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Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:08 pm
by jojomk1
After that great performance Premier League football all but guaranteed for next season

We all seem to recognise a good amount of investment is required this summer

Quality CB needed to replace Tarks (plus another if Dunne goes) and a total midfield that lacks any real depth are the minimum areas to improve on

But where is the money going to come from

The new owners bought the club by taking it into debt, so they are not going to suddenly find some cash in their back pockets for SD

Would we be happy to see more debt added onto the clubs bank account

Can they maybe find new investors by raising capital against a new issue of shares

A new shirt sponsorship deal is almost certain but given the kudos of our club (most people outside of the UK don't even know where Burnley is :) ) can we seriously expect a significant revenue increase in any such package deal

Can we sell naming rights for the ground

Any plans can now be worked on with more confidence as league status is retained so just hope Mr Pace and his team earn their sizeable wages to give SD the financial backing he needs

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:34 pm
by BenWickes
You'll certainly be very familiar with the new sponsors.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:35 pm
by JohnDearyMe
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:34 pm
You'll certainly be very familiar with the new sponsors.
Endsleigh?!

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:38 pm
by BenWickes
JohnDearyMe wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:35 pm
Endsleigh?!
:lol:

I remember my accountant asking me who Endsleigh were when they first sponsored us. Which was worrying at the time. You know, finance etc.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:39 pm
by jedi_master
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:34 pm
You'll certainly be very familiar with the new sponsors.
Big name?

Or yet another Asian betting firm?!

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:42 pm
by BenWickes
jedi_master wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:39 pm
Big name?

Or yet another Asian betting firm?!
I think you can safely be assured we won't be using a betting firm.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:57 pm
by BenWickes
I'll try to address each one.

We all seem to recognise a good amount of investment is required this summer.

There will be.

Quality CB needed to replace Tarks (plus another if Dunne goes) and a total midfield that lacks any real depth are the minimum areas to improve on

But where is the money going to come from.

I think you'll find the Tarks situation will clear itself up and finances are available to improve.


The new owners bought the club by taking it into debt, so they are not going to suddenly find some cash in their back pockets for SD.

I am told there will be significantly more made available per position and player as and when needed.

Would we be happy to see more debt added onto the clubs bank account.

That is a personal issue for individual fans.

Can they maybe find new investors by raising capital against a new issue of shares.

Expect further developments

A new shirt sponsorship deal is almost certain but given the kudos of our club (most people outside of the UK don't even know where Burnley is :) ) can we seriously expect a significant revenue increase in any such package deal.

Expect a deal with a name you know that does not involve gambling

Can we sell naming rights for the ground.

We won't be doing

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:00 pm
by Chester Perry
interesting stuff Ben

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:01 pm
by bodge
Thanks for the info Ben, sounds positive !

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:05 pm
by Savo776
Thanks Ben, is there serious stadium improvements being considered?

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:17 pm
by Jakubs Tash
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:34 pm
You'll certainly be very familiar with the new sponsors.
Because they’re locally or globally recognised?

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:23 pm
by NewClaret
This is like the transfer deadline day when BW got me all excited.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:15 pm
by ian
Anyone mentioned about keeping the manager in place yet??

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:28 pm
by huw.Y.WattfromWare
At what stage have we reached regarding banning sponsorship by gambling companies? I thought this was quite close to being finalised but reading above it looks like I’m wrong.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:34 pm
by Conroy92
If there's no money then we'll have to sell to buy and unfortunately Tarks has made it clear he wants to go and with his contract situation, I don't think he alone will generate enough funds to rebuild the side.

Out-
Pope 40m
Tarks 20m

10m to service loans
50m to spend

In-
Heaton- free
Quaison-free
New starting CB- 15m
Starting right midfielder- 15m
Young CB with potential - 10m
One of young right back/left midfielder/centre mid- 10m

I'd say whoever comes in is likely weaker than Tarks, Heaton can help bring Peacock-Farrell through but obviously weaker between the sticks but hopefully we'd be stronger in two or three other positions with greater depth in the squad.
Don't see how we can do it without weakening some part of the side.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:42 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Conroy92 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:34 pm
If there's no money then we'll have to sell to buy and unfortunately Tarks has made it clear he wants to go and with his contract situation, I don't think he alone will generate enough funds to rebuild the side.

Out-
Pope 40m
Tarks 20m

10m to service loans
50m to spend

In-
Heaton- free
Quaison-free
New starting CB- 15m
Starting right midfielder- 15m
Young CB with potential - 10m
One of young right back/left midfielder/centre mid- 10m

I'd say whoever comes in is likely weaker than Tarks, Heaton can help bring Peacock-Farrell through but obviously weaker between the sticks but hopefully we'd be stronger in two or three other positions with greater depth in the squad.
Don't see how we can do it without weakening some part of the side.
Conroy no club in world football would pay that for Pope.

20m is more realistic

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:43 pm
by Vegas Claret
Elon Musk Boring company will be the new sponsor and we are breaking away to form an intergalactic league, you heard it here first !

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:45 pm
by turbo5
I would guess Boo Hoo as the club sponsors

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:01 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:42 pm
Conroy no club in world football would pay that for Pope.

20m is more realistic
For England’s current number one? Sheffield United paid 18.5 for Ramsdale last summer.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:03 pm
by Stockbrokerbelt
ASDA.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:05 pm
by Stevie Morgan
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:57 pm
I'll try to address each one.

We all seem to recognise a good amount of investment is required this summer.

There will be.

Quality CB needed to replace Tarks (plus another if Dunne goes) and a total midfield that lacks any real depth are the minimum areas to improve on

But where is the money going to come from.

I think you'll find the Tarks situation will clear itself up and finances are available to improve.


The new owners bought the club by taking it into debt, so they are not going to suddenly find some cash in their back pockets for SD.

I am told there will be significantly more made available per position and player as and when needed.

Would we be happy to see more debt added onto the clubs bank account.

That is a personal issue for individual fans.

Can they maybe find new investors by raising capital against a new issue of shares.

Expect further developments

A new shirt sponsorship deal is almost certain but given the kudos of our club (most people outside of the UK don't even know where Burnley is :) ) can we seriously expect a significant revenue increase in any such package deal.

Expect a deal with a name you know that does not involve gambling

Can we sell naming rights for the ground.

We won't be doing
Dare I say it - exciting times :o

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:08 pm
by NewClaret
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:01 pm
For England’s current number one? Sheffield United paid 18.5 for Ramsdale last summer.
Worth £60m given the going rate for Kepa and Allison, in my opinion.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:01 pm
For England’s current number one? Sheffield United paid 18.5 for Ramsdale last summer.
Ok il put it another way.

Name a club that would be prepared to pay 40m for Pope. Every top team plays out from back. It’s been proven Pope can’t play that way.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm
by NewClaret
Stevie Morgan wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:05 pm
Dare I say it - exciting times :o
:lol: :lol:

Could be if all that came true. I remain hopeful that Pace and co are working as hard in the boardroom as the players are on the pitch, and there will be some good results.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:12 pm
by Juan Tanamera
The Hut?

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:13 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:57 pm
I'll try to address each one.

We all seem to recognise a good amount of investment is required this summer.

There will be.

Quality CB needed to replace Tarks (plus another if Dunne goes) and a total midfield that lacks any real depth are the minimum areas to improve on

But where is the money going to come from.

I think you'll find the Tarks situation will clear itself up and finances are available to improve.


The new owners bought the club by taking it into debt, so they are not going to suddenly find some cash in their back pockets for SD.

I am told there will be significantly more made available per position and player as and when needed.

Would we be happy to see more debt added onto the clubs bank account.

That is a personal issue for individual fans.

Can they maybe find new investors by raising capital against a new issue of shares.

Expect further developments

A new shirt sponsorship deal is almost certain but given the kudos of our club (most people outside of the UK don't even know where Burnley is :) ) can we seriously expect a significant revenue increase in any such package deal.

Expect a deal with a name you know that does not involve gambling

Can we sell naming rights for the ground.

We won't be doing
Do you have any more info on the above?

I have been asking for weeks similar questions and no one has been able to provide any info on where the finances are going to come from.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:15 pm
by Jakubs Tash
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:42 pm
Conroy no club in world football would pay that for Pope.

20m is more realistic
Another positive comment from you.....

You seemingly love to stick the boot in towards the Club quite often and about any subject whatsoever. I bet you were a bit lost with what to say yesterday.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:17 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Jakubs Tash wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:15 pm
Another positive comment from you.....

You seemingly love to stick the boot in towards the Club quite often and about any subject whatsoever. I bet you were a bit lost with what to say yesterday.
No yesterday was genuinely one of the best games I have seen under Dyche. Complete and utter domination

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:22 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm
Ok il put it another way.

Name a club that would be prepared to pay 40m for Pope. Every top team plays out from back. It’s been proven Pope can’t play that way.
How do you know what clubs are prepared to pay for him? Best English keeper in the league as the stats show so his price as such will be a lot more than 20 million!

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:25 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:22 pm
How do you know what clubs are prepared to pay for him? Best English keeper in the league as the stats show so his price as such will be a lot more than 20 million!
Ok I just think there is only 6 clubs in this league that can afford a sum of 40m on goalkeeper.
Can’t see any of them being willing to spend that when he doesn’t suit there playing style.

He’s a great player but unfortunately for him he is probably not going to leave to a bigger than Burnley.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:30 pm
by Chester Perry
Juan Tanamera wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:12 pm
The Hut?
you would hope so

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:57 pm
by jojomk1
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:57 pm
I'll try to address each one.

We all seem to recognise a good amount of investment is required this summer.

There will be.

Quality CB needed to replace Tarks (plus another if Dunne goes) and a total midfield that lacks any real depth are the minimum areas to improve on

But where is the money going to come from.

I think you'll find the Tarks situation will clear itself up and finances are available to improve.


The new owners bought the club by taking it into debt, so they are not going to suddenly find some cash in their back pockets for SD.

I am told there will be significantly more made available per position and player as and when needed.

Would we be happy to see more debt added onto the clubs bank account.

That is a personal issue for individual fans.

Can they maybe find new investors by raising capital against a new issue of shares.

Expect further developments

A new shirt sponsorship deal is almost certain but given the kudos of our club (most people outside of the UK don't even know where Burnley is :) ) can we seriously expect a significant revenue increase in any such package deal.

Expect a deal with a name you know that does not involve gambling

Can we sell naming rights for the ground.

We won't be doing
Very positive

"Think you will find the Tarks situation will clear itself up"

So, do we presume JT will be signing a new deal or going - that's a bit of an open ended statement

"It's a personal issue for fans re club debt"

So presume the club will be borrowing more money as part of summer transfer funding - more interest payments, but hopefully nearer to B of E rate of around 1% rather than 10% we are currently signed up for ;)

"Raising capital against a new issue of shares" seems to be a further development

Wonder who these new investors may be - people who understand football is also for the fans hopefully

We know there will be a new shirt sponsor but will this bring in significant additional revenues to help fund transfer dealings and offset interest payments on increased debt

As previously said

Exciting times

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:20 pm
by Fretters
My guess on the sponsor - Barnfield.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:23 pm
by BurnleyFC
Fretters wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:20 pm
My guess on the sponsor - Barnfield.
I’d be amazed if Barnfield could afford the sponsorship rights on our shirts.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:27 pm
by CombatClaret
BenWickes wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:34 pm
You'll certainly be very familiar with the new sponsors.

ALK Capital? They paid for it after all.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:43 pm
by Stevie Morgan
AIscout?

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:51 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
The hut would not surprise me. But as huge as they are they aren’t actually a household name. I’m expecting something more household.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:01 pm
by Chester Perry
cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:51 pm
The hut would not surprise me. But as huge as they are they aren’t actually a household name. I’m expecting something more household.
some of their brands are

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:04 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:01 pm
some of their brands are
That’s very true.
Wouldn’t surprise me. Perhaps my protein or similar.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:39 am
by Taffy on the wing
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm
Ok il put it another way.

Name a club that would be prepared to pay 40m for Pope. Every top team plays out from back. It’s been proven Pope can’t play that way.
Playing out from the back will be gone soon i hope.......so boring.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:00 am
by jojomk1
cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:51 pm
The hut would not surprise me. But as huge as they are they aren’t actually a household name. I’m expecting something more household.
A hut is almost a household (four walls and a roof ;) )

Just imagine if we were to sell the name of the ground, we could be playing matches at The Hut rather than The Turf :)

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:58 am
by Fretters
BurnleyFC wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:23 pm
I’d be amazed if Barnfield could afford the sponsorship rights on our shirts.
You could be right but they're a huge company these days. Someone above suggested Boohoo and I'd suggest Barnfield are in their league in terms of turnover. They've got developments going on all over the place.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:20 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:25 pm
Ok I just think there is only 6 clubs in this league that can afford a sum of 40m on goalkeeper.
Can’t see any of them being willing to spend that when he doesn’t suit there playing style.

He’s a great player but unfortunately for him he is probably not going to leave to a bigger than Burnley.
Pickford went to Everton for £30 million and he's an accident waiting to happen, so are you saying he was signed just because he's apparently a better passer?

Pope plays in a way to suit us, if he went to a different club he'd adapt his game.
He can pass a ball, he can kick a ball.
He's also a great shot stopper.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:23 am
by NewClaret
Fretters wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:58 am
You could be right but they're a huge company these days. Someone above suggested Boohoo and I'd suggest Barnfield are in their league in terms of turnover. They've got developments going on all over the place.
Boohoo posted £856m revenue in 2019, Barnfield £89m in 2020. The hut group £1.14bn.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:34 am
by northeastclaret
A Hut or a Barn (in a ) field , the main choices then ? 🤔

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:26 am
by Andreshotboots
Anne Summers?

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:45 am
by yosserhughes
Premier Gas?

Would prefer Anne Summers just because there's a few dildos on this site.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:58 am
by Fretters
NewClaret wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:23 am
Boohoo posted £856m revenue in 2019, Barnfield £89m in 2020. The hut group £1.14bn.
I stand corrected in these orthapaedic shoes.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:09 am
by Newcastleclaret93
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:20 am
Pickford went to Everton for £30 million and he's an accident waiting to happen, so are you saying he was signed just because he's apparently a better passer?

Pope plays in a way to suit us, if he went to a different club he'd adapt his game.
He can pass a ball, he can kick a ball.
He's also a great shot stopper.
I get what your saying but as an all round keeper Pickford is slightly better. Pope is a great shot stopper and commands his area but as his England performances proved, he couldn’t adapt to playing out from the back.

Just as a side point, I think Pickford has a bad reputation. Pickford and Pope have had the same amount of errors leading to the goals this season (2).

Don’t get me wrong we could get more than 20m for him. I just can’t see any club shelling out 40m.

Re: Financial planning for this summers transfers

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:15 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:09 am
I get what your saying but as an all round keeper Pickford is slightly better. Pope is a great shot stopper and commands his area but as his England performances proved, he couldn’t adapt to playing out from the back.

Just as a side point, I think Pickford has a bad reputation. Pickford and Pope have had the same amount of errors leading to the goals this season (2).

Don’t get me wrong we could get more than 20m for him. I just can’t see any club shelling out 40m.
He proved he can pass it out from the back when with England, the problem was the idiot Stones fluffed it up.

Hardly instills confidence in the keeper when his defender just gives the ball away.