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James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by colner » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:05 am

I sit on the second to back row in the JHL,i received a text yest from the guy who sits in front of me to say that he has been contacted by the club requesting that he can move to anywhere in the ground at no extra cost [ie upgrade] for NEXT season,so that they can use his current seat for corporate expansion. Everyone who sits in the back 3/4 rows will be contacted. Apparently this was signed off by the previous regime. Anyone else had a call?
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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:09 am

Doesn’t affect me but heard there is to be some serious investment in the hospitality areas. Not before time. They’re nowhere near the standard of a premier league club.

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by djemba-djemba » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:14 am

colner wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:05 am
I sit on the second to back row in the JHL,i received a text yest from the guy who sits in front of me to say that he has been contacted by the club requesting that he can move to anywhere in the ground free of charge for NEXT season,so that they can use his current seat for corporate expansion. Everyone who sits in the back 3/4 rows will be contacted. Apparently this was signed off by the previous regime. Anyone else had a call?
Did he request his free season ticket in the corporate box?

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Post by beddie » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:20 am

We sit on the very back row (half way line) that butts up to the corporate seats. I really hope we don't have to move as they are brilliant seats being the first three on the row, we've had them since inception of the stand so we're really hoping this wont affect us.

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Post by colner » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:21 am

I think that will be my request djemba-djemba. There's going to be a lot of disgruntled fans to move and rehouse,so i wouldnt like to be the person who has been tasked with the telephony job if this is true

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:50 am

beddie wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:20 am
We sit on the very back row (half way line) that butts up to the corporate seats. I really hope we don't have to move as they are brilliant seats being the first three on the row, we've had them since inception of the stand so we're really hoping this wont affect us.
Sounds like your seats will be the first snapped up by the club. Best views for corporate.

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Post by Leisure » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:03 am

I used to sit at the back of the JM Lower and had to move when they developed the rear of the stand. Wasn't happy but moved into the centre of JH Upper and have never looked back. Didn't realise just what a great view it was from up there until I moved there.

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Post by Grumps » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:18 am

I hope they get more bums on seats than those behind the goals

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by Bcrollerz » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:21 am

colner wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:05 am
I sit on the second to back row in the JHL,i received a text yest from the guy who sits in front of me to say that he has been contacted by the club requesting that he can move to anywhere in the ground free of charge for NEXT season,so that they can use his current seat for corporate expansion. Everyone who sits in the back 3/4 rows will be contacted. Apparently this was signed off by the previous regime. Anyone else had a call?
The whole lower tier outside seats for corporate are being expanded down over summer to double the size i heard. This will affect everybody in the whole stand

About time too. That corporate area is shocking.compared to some.ive been in at championship grounds. Needed to get with the times

The one we use has had the same blinds for about 20 years half falling to bits

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Post by Top Claret » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:28 am

James Hargreaves lower are dreadful seats, who wants sit outside in the snow and rain, and pay a couple of grand for the privalage, no thanks

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Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:38 am

How recently was it that all the seats in the JHL were renewed ?

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Post by Marty Dobson » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:51 am

I'm renewed in row K in the JHL. its about 2/3rds of the way up from the front. I love it there, great view and great banter despite the less than ideal climatic conditions at times. i wont mention the section but its not in the centre. They can have my seat provided i'm allowed continue standing in the position that my seat now occupies
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:03 pm

colner wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:05 am
I sit on the second to back row in the JHL,i received a text yest from the guy who sits in front of me to say that he has been contacted by the club requesting that he can move to anywhere in the ground free of charge for NEXT season,so that they can use his current seat for corporate expansion. Everyone who sits in the back 3/4 rows will be contacted. Apparently this was signed off by the previous regime. Anyone else had a call?
Are you sure it's free or is it with no additional charge if moving to a higher priced seat?

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:05 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:38 am
How recently was it that all the seats in the JHL were renewed ?
Summer 2019

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by Leisure » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:03 pm
Are you sure it's free or is it with no additional charge if moving to a higher priced seat?
When I was moved I got the new seat in the higher priced JHU at the same price as I was paying in JML just for the next season but then had to pay the proper price the following year. But if they're offering him it for free then it's a bargin!

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:17 pm

It's not a bargain though free or otherwise. Groups of people have sat together there for years. Best seats and now asked to move elsewhere where chances of getting a group together with friends and family are next to zero

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:22 pm

Is this definitely true. I've renewed on back row and no message or communication

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Post by woody » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:44 pm

The plan was to increase the size of the boxes from the Cricketfield stand to the halfway line, I don’t know if it will affect the other half as these are going to be individual tables rather than boxes.

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Post by colner » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:05 pm

Claret Tony- He was told he could move to anywhere in the ground but not pay any extra charge,sorry for the confusion,I've edited my original post
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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:08 pm

Colner, do you mind me asking which block this is in? and have you renewed? Seems like the communication from the club needs to be improved, yet again

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Post by colner » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:10 pm

i sit in block 6,so this may apply to me if its to happen

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:12 pm

colner wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:05 pm
Claret Tony- He was told he could move to anywhere in the ground but not pay any extra charge,sorry for the confusion
That makes more sense.

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:13 pm

Colner, do you mind me asking which block this is in? and have you renewed? Seems like the communication from the club needs to be improved, yet again

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Post by alwaysaclaret » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:14 pm

woody wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:44 pm
The plan was to increase the size of the boxes from the Cricketfield stand to the halfway line, I don’t know if it will affect the other half as these are going to be individual tables rather than boxes.
Lot's of fan's wish the club to increase capacity, if this is true it seems someone's idea is to reduce it, but of course as was evident this week with the super league idea the motive could be money, hospitality would clearly bring more in than the present layout.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:16 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:14 pm
Lot's of fan's wish the club to increase capacity, if this is true it seems someone's idea is to reduce it, but of course as was evident this week with the super league idea the motive could be money, hospitality would clearly bring more in than the present layout.
We are desperately short of hospitality spaces. It’s been an ongoing problem how to expand it.

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:23 pm

Whilst we may be short of hospitality, something I'd question as there are boxes empty, this decision and method of communication seems ridiculous. There will be many fans that have had really good seats, with friends and family that now have to move. As mentioned, I've renewed, and no indication that I may not get the seat I've now bought.
Corporate is all well and good, but the club have to ensure that loyal supporters are not pushed to one side.

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Post by colner » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:25 pm

Indeed Rombald,especially in light of whats happened this week with the ESL fiasco

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Post by alwaysaclaret » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:16 pm
We are desperately short of hospitality spaces. It’s been an ongoing problem how to expand it.
Imo we desperately need to increase the capacity to around the 25,000 mark, obviously by doing so we would in some way increase hospitality, we all know the arguments of increasing capacity and whether we can fill it or not but if it's not there we'll never fill it, we have to market the thing to do that and I'm sure it will be something the new owners will be thinking about, obviously it would mean an upgrade to the bl or cfs, but we can't stand still for ever. Not easy though for a club of our stature to balance this against improving the playing squad as well in terms of finance's ?

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:29 pm

Agreed colner. I'd imagine a large percentage of those impacted have had seats there for many years. An odd way of treating your long standing supporters. If it has to be done ,then clear communication is a minimum requirement.
Did your friend have the opportunity to select another seat now?

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:31 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:27 pm
Imo we desperately need to increase the capacity to around the 25,000 mark, obviously by doing so we would in some way increase hospitality, we all know the arguments of increasing capacity and whether we can fill it or not but if it's not there we'll never fill it, we have to market the thing to do that and I'm sure it will be something the new owners will be thinking about, obviously it would mean an upgrade to the bl or cfs, but we can't stand still for ever. Not easy though for a club of our stature to balance this against improving the playing squad as well in terms of finance's ?
If you go to the more recently built grounds most of the hospitality is on one side of the ground. Ours is all over the place in three stands as we’ve looked for more and more space. We considered building more space attached to the Bob Lord towards the cricket field end, similar to the office space on the other side, but there were no seats available for them to watch the games.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:11 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:27 pm
Imo we desperately need to increase the capacity to around the 25,000 mark, obviously by doing so we would in some way increase hospitality, we all know the arguments of increasing capacity and whether we can fill it or not but if it's not there we'll never fill it, we have to market the thing to do that and I'm sure it will be something the new owners will be thinking about, obviously it would mean an upgrade to the bl or cfs, but we can't stand still for ever. Not easy though for a club of our stature to balance this against improving the playing squad as well in terms of finance's ?
There is no doubt that the club can significantly increase matchday revenues without increasing overall capacity, perhaps more so if it reduces capacity by several hundred seats (perhaps even in the 1000s). This could be done by replacing existing seating in select vantage points with more spacious (and considerably more expensive) seating with associated hospitality offerings, limiting the number of ordinary season tickets and creating such demand for matchday tickets (which you have to be an annual paid up member to purchase in 2 - 4 sales a season) that games become sell outs as demand increases (and matchday prices). This is a model that many European clubs have caught on to, particularly in Italy where there are many plans for new smaller stadiums, it has been a staple in the Premier League for many years.

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:17 pm

And then run the risk of alienating a large proportion of "normal" fans..it can be done, but in Burnley?

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Post by Spijed » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:29 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:27 pm
Imo we desperately need to increase the capacity to around the 25,000 mark,
We don't come close to selling out for the majority of games with capacity as it is.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:45 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:17 pm
And then run the risk of alienating a large proportion of "normal" fans..it can be done, but in Burnley?
that is the question,

We are now seeing that the club were creeping ahead with the conversion of ordinary seats to corporate/premium seats under the previous regime (the current JHL work was part of their planning is the understanding we are hearing here). I suspect the new regime will have plans for more premium seating, it won't be cheap but it will be significantly cheaper than corporate boxes and also easier to raise the prices on than ordinary season tickets.

I would expect that the new board will be targeting an overall 50%+ uplift in matchday revenues within the next 2 or 3 seasons (giving a total around £8.5m - £9m) - the addition equates to about one players wages, but helps. I would suggest they are targeting an even greater uplift in commercial revenues in the same period, though the visible indications from this season suggest that they have actually fallen this season.

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Post by gawthorpe_view » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:08 pm

£8.5 - £9 million will be needed to pay the interest on the club's newly acquired debts, so pretty neutral in terms of the playing staff.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:29 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:08 pm
£8.5 - £9 million will be needed to pay the interest on the club's newly acquired debts, so pretty neutral in terms of the playing staff.
the uplift is what I was referring to as being roughly equal to a players wages not the total sum

you are correct to say there is debt to service but the amount to service the debt remains unknown to us, because we do not know:
- the total value of the debt,
- the interest rate on the debt,
- if any associated fees were added to the debt or paid up front,
- if the debt is interest bearing only or involves paying the principal down as well though we suspect the former
- it also appears portions of the debt are for different lengths of time (5 years and 10 years) and probably different rates of interest there is no public knowledge of the value proportions in each of these deals
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Post by claretandy » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:29 pm
We don't come close to selling out for the majority of games with capacity as it is.
If they are kicking long term season ticket holders out of premium seats then we need more premium seats. I know people who lost their seats in the JML to this, and haven't been on since because of how they were treated.

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Post by Grumps » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:54 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pm
If they are kicking long term season ticket holders out of premium seats then we need more premium seats. I know people who lost their seats in the JML to this, and haven't been on since because of how they were treated.
There never seem to be many in that area in JML, you have to ask, was it worth it?

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:57 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pm
If they are kicking long term season ticket holders out of premium seats then we need more premium seats. I know people who lost their seats in the JML to this, and haven't been on since because of how they were treated.
I think there will be varying perceptions as to what constitutes a premium seat. what comes associated with it and the price it should and can be retailed at. The pricing structure on the Turf has been quite basic up to now, it is likely to become much more fragmented in the coming seasons. Many season tickets that are currently in prime viewing areas are likely to be targeted for higher value offerings going forward, which will no doubt upset those that have occupied them over many years and particularly through much less prosperous times for the club

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Post by claretandy » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:57 pm
I think there will be varying perceptions as to what constitutes a premium seat. what comes associated with it and the price it should and can be retailed at. The pricing structure on the Turf has been quite basic up to now, it is likely to become much more fragmented in the coming seasons. Many season tickets that are currently in prime viewing areas are likely to be targeted for higher value offerings going forward, which will no doubt upset those that have occupied them over many years and particularly through much less prosperous times for the club
Prime seats is a better description, if you have been used to sitting on the half way line and they kick you out, are you going to accept a wing seat ?

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Post by Grumps » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:14 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:11 pm
Prime seats is a better description, if you have been used to sitting on the half way line and they kick you out, are you going to accept a wing seat ?
Seems like it's not a bad thing sat behind the posts in the Bob Lord stand... Nobody will ever call our seats prime or premium :lol:

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Post by Loyalclaret » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:19 pm

Definitely right, good friend and his dad been contacted yesterday. Already renewed and told "don't worry after the next phase we will find you good seats".

Some friends, people who had not missed a game in 30+ years, had the same in JML and jacked. Never had season ticket since

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:22 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:11 pm
Prime seats is a better description, if you have been used to sitting on the half way line and they kick you out, are you going to accept a wing seat ?
The choice may be what price are you prepared to pay to keep your seat, and if you are not prepared to accept alternatives whether you are prepared to keep going to matches.

I suspect there will have been a lot of careful legal interrogation of the season ticket terms and conditions, it may be that the clubs ambitions are thwarted by them, that has created problems for other clubs in the past and led to them having to effectively pay someone to move seats, those who do not want to move probably need to consult the T's & C's first.

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Post by Rombald » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:01 pm

So, the guaranteed seat, if you keep your money with the club for over 12 months, isn't quite all its made out to be it seems. Never in any other industry would you be able to buy something and then be told, ,sorry we've known about this for ages, but hey here's another seat that will more than likely not be as good as your original.

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Post by Grumps » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:42 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:01 pm
So, the guaranteed seat, if you keep your money with the club for over 12 months, isn't quite all its made out to be it seems. Never in any other industry would you be able to buy something and then be told, ,sorry we've known about this for ages, but hey here's another seat that will more than likely not be as good as your original.
I've had it done by airlines... And once at a concert, but agree I'd be peeved if they moved me, though that's unlikely

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:46 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:22 pm

I suspect there will have been a lot of careful legal interrogation of the season ticket terms and conditions, it may be that the clubs ambitions are thwarted by them, that has created problems for other clubs in the past and led to them having to effectively pay someone to move seats, those who do not want to move probably need to consult the T's & C's first.
I should add that I would also be checking if the T's and C's are changing with this seasons tickets

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Post by dougcollins » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:21 pm

In this scenario nobody cares about the affected fans' views, they'll simply be moved at a whim. It's not like any of the unaffected fans are going to stick up for them.

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Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:26 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:21 pm
In this scenario nobody cares about the affected fans' views, they'll simply be moved at a whim. It's not like any of the unaffected fans are going to stick up for them.
I would expect supporters groups would be asking questions about what is going on, the processes being employed and the legitimacy of the action under T's and C's. How the club reacts to that is less certain

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by Whitgord » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 pm

Why not move to the Bob Lord. There could be some nice seats coming free in there. Great view (apart from pillars), more width and legroom. No problem with sun in your eyes or rain on your head. What’s not to like? ps you can’t have my Bob Lord seat, it’s a good un.

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Re: James Hargreaves lower/hospitality

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:29 pm

Can’t say this comes a shock the hospitality at the turf must be light years behind other clubs in the top flight. I remember being on a box once in December and after the game at 5pm they were hoovering round your feet trying to get the room ready for the Xmas do that night!
Hopefully those who are having to move seats will be able to come to a compromise with the club.

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