Final day drama in the Championship.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:07 pm

Derby 43pts GD -22
Rotherham 41pts GD -16
Sheffield Wednesday 40 -21
Wycombe 40 -33

Has it ever been so close at the bottom of the Championship going into the final day? They're all well short of Stan's 50 points survival target.
Derby play Sheffield Wednesday which makes it even more interesting.

If Rotherham fail to win away at Cardiff then Derby need a draw to stay up.
If Rotherham win then Derby would need a win to stay up, a draw and they and the Owls would both go down.
Wycombe are good as down because their goal difference is so poor that they'd need Rotherham to Lose and Wednesday to beat Derby by 12 goals fewer than their score against Boro.

This is what football is all about. Far more entertainment to be had than watching European Super clubs in a meaningless competition.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pm

Great is the championship. I sometimes think I would get more enjoyment if Burnley were back in it with the way football is going at the minute.

I love the unpredictability of that league and 3 o clock Saturday kick offs every week.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:17 pm

So we are cheering for anyone but Derby?

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:21 pm

It’s a cracking finish

Not sure about - If Rotherham win then Sheffield Wednesday would need a win to stay up - they’d still be a point behind?

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:24 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:21 pm
It’s a cracking finish

Not sure about - If Rotherham win then Sheffield Wednesday would need a win to stay up - they’d still be a point behind?

Oops my mistake. I meant Derby. I'll correct it.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:25 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pm
Great is the championship. I sometimes think I would get more enjoyment if Burnley were back in it with the way football is going at the minute.

I love the unpredictability of that league and 3 o clock Saturday kick offs every week.

Except when our financial wheels fall off. Then the decline.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:31 pm

Surely hope for a Rotherham win and a draw in Derby v Sheff Wed? Send both clubs down and rightful punishment for breaking FFP rules over the past few seasons.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:31 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pm
Great is the championship. I sometimes think I would get more enjoyment if Burnley were back in it with the way football is going at the minute.

I love the unpredictability of that league and 3 o clock Saturday kick offs every week.

I wonder if Huddersfield fans are getting more enjoyment than they did a few seasons ago.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:45 pm

I've watched all of Rotherham's 'games in hand' and after scoring three in the first of them v QPR haven't looked capable of scoring. Last night's game highlighted this perfectly. I hope they do stay up at the expense of Mel's, Frank Lampard's, Wayne Rooney's Derby and Sheffield Wed. but I can't see it myself though I bet supporters of Derby and Sheffield Wed. are more than concerned a little.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:31 pm
I wonder if Huddersfield fans are getting more enjoyment than they did a few seasons ago.

Wonder if Norwich and Watford have enjoyed their season more than us this year? Easy to give examples isnt it. I love us being in the top league but the novelty wears off IMO. Was just saying in some ways the championship can be more enjoyable but hey Huddersfield

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed May 05, 2021 3:41 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm
Wonder if Norwich and Watford have enjoyed their season more than us this year? Easy to give examples isnt it. I love us being in the top league but the novelty wears off IMO. Was just saying in some ways the championship can be more enjoyable but hey Huddersfield

So when saying the championship as a whole what you actually mean it would be more enjoyable providing we went back up to the level we are already at.

You wouldn't actually enjoy it if we finished bottom half or outside the play offs but could cope with finishing top 2. Hardly a glowing endorsement for you would prefer the championship

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed May 05, 2021 3:45 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm
Wonder if Norwich and Watford have enjoyed their season more than us this year? Easy to give examples isnt it. I love us being in the top league but the novelty wears off IMO. Was just saying in some ways the championship can be more enjoyable but hey Huddersfield

Well yes, getting promoted is great fun, but what guarantee is there that we would be promoted? And what where is the enjoyment of gaining promotion if you enjoy the Championship more?

We’ve had great times in the lower divisions, and the PL can certainly be a drag at times. But be careful what you wish for because if and when we eventually go down there is a fair chance we will disappear into mid table obscurity or worse. I’d rather be towards the bottom of the PL than the Championship, hence the reference to Huddersfield.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Wed May 05, 2021 3:52 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 3:41 pm
So when saying the championship as a whole what you actually mean it would be more enjoyable providing we went back up to the level we are already at.

You wouldn't actually enjoy it if we finished bottom half or outside the play offs but could cope with finishing top 2. Hardly a glowing endorsement for you would prefer the championship

Was just giving another example to Rileys that's all. I said i like how competitive it is and that they are Saturday afternoon kick offs. Twist my words all you want.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Wed May 05, 2021 3:55 pm

Not bothered how it pans out..........as long as Derby go down!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed May 05, 2021 4:16 pm

C'mon Rotherham!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed May 05, 2021 4:37 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 4:16 pm
C'mon Rotherham!

Or Wednesday ... Rooney in div 3 (league 1) would be great

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Wed May 05, 2021 4:52 pm

I was wondering yesterday, has it ever happened before that no team is mathematically relegated prior to the final round of fixtures?

I’m sure somebody here will be able to answer that!

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Wed May 05, 2021 4:53 pm

Delusional set of fans Derby. The club has been overspending for years, it would be hilarious if they went down.

Claretmisterg · Post by **Claretmisterg** » Wed May 05, 2021 4:58 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pm
Great is the championship. I sometimes think I would get more enjoyment if Burnley were back in it with the way football is going at the minute.

I love the unpredictability of that league and 3 o clock Saturday kick offs every week.

When we got relegated from old Division 1 in 1976 I thought that’s great we will win Division 2 like we did last time. Well we know what happened next. I never want Burnley to get relegated.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed May 05, 2021 5:00 pm

Quite the achievement by Wednesday if they manage to get down to League One again for a club that size. It's not like they've even lived the dream and are now paying the price. A shame really, I'd rather Derby drop.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed May 05, 2021 5:03 pm

The only time the championship or any league outside the Premier league gets exciting is when the season hits March and clubs are fighting promotion and relegation.

No fun in watching Rotherham on a cold Tuesday night down the Turf in front of 10,000 fans

I will be hoping Derby get relegated, so come on Wednesday and Rotherham

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:02 pm

Chance for McCarthy and Cardiff to not bother against Rotherham? They'd surely prefer Rotherham to stay up for next season and see Derby and Sheff Wed down.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:12 pm

NottsClaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 5:00 pm
Quite the achievement by Wednesday if they manage to get down to League One again for a club that size. It's not like they've even lived the dream and are now paying the price. A shame really, I'd rather Derby drop.

They did live the dream in the mid to late 90s and never recovered from it since.

huw.Y.WattfromWare · Post by **huw.Y.WattfromWare** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:24 pm

Wednesday must have thought they’d come up on the lottery when their 12point deduction was reduced to 6. They were playing well at the time. Now the 6 point reduction could see them down. Well no sympathy from me. Come on the Millers.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:33 pm

NottsClaret wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 5:00 pm
Quite the achievement by Wednesday if they manage to get down to League One again for a club that size. It's not like they've even lived the dream and are now paying the price. A shame really, I'd rather Derby drop.

Very little sympathy for them... when they were in the rich league they wanted the drawbridge lifted... just like Oldham I’m delighted they are trawling in the filth of their own making.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed May 05, 2021 8:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:17 pm
So we are cheering for anyone but Derby?

Yes I suppose, just for the crack of seeing how Shrek fares managing at League 1 level, though I suspect if they were to take the fall he'd be one of the first out of the door.

It is staggering how quickly Derby have declined since Lampard's stint there, but now they are finally having to live within their means it shows how much the Candy Crush man was bankrolling their heavy spending.

The ultimate satisfaction would be to see Rotherham stage a great last day escape and banish both Derby and Wednesday to the lower leagues, but sadly I can't see it happening.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Wed May 05, 2021 11:29 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 3:26 pm
Wonder if Norwich and Watford have enjoyed their season more than us this year? Easy to give examples isnt it. I love us being in the top league but the novelty wears off IMO. Was just saying in some ways the championship can be more enjoyable but hey Huddersfield

I know a few Watford fans and, despite their excellent second half of the season and promotion, they did not enjoy the season at all. They seemed to spend it in a state of massive hyper-tension as in their view there would have been colossal financial problems for the club and they not bounced straight back. Need to be very careful what you wish for anyone who fancies the Championship. We should enjoy being in the Premier League and days like the wins at Liverpool, Everton and Wolves are fantastic.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu May 06, 2021 3:21 am

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:10 pm
Great is the championship. I sometimes think I would get more enjoyment if Burnley were back in it with the way football is going at the minute.

I love the unpredictability of that league and 3 o clock Saturday kick offs every week.

You can always mosey down the road to Ewood.......they'd welcome you with open chicken wings!

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Thu May 06, 2021 3:55 am

You've got to feel for Rotheram - nine matches in twenty five days - it's too much to ask.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Thu May 06, 2021 9:31 am

Bullabill wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 3:55 am
You've got to feel for Rotheram - nine matches in twenty five days - it's too much to ask.

True but very frustrating watching them lose game after game to (probably) keep Derby up. Wonder if they could have prioritised a couple of games and held players back for them. Easy with hindsight of course.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:15 am

I live 25 miles up the road from Ipswich. The Tractor Boys spent 15 years or so treading water in the Championship punctuated by a couple of play off failures. Then they got relegated and are looking at their third season in the third tier and will finish circa 3/4 points above Stanley with their last home match against Fleetwood.

Understandably they are some of the most p1ssed off supporters you could ever hope to meet, and there are a lot fewer of them now than a couple of decades ago.

Bear in mind that the Ipswich ground is bigger and the fan base much higher too. It’s not guaranteed that this would happen to Burnley but it could do. One thing for certain is that while we remain in the EPL it cannot.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 am

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 10:15 am
I live 25 miles up the road from Ipswich. The Tractor Boys spent 15 years or so treading water in the Championship punctuated by a couple of play off failures. Then they got relegated and are looking at their third season in the third tier and will finish circa 3/4 points above Stanley with their last home match against Fleetwood.

Understandably they are some of the most p1ssed off supporters you could ever hope to meet, and there are a lot fewer of them now than a couple of decades ago.

Bear in mind that the Ipswich ground is bigger and the fan base much higher too. It’s not guaranteed that this would happen to Burnley but it could do. One thing for certain is that while we remain in the EPL it cannot.

On the plus side they get to play at 3pm most weekends

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:23 am

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 9:31 am
True but very frustrating watching them lose game after game to (probably) keep Derby up. Wonder if they could have prioritised a couple of games and held players back for them. Easy with hindsight of course.

I've mentioned already that they perhaps could have 'prioritised' in games played and settled for what they had(a point) instead of chasing games and letting in crucial goals. As you suggest, though, we're all wiser after the event.

SouthLondonexile · Post by **SouthLondonexile** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:29 am

Never would I wish for relegation from the Premiership and a drift towards mediocrity .
I do share the wonderful feeling of being promoted to the top division, but the quality of premiership football is just awesome and rewarding and I can still have a crack with Bill and friends in the Coach and Horses!

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:34 am

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 10:15 am
I live 25 miles up the road from Ipswich. The Tractor Boys spent 15 years or so treading water in the Championship punctuated by a couple of play off failures. Then they got relegated and are looking at their third season in the third tier and will finish circa 3/4 points above Stanley with their last home match against Fleetwood.

Understandably they are some of the most p1ssed off supporters you could ever hope to meet, and there are a lot fewer of them now than a couple of decades ago.

Bear in mind that the Ipswich ground is bigger and the fan base much higher too. It’s not guaranteed that this would happen to Burnley but it could do. One thing for certain is that while we remain in the EPL it cannot.

It did happen to Burnley, it might not have been called the Premier then but 1976-1986 saw Burnley go from Division 1 to Division 4.

Dinks · Post by **Dinks** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:48 am

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 2:45 pm
I've watched all of Rotherham's 'games in hand' and after scoring three in the first of them v QPR haven't looked capable of scoring. Last night's game highlighted this perfectly. I hope they do stay up at the expense of Mel's, Frank Lampard's, Wayne Rooney's Derby and Sheffield Wed. but I can't see it myself though I bet supporters of Derby and Sheffield Wed. are more than concerned a little.

Rooney is really out of his depth at the management side of the game he should stick to what he does best,banging grannies.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:57 am

Claretmisterg wrote: ↑
Wed May 05, 2021 4:58 pm
When we got relegated from old Division 1 in 1976 I thought that’s great we will win Division 2 like we did last time. Well we know what happened next. I never want Burnley to get relegated.

I remember as a young teenager stood on the Longside and there was a big relegation party with cans etc and a chant of you can tell the first division we'll be back.
Well I suppose we did eventually.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Thu May 06, 2021 1:54 pm

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 10:15 am
I live 25 miles up the road from Ipswich. The Tractor Boys spent 15 years or so treading water in the Championship punctuated by a couple of play off failures. Then they got relegated and are looking at their third season in the third tier and will finish circa 3/4 points above Stanley with their last home match against Fleetwood.

Understandably they are some of the most p1ssed off supporters you could ever hope to meet, and there are a lot fewer of them now than a couple of decades ago.

Bear in mind that the Ipswich ground is bigger and the fan base much higher too. It’s not guaranteed that this would happen to Burnley but it could do. One thing for certain is that while we remain in the EPL it cannot.

Doesn't seem that long ago that the company i worked for, with a Head Office in Ipswich, had a box at Portman Road. They couldn't fill it when they were in the Premier League, as operations and clients were spread across the country, with none at all in Suffolk. Every home game there was a company wide email went around asking people to apply for tickets as there were spares. I went a few times, v Arsenal and West Ham to name 2. When they were relegated to the Championship it was no problem to get them and twice i went along to Burnley games with a few others, including the former editor of a Clarets website

. Unfortunately it was the 6-1 reverse, where we conceded 5 in about 20 first half minutes. When the first went in i said i think this could be the floodgates opening, not for one minute thinking that they would score more or less everytime they had an attack. We left at 5-1 and i think i did the 90 or so miles back to drop one of the guys off in Welwyn in about an hour and 20 minutes, much of the A12 and M25 covered at speeds in 3 figures.

Must really hurt them seeing their local rivals back in the Premier League whilst they are in the third tier.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Thu May 06, 2021 2:12 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 am
On the plus side they get to play at 3pm most weekends

haha bants

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 06, 2021 2:26 pm

Dinks wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 11:48 am
Rooney is really out of his depth at the management side of the game he should stick to what he does best,banging grannies.

First job and the club was in a mess before he took over.

Takes something to step into that sort of situation and at least he's giving it a go and will probably learn a lot from it.

claretcarrot93 · Post by **claretcarrot93** » Thu May 06, 2021 3:14 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 2:26 pm
First job and the club was in a mess before he took over.

Takes something to step into that sort of situation and at least he's giving it a go and will probably learn a lot from it.

One of England's greatest ever players as well. Will never really get the hate he gets

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 06, 2021 3:28 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 06, 2021 3:14 pm
One of England's greatest ever players as well. Will never really get the hate he gets

I've no time for him in regards to England, repeatedly failed to turn up when needed, swore at the camera/fans.

However wasn't he selected a few times when he was injured, in the hope he'd be fit for later rounds?
Managers should take the blame for that, but he wasn't the only player they did that for.