“A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

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Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:40 pm

if we can't legally boot them out then let them play in the Euro Super League on a Wednesday night then have the PL make them play on Tuesdays and Thursdays
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Post by bobinho » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:52 pm

If they no longer want a small piece of the pie to go to grass roots, then they shouldn’t be allowed to tap into its resources.

No transfers. No national comps. Isolate them. If they wanna start their own league, let them build their own infrastructure too. Surely it could be successfully argued that they can’t be allowed to strip the assets of the leagues they have opted to leave voluntarily? Sure the money for the PL as we know it now won’t exist as undoubtedly that will follow the greedy ones, but the PL will still exist only with a different “big six”.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:57 pm

Where is this big developing news that we were told was coming at 21.30 ?

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:02 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:34 pm
This is an intriguing statement from the ECA - many of it's board members are representatives of clubs said to have agreed to the super league (a number are also UEFA council and executive committee members)

https://twitter.com/ECAEurope/status/13 ... 30/photo/1

It seems the ECA website is currently experiencing problems as I cannot load it can you www.ecaeurope.com
Several journalists suggesting that this statement from the ECA followed a meeting that the 12 refused to attend - I have spoken for some time about the fractures in the ECA, if it wants to have credibility going forward then there needs to be a significant reconfiguring of the board there - and probably of it's members in UEFA too

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:07 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:57 pm
Where is this big developing news that we were told was coming at 21.30 ?
It was only a suggestion there would be - the statement from the ECA tells you that there is now a significant split in that organisation and therefore the power base of the biggest clubs have been undermined. Moreso as a result of Bayern, Dortmund and PSG so far refusing to join. You have to suspect that there have been a lot of promises made to them behind the scenes today - PSG and Bayern are cash rich - Dortmund most certainly are not but they have some major assets that can be converted into sizeable cash reserves, though that would be most likely from a group of only 14 clubs (and 12 of them have suggested they want to breakaway.

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:13 pm

I’m open to how they suggest it may work, but only if they can answer this question.

If Real Madrid or Man Utd for that matter are so crap after a few years, at what point does the entertainment factor become more important than the money? And when do they then get expelled?

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:18 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:40 pm
if we can't legally boot them out then let them play in the Euro Super League on a Wednesday night then have the PL make them play on Tuesdays and Thursdays
From what I’ve just read there’s a PL rule that prevents them from joining other leagues without PL board permission. Good. Boot them out & immediately relegate them.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:20 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:07 pm
It was only a suggestion there would be - the statement from the ECA tells you that there is now a significant split in that organisation and therefore the power base of the biggest clubs have been undermined. Moreso as a result of Bayern, Dortmund and PSG so far refusing to join. You have to suspect that there have been a lot of promises made to them behind the scenes today - PSG and Bayern are cash rich - Dortmund most certainly are not but they have some major assets that can be converted into sizeable cash reserves, though that would be most likely from a group of only 14 clubs (and 12 of them have suggested they want to breakaway.
So it’s really just a big game, right?

That’s fine by me. My family have been really enjoying the theatricals by the likes of Neville today

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Post by jedi_master » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:24 pm

The frustrating thing is, the Premier League will not kick them out and we all know it - just as the clubs themselves do.

Of course it’s what everyone would love to see happen (bar the fans of those clubs) but they are ‘the product’. They are why the TV money is what it is, they are why Sky have seen fit to broadcast every game this season when Covid made it possible and they are, single handedly, keeping Sky subscriptions going. No big six, no product (in the eyes of the dickheads that organise our sport anyway).

It’s a hollow threat they’d never follow through on, and that’s the reason I believe this Super League will happen. It’s brinksmanship from the 12 clubs to get more money from UEFA for the Champions League and if they don’t blink they will make their own new European competition instead of participating in the Champions League. I do not believe for one second that the FA will boot them out of the FA Cup, nor do I believe that the Premier League will remove them from this division. Stopping players playing internationally also sounds borderline illegal, again, a hollow threat.

Just my opinion - I’d love to see them stripped of being allowed to ever participate in our pyramid system again for this but I’m a realist and the power they wield will never go away. We all know how corrupt this league is, any pretence that the league holds the power/balls/integrity to follow through with what is being suggested will soon go up in smoke.

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:24 pm

just watched gary neville criticising the deal, saying how it is a working mans club at united and that their owners have nothing to do with football, just greed. can't recall him bothering to say the same when they had him onboard with all their billions pouring in, and him a happy employee picking up multi thousand monthly cheques.

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Post by elwaclaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm

I am not aware of one single fan of clubs out of the top league being in favour of the Premiership, interesting those who wanted no relegation... Oldham were among the noisiest. One look at Oldham’s position in the tables demonstrates that there was enough pressure even then to protect the football pyramid.

Let them do it, kick them out of the leagues and make sure anyone turning out for them is out of bounds.... we will get the Globtrotters doing exhibition games, the clubs get their money and we get a proper league back.... but make it absolutely clear once they leave,to return they start at the bottom...

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:57 pm
Where is this big developing news that we were told was coming at 21.30 ?
Most likely have had to can the planned statement due to the uproar.

Probably rewriting it & trying to agree it with all the other clubs. I’ll be surprised if one comes tonight.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:18 pm
From what I’ve just read there’s a PL rule that prevents them from joining other leagues without PL board permission. Good. Boot them out & immediately relegate them.
there is differing legal opinion of the voracity of that rule from a free competition perspective - it may stand up - but you can bet the big six clubs have deeper pockets to challenge it through the legal system over many years - suspending them during that process could risk huge compensation payments if the league loses and at the same time see a dramatic loss of tv revenue as broadcasters would argue that they are not getting what they paid for. If you doubt that look at what happened to the overseas TV deals in Scotland when Rangers were relegated.
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Post by Elizabeth » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:31 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm
Most likely have had to can the planned statement due to the uproar.

Probably rewriting it & trying to agree it with all the other clubs. I’ll be surprised if one comes tonight.
Don’t you love it . As rich as **** , as dumb as Dunn

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:34 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:31 pm
Don’t you love it . As rich as **** , as dumb as Dunn
Bit harsh on Jimmy, that ;)

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm
there is differing legal opinion of the voracity of that rule from a free competition perspective - it mat stand up - but you can bet the big six clubs have deeper pockets to challenge it through the legal system over many years - suspending them during that process could risk huge compensation payments if the league loses and at the same time see a dramatic loss of tv revenue as broadcasters would argue that they are not getting what they paid for. If you doubt that look at what happened to the overseas TV deals in Scotland when Rangers were relegated.
Fair points. I hadn’t considered the TV revenue perspective. I do think they’ll have to take strong action if this turns out to be true though.

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Post by Elizabeth » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:42 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:34 pm
Bit harsh on Jimmy, that ;)
Don’t these power games bore you 😫

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:44 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:42 pm
Don’t these power games bore you 😫
endlessly

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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:46 pm

So vigorously were Gary Neville and his fellow pundits protesting that they could probably foresee a blockbuster movie becoming reality:

SKYFALL


:lol: :lol:

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Post by CombatClaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:57 pm

The big clubs leaving won't remove the money from football, it will simply transfer it somewhere else we don't have access to.

It won't give rise to a new "Big 6", you have to be at the top table, is there a big 6 in the Vanarama National League? Of course not.
And anyway what happens to the owners of the current mid table teams when their playthings teams or investment vehicles are no longer getting the eyeballs & therefore ad revenue from playing City & the like? Think they'll keep pumping in millions to win the new second division, whole thing will collapse.

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Post by kentonclaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:05 pm

With the incentive of getting into Europe and playing in the Champions League via the PL taken away (closed shop) no longer any incentive for foreign owners to buy large stakes in Championship and Division One clubs.

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:19 pm

Football died tonight

RIP football
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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:23 pm

The full statement

https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1 ... 4508672003

contains promises of large "solidarity payments" and a women's version to follow soon
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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:25 pm

I’m in favour of government passing legislation to ensure 51% fans ownership of all professional clubs similar to in Germany, with the occasional special dispensation, again, as in Germany. It will erode shareholder value but to quote the great Barry Davies “frankly, who cares”.

I don’t think that would particularly tarnish the UK as being “closed for business” and I don’t think it would cause a problem with the wider public or attending fans.

I don’t know everything about any of the people who own these “super league six” and I don’t even know for sure who owns one of them (but I suspect it is murky). What I do feel confident in though is that these owners don’t care one jot about us, the English public, and the fans who attend games. That means something very dramatic has to change.

The government won’t do it of course, but I can dream.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:27 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:25 pm
I’m in favour of government passing legislation to ensure 51% fans ownership of all professional clubs similar to in Germany, with the occasional special dispensation, again, as in Germany. It will erode shareholder value but to quote the great Barry Davies “frankly, who cares”.

I don’t think that would particularly tarnish the UK as being “closed for business” and I don’t think it would cause a problem with the wider public or attending fans.

I don’t know everything about any of the people who own these “super league six” and I don’t even know for sure who owns one of them (but I suspect it is murky). What I do feel confident in though is that these owners don’t care one jot about us, the English public, and the fans who attend games. That means something very dramatic has to change.

The government won’t do it of course, but I can dream.
There are already clubs in Germany that no longer operate under those rules, and retrofitting it in the UK is unworkable in law

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:30 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:23 pm
The full statement

https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1 ... 4508672003

contains promises of large "solidarity payments" and a women's version to follow soon
The sums discussed are astronomical

and some absolute gold dust PR flannel too
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Post by Murger » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:33 pm

Good to know that players from these teams will be banned from playing for their national side.

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Post by DCWat » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:34 pm

Who the hell do these people think they are speaking on behalf of!? It certainly isn’t me or the average fan that I know.

It’ll make not a bit of difference, but I won’t be spending a second of time or a single penny on any European competition involving these teams.

Enough really is enough with the greed of football

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:34 pm

Official Statement from Real Madrid - who need this to be ratified by their members - as do Barcelona

https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/202 ... -superliga

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:35 pm

Murger wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:33 pm
Good to know that players from these teams will be banned from playing for their national side.
that has yet to be determined
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Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:35 pm

Murger wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:33 pm
Good to know that players from these teams will be banned from playing for their national side.
Our players all of a sudden get a chance to play for England :D

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Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:36 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:35 pm
that has yet to be determined
Well UEFA have stated (or a statement to that effect) that in the past 10 minutes on Twitter

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Post by WazzaClaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:37 pm

I could be wrong (and i am often), but do i understand this right... €3.5b shared between 20 teams and €6.5b shared between the 1000+ clubs in europe? Is so it sounds like a class deal :roll:
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Post by 4:20 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:38 pm

Devastating.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:38 pm

Manchester United have also released the same statement

https://ir.manutd.com/press-releases.aspx


LEADING EUROPEAN FOOTBALL CLUBS ANNOUNCE PARTICIPATION IN NEW SUPER LEAGUE COMPETITION
Released : 04/18/2021

MANCHESTER, England--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new mid-week competition, the Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.

AC Milan, Arsenal FC, Atlético de Madrid, Chelsea FC, FC Barcelona, FC Internazionale Milano, Juventus FC, Liverpool FC, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid CF and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as Founding Clubs. It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.

Going forward, the Founding Clubs look forward to holding discussions with UEFA and FIFA to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new League and for football as a whole.

The formation of the Super League comes at a time when the global pandemic has accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model. Further, for a number of years, the Founding Clubs have had the objective of improving the quality and intensity of existing European competitions throughout each season, and of creating a format for top clubs and players to compete on a regular basis.

The pandemic has shown that a strategic vision and a sustainable commercial approach are required to enhance value and support for the benefit of the entire European football pyramid. In recent months extensive dialogue has taken place with football stakeholders regarding the future format of European competitions. The Founding Clubs believe the solutions proposed following these talks do not solve fundamental issues, including the need to provide higher-quality matches and additional financial resources for the overall football pyramid.

Competition Format

20 participating clubs with 15 Founding Clubs and a qualifying mechanism for a further five teams to qualify annually based on achievements in the prior season.
Midweek fixtures with all participating clubs continuing to compete in their respective national leagues, preserving the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game.
An August start with clubs participating in two groups of ten, playing home and away fixtures, with the top three in each group automatically qualifying for the quarter finals. Teams finishing fourth and fifth will then compete in a two-legged play-off for the remaining quarter-final positions. A two-leg knockout format will be used to reach the final at the end of May, which will be staged as a single fixture at a neutral venue.
As soon as practicable after the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.

The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments will be substantially higher than those generated by the current European competition and are expected to be in excess of €10 billion during the course of the initial commitment period of the Clubs. In addition, the competition will be built on a sustainable financial foundation with all Founding Clubs signing up to a spending framework. In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.

Florentino Pérez, President Real Madrid CF and the first Chairman of the Super League said: “We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.”

Backing the new European league, Andrea Agnelli, Chairman of Juventus and Vice-Chairman of the Super League said: “Our 12 Founder clubs represent billions of fans across the globe and 99 European trophies. We have come together at this critical moment, enabling European competition to be transformed, putting the game we love on a sustainable footing for the long-term future, substantially increasing solidarity, and giving fans and amateur players a regular flow of headline fixtures that will feed their passion for the game while providing them with engaging role models.”

Joel Glazer, Co-Chairman of Manchester United and Vice-Chairman of the Super League said: “By bringing together the world’s greatest clubs and players to play each other throughout the season, the Super League will open a new chapter for European football, ensuring world-class competition and facilities, and increased financial support for the wider football pyramid.”

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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:39 pm

If these Clubs want to leave, there is nothing that anyone can do to stop them.

For me. they leave with my blessing.

Will I watch any of their games? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did I say there was nothing that anyone can do? ;)

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:39 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:25 pm
there is differing legal opinion of the voracity of that rule from a free competition perspective - it may stand up - but you can bet the big six clubs have deeper pockets to challenge it through the legal system over many years - suspending them during that process could risk huge compensation payments if the league loses and at the same time see a dramatic loss of tv revenue as broadcasters would argue that they are not getting what they paid for. If you doubt that look at what happened to the overseas TV deals in Scotland when Rangers were relegated.
There is differing legal opinion but there is also the 14 club voting rule in the Premier League for certain reforms. 6 rebelling clubs seems a risky number in that context. Sooner or later the Premier League or indeed the UK government could choose to do something radical, once they sense public opinion is with them. It hasn’t been so far - I suspect the feeling has been if it isn't broke don’t try to fix it. That could change now though. Are these billionaires strong enough to prevent that? I’m not sure they are. Not many ties to the UK in that bunch. My inclination is to remind these owners where power really sits - probably the UK taxpayer / voter.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:40 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:39 pm
If these Clubs want to leave, there is nothing that anyone can do to stop them.

For me. they leave with my blessing.

Will I watch any of their games? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did I say there was nothing that anyone can do? ;)
They aren’t planning on leaving. They’re intending to run this league alongside their respective domestic leagues.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:40 pm

bizarre that they think over half of the worlds population support just 12 teams

There have been suggestions through the day that this is being financed by Saudi Arabian sources - the sums being talked about suggest few others could afford such seed funding

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:40 pm
They aren’t planning on leaving. They’re intending to run this league alongside their respective domestic leagues.
The choice to leave should be taken out of their hands - do this, and then they should be kicked out. Re entry to the league should be at the bottom of the pyramid system

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:43 pm

This move will have a devastating effect on the finances of clubs that have become dependent on Sky TV money, since the Premier League will lose much of it's gloss with 6high profile clubs jumping ship.

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:40 pm
They aren’t planning on leaving. They’re intending to run this league alongside their respective domestic leagues.
Of course, we won't have any managers complaining about playing too many games now ;)

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:46 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:43 pm
The choice to leave should be taken out of their hands - do this, and then they should be kicked out. Re entry to the league should be at the bottom of the pyramid system
But do they really care about being in the domestic leagues? Presumably they think they will be rewarded more from this Super League, so could technically play a B team in domestic fixtures and drop down into League 2 for example, but still rake in more cash from the European League.
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:47 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:44 pm
Of course, we won't have any managers complaining about playing too many games now ;)
Exactly. See my post above. They wont take the PL seriously because the founder members will retain their more lucrative Super League position regardless.

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:48 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:44 pm
Of course, we won't have any managers complaining about playing too many games now ;)
your forgetting Project Big Picture and the 18 team Premier League - that contained huge solidarity payment bribes that the EFL fell for hook line and sinker but have since been shown as empty promises as a result of consequential income drops from the sources of those solidarity payments

add in no League cup and reduce FA Cup games
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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:48 pm

If the Premier League had any balls whatsoever, they'd expel these greedy b'stards from their domestic league!

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:50 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:27 pm
There are already clubs in Germany that no longer operate under those rules, and retrofitting it in the UK is unworkable in law
Unworkable in what law? Laws can be changed, that’s the point I’m making, and we have a government very keen on populism. Most “red wall” voters would prefer action to stop these reforms and they are the voters likely to decide the next general election.

I’m aware of RB Leipzig, Wolfsberg, Bayer Leverkusen etc. But they have either shot up through the leagues or were originally linked to private companies like Bayer and Voltswagen. Here we are very different.

In the context of what is happening in China with Alibaba and what happened in Russia with Yukos and the rest, this would still be a very democratic intervention and in keeping with our values in the UK. Crikey, I’m starting to sound like Jeremy Corbyn, time for me to go to bed :D

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:50 pm

This is significant

Told that Juventus have just quit the European Club Association and Andrea Agnelli has resigned as its chairman and also from Uefa Executive committee..

https://twitter.com/JBurtTelegraph/stat ... updates%2F

The Uefa President was a close friend and Godfather to his daughter

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Re: “A blatant power grab” – Fans criticise own clubs on UCL plans

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:53 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:48 pm
If the Premier League had any balls whatsoever, they'd expel these greedy b'stards from their domestic league!
I don’t disagree with that position per se, but unfortunately the vast number of people associated with those clubs will be decent football people - like we are on this board. So we shouldn’t tar these people with the same brush as the greedy owners. I doubt many Spurs or Man U season ticket holders are in favour of this.

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