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Re: BPF

Post by Rileybobs » Wed May 19, 2021 7:33 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:27 pm
Find putting Norris in in front of BPF will be an interesting debate on here.
Must say, I'm a bit baffled.
How come, out of interest?

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Re: BPF

Post by CnBtruntru » Wed May 19, 2021 7:44 pm

He has a bad back after all the bending he did the other day!

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 7:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:18 pm
Dropped for Norris tonight
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Dropped? or is it just a chance to see how Norris does?
it's a squad game.

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Re: BPF

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed May 19, 2021 8:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:33 pm
How come, out of interest?


He was left badly exposed against Leeds. Made him look a bit more culpable than he was. Just my opinion.
He's not injured so, think SD ought to stick with him.
But guess we don't know all the ins and outs.
I just find it an odd decision.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 8:52 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 8:18 pm
He was left badly exposed against Leeds. Made him look a bit more culpable than he was. Just my opinion.
He's not injured so, think SD ought to stick with him.
But guess we don't know all the ins and outs.
I just find it an odd decision.
So many similarities to the Joe Hart situation.

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Re: BPF

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed May 19, 2021 8:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 8:52 pm
So many similarities to the Joe Hart situation.
You might be right there, Bill.
Most the flak he took was never justified.

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Re: BPF

Post by jedi_master » Wed May 19, 2021 9:04 pm

Whether Pope goes or not, I’m pretty confident we will be signing a keeper this summer.

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Re: BPF

Post by tim_noone » Wed May 19, 2021 9:06 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:04 pm
Whether Pope goes or not, I’m pretty confident we will be signing a keeper this summer.
Norris will be up to second choice...

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 9:11 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:06 pm
Norris will be up to second choice...
You may be a bit early with that prediction, Tim ;)

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Re: BPF

Post by tim_noone » Wed May 19, 2021 9:16 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:11 pm
You may be a bit early with that prediction, Tim ;)
Yes I'll reserve judgement till after the Game. BPF doesn't fill fans with confidence though.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 9:18 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:16 pm
Yes I'll reserve judgement till after the Game. BPF doesn't fill fans with confidence though.
Spoiled by having Heaton and Pope.

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Re: BPF

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed May 19, 2021 9:29 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:06 pm
Norris will be up to second choice...
Not on what we’ve seen tonight.

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Re: BPF

Post by Herts Clarets » Wed May 19, 2021 9:38 pm

What train of thought says we are playing the reigning champions, how about sticking the third choice keeper in goal. You know, the one who has played 1 min of PL football previously

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Re: BPF

Post by Boss Hogg » Wed May 19, 2021 9:39 pm

We’ve been spoilt for a while with having a number of good keepers on the books at once. Neither of our current back up keepers look good enough unfortunately.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 9:41 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:39 pm
We’ve been spoilt for a while with having a number of good keepers on the books at once. Neither of our current back up keepers look good enough unfortunately.
They just don't get enough competitive football. i often wonder how they stay motivated.

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Re: BPF

Post by Herts Clarets » Wed May 19, 2021 10:05 pm

3 shots on target, 3 goals for Liverpool.

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Re: BPF

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed May 19, 2021 10:06 pm

Norris nowhere near the level of BPF who in turn is nowhere near Pope.

Feel for Leicester fans - seems daft at 3-0 but better keeping and a better finish from Wood we win that game.

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Re: BPF

Post by ClaretMat » Wed May 19, 2021 10:07 pm

Question marks on all 3 goals unfortunately.
BPF better on that showing.

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Re: BPF

Post by Rileybobs » Wed May 19, 2021 10:08 pm

I obviously don’t expect our back up goalkeepers to be as good as Pope but do either of them have a save in them? I genuinely think Pope would have saved all 3 tonight.

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Re: BPF

Post by beddie » Wed May 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Shocking to drop BPF. That will have done his confidence the world of good (not). To be honest I’m disappointed in Dyche doing that.

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Re: BPF

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed May 19, 2021 10:13 pm

BPF let 4 in. Norris only 3.

Neither look good enough.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 10:14 pm

beddie wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:09 pm
Shocking to drop BPF. That will have done his confidence the world of good (not). To be honest I’m disappointed in Dyche doing that.
All depends on the dialogue and how the situation is managed.

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Re: BPF

Post by claretcarrot93 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:15 pm

Pope saves around 5/7 last goals we conceded

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Re: BPF

Post by Spijed » Wed May 19, 2021 10:16 pm

Tom Heaton is likely to go to to Man U. as 3rd choice by sounds of it.

Is he past it at this level or a better option than Norris or BPF?

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 10:19 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:15 pm
Pope saves around 5/7 last goals we conceded
we've let in 3 and 4 goals regularly this season, nevermind who's in goal.

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Re: BPF

Post by Rileybobs » Wed May 19, 2021 10:20 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:15 pm
Pope saves around 5/7 last goals we conceded
I agree entirely. On this evidence I hope we have a goalkeeper on our shopping list as a long term injury for Pope could be fatal.
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Re: BPF

Post by claretcarrot93 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:20 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:20 pm
I agree entirely. On this evidence I hope we have a goalkeeper on our shopping list as a long term injury for Pope could be fatal.
I think he saves all 3 tonight and at least 2 against Leeds

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Re: BPF

Post by beddie » Wed May 19, 2021 10:21 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:16 pm
Tom Heaton is likely to go to to Man U. as 3rd choice by sounds of it.

Is he past it at this level or a better option than Norris or BPF?
If Pope goes I’d have Tom back as no:1

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Re: BPF

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Wed May 19, 2021 10:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:14 pm
All depends on the dialogue and how the situation is managed.
Not really.

BPF has waited ages for a chance. Originally (I think) he was 3rd choice. 1 game, then out. 2 games, then Pope back. Now, 1 game, then dropped.

I don’t actually have a major problem with it but it’s obvious Norris is the goalkeeping Kevin Long, nowhere near good enough. He did OK, but the quality gap was there. Simply no reason to bench BPF who has some potential and is younger.

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Re: BPF

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed May 19, 2021 10:31 pm

Seems to be another area we have been really poor with recruitment in the last few years.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 10:37 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:21 pm
Not really.

BPF has waited ages for a chance. Originally (I think) he was 3rd choice. 1 game, then out. 2 games, then Pope back. Now, 1 game, then dropped.

I don’t actually have a major problem with it but it’s obvious Norris is the goalkeeping Kevin Long, nowhere near good enough. He did OK, but the quality gap was there. Simply no reason to bench BPF who has some potential and is younger.
Like I said, it all depends how it's been handled. We don't know what goes on at the club.
Perhaps Norris was always earmarked for this game.
Pope will probably play against Sheff Utd.

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Re: BPF

Post by Elizabeth » Wed May 19, 2021 10:41 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:19 pm
we've let in 3 and 4 goals regularly this season, nevermind

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Re: BPF

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed May 19, 2021 11:24 pm

I thought Norris was very poor tonight. Maybe a bit nervous with the first premier league start but didn’t look at all confident and his attempt at stopping the first goal was awful.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 19, 2021 11:28 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 10:41 pm
Elizabeth,
I don't mind you quoting me, but please don't "clip" it, it makes a difference to what I said.

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Re: BPF

Post by aggi » Thu May 20, 2021 12:06 am

Given his lack of experience I assumed that Norris was a youngster. Pretty surprised to see that he's considerably older than BPF at 27.

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Re: BPF

Post by KRBFC » Thu May 20, 2021 12:48 pm

They couldn't catch a cold between the pair of them

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Re: BPF

Post by warksclaret » Thu May 20, 2021 3:17 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 11:24 pm
I thought Norris was very poor tonight. Maybe a bit nervous with the first premier league start but didn’t look at all confident and his attempt at stopping the first goal was awful.
With the first goal he looked like an outfield player going in goal. Must have been so disheartening for the defence to see. You can see why every PL club has a top notch No2 keeper, to such an extent that there is often not a huge amount to choose from them in terms of ability.

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Re: BPF

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu May 20, 2021 3:35 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 3:17 pm
With the first goal he looked like an outfield player going in goal. Must have been so disheartening for the defence to see. You can see why every PL club has a top notch No2 keeper, to such an extent that there is often not a huge amount to choose from them in terms of ability.
Plenty of difference in some sides, it’s like night & day here, the bugbear being if you don’t play the keepers competitively they’ll never improve, last night BPF should have played with the message - look lad you f**ked up against Leeds & should have done better, go & have a do & prove them wrong lad, confidence comes with positivity.

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Re: BPF

Post by Elizabeth » Thu May 20, 2021 4:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 11:28 pm
Elizabeth,
I don't mind you quoting me, but please don't "clip" it, it makes a difference to what I said.
Apologies bill , it must have been an error

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Re: BPF

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu May 20, 2021 4:09 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:41 pm
They just don't get enough competitive football. i often wonder how they stay motivated.

Several thousand reasons a week, I'm thinking....

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Re: BPF

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu May 20, 2021 5:07 pm

Guy at work used to play with Norris at Hatfield town and Royston. He was shocked to say the least to see him start last night as he was nothing more than a half decent keeper in what must be a side in the 8th or 9th tier of English football. He looked less than half decent last night...

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Re: BPF

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu May 20, 2021 8:39 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:38 pm
What train of thought says we are playing the reigning champions, how about sticking the third choice keeper in goal. You know, the one who has played 1 min of PL football previously
The train of thought that we are safe. The rookie who has been playing hasn’t been good enough. And good management to take the pressure and attention away from him.

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Re: BPF

Post by Herts Clarets » Thu May 20, 2021 8:46 pm

So no consideration of playing the more experienced keeper to try to get something from the game and boost our finishing position and therefore prize money?

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Re: BPF

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu May 20, 2021 8:52 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 8:46 pm
So no consideration of playing the more experienced keeper to try to get something from the game and boost our finishing position and therefore prize money?
The more experienced keeper hasn’t been good enough though. Not like he’s shown anything that gives any confidence he would make any positive difference.

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Re: BPF

Post by ecc » Thu May 20, 2021 9:30 pm

I'm not looking for an argument (there are enough people doing that already) but I would genuinely like to read opinions on what exactly Norris did wrong or what he should have done for each goal.

I ask because there ARE people on here who know far more than me about goalkeeping.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Thu May 20, 2021 9:31 pm

ecc wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 9:30 pm
I'm not looking for an argument (there are enough people doing that already) but I would genuinely like to read opinions on what exactly Norris did wrong or what he should have done for each goal.

I ask because there ARE people on here who know far more than me about goalkeeping.
And lots more who think they do ;)

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Re: BPF

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu May 20, 2021 10:05 pm

Thought Mercer made goalkeepers brilliant - that's what people kept saying on here

Both nowhere near good enough for too flight football

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Re: BPF

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Thought Mercer made goalkeepers brilliant - that's what people kept saying on here

Both nowhere near good enough for too flight football
I think Heaton and Pope are pretty good examples of what Mercer has done?

Identified and Signed from 2 relegated teams in the championship and both represented/ing England.

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Re: BPF

Post by boatshed bill » Thu May 20, 2021 10:16 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Thought Mercer made goalkeepers brilliant - that's what people kept saying on here

Both nowhere near good enough for too flight football
i have no doubt that he is a very good coach, but he can only work with what he is given.
I commented on this last night but I don't think it went down too well.
the only people, as far as I know, who are making BM out to be a miracle worker are posters on this MB.

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Re: BPF

Post by Targetman » Thu May 20, 2021 10:21 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Thought Mercer made goalkeepers brilliant - that's what people kept saying on here

Both nowhere near good enough for too flight football
You always seem to be very quick to criticise people, whether its Burnley FC staff or posters on this website.
Occasionally it might be justified but most of the time it isn't.

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