882
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 pm
There we go then.
This is someone who is meant to support Emma. Whilst I think the requirements for 3-5 years experience and a degree education is optimistic, the salary seems quite reasonable.
There is absolutely nothing reasonable about that salary when you look at the role, it’s easily a 30k job minimum. Ella isn’t going to be the only person generating and converting leads for the club if it’s going to work.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:15 pm
by Milltown1882
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:58 pm
That's Emma Cummins who took the job that was advertised around a year ago.
Ella Cummins
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:19 pm
by ClaretTony
I got the name right further up the thread
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:20 pm
by tarkys_ears
Has anyone got a copy of our Modern Slavery statement?
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:23 pm
by conyoviejo
It's a misprint,,the 1 should be a 4...hmm
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:36 pm
by Darthlaw
It’s an admin / assistant job with a fancy title (associate - lol) and a badly written spec.
They’re gonna be mopping up the admin, whilst Ella does the business.
£20k plus bonus is fine.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:39 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:36 pm
It’s an admin / assistant job with a fancy title (associate - lol) and a badly written spec.
They’re gonna be mopping up the admin, whilst Ella does the business.
£20k plus bonus is fine.
So either Burnley FC recruitment are incompetent or they are massively under paying.
Either way not great is it.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:43 pm
by Darthlaw
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:39 pm
So either Burnley FC recruitment are incompetent or they are massively under paying.
Either way not great is it.
I see it all the time with employers copy/pasting a departmental job spec and forgetting to edit out certain parts which should be specific to a role.
It’s clear as day it’s incorrect when it says this person must ‘drive revenue from global partnerships’ then a few lines later they ‘support the global head of partnerships’. Driving the revenue is the top persons role, not someone who ‘supports’.
Incompetent is probably a strong word for what is essentially poor proof reading, in this case.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:46 pm
by ClaretTony
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:43 pm
I see it all the time with employers copy/pasting a departmental job spec and forgetting to edit out certain parts which should be specific to a role.
It’s clear as day it’s incorrect when it says this person must ‘drive revenue from global partnerships’ then a few lines later they ‘support the global head of partnerships’. Driving the revenue is the top persons role, not someone who ‘supports’.
Incompetent is probably a strong word for what is essentially poor proof reading, in this case.
Don't forget, this is an ambitious and exciting new role.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:48 pm
by randomclaret2
I dont know which is the more unrealistic...this salary or expecting to sign Premier League footballers for £750k
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:21 pm
by Oshkoshclaret
This is either a ridiculously low wage for the job that's described; or the correct wage for an admin assistant with a ridiculously over-inflated job description. Either way, this doesn't reflect well on the club.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:07 am
by HunterST_BFC
All BFC jobs advertised have been woefully low pay for what is expected.
17K to work 9-5 + Matchdays. 28 days hol including BHols, Years of experience required, FOR A MANAGEMENT ROLE in the catering dept.
30 years ago maybe?
The club spends more than this on cosmetics at the training ground. (true)
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:13 am
by DCWat
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:43 pm
I see it all the time with employers copy/pasting a departmental job spec and forgetting to edit out certain parts which should be specific to a role.
It’s clear as day it’s incorrect when it says this person must ‘drive revenue from global partnerships’ then a few lines later they ‘support the global head of partnerships’. Driving the revenue is the top persons role, not someone who ‘supports’.
Incompetent is probably a strong word for what is essentially poor proof reading, in this case.
Surely it depends on the structure? A senior manager or indeed manager will ‘support’ a head of department. Support can mean much more than simply being a gopher.
I don’t know how many partnerships are in the ‘pipeline’ or in place but i wouldn’t be surprised if there was an expectation to drive revenue in lower roles.
The salary and description make for a very ambiguous advert which in itself gives a poor impression of the recruiter and / or employer.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:12 am
by Inchy
Maybe the club are only paying 18k to the head of recruitment? That could explain this
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:03 am
by Quickenthetempo
Whatever it is, people are laughing at the club for it.
A local club sponsor I know called it embarrassing.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:18 am
by taio
The £18k - £22k seems to be just the basic salary. There will be a bonus structure in place which for all we know could be generous and could increase earnings considerably. Seems like pretty standard stuff in commercial sales opportunities. Perhaps the advert could have included an OTE figure though. Also important to distinguish between essential and desirable requirements - 3 to 5 years experience in a similar role is just desirable.
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:24 am
by joey13
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:51 pm
Looks to me more like the job spec has been written incorrectly, particularly when it talks of reporting to a 'head of global partnerships'. It also doesn't mention any travel, yet expects the individual to 'Drive revenue for Burnley Football Club across key global brand categories'. I'd suggest that would be quite difficult to do over the phone from Burnley.
Take that part out and it looks suited to someone who will assist the head - I'd then suggest the salary is reasonable as I've just recruited someone to a similar position.
However,
If this is expected to be the person who actually brings home the bacon from our Global Partnerships, then BFC are quite drunk. They'll need to treble that salary to get someone worth their salt.
It’s barely minimum living wage
Re: Global Partnerships Associate job
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:30 am
by taio
joey13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:24 am
It’s barely minimum living wage
You would need to know details of the bonus scheme to know if that's true.