Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[boatshed bill]

My only issue would be the lack of resale value. Of course though, not every signing can be in that category.

This, and it does nothing to help reduce the age of the squad.

What length of contract might he be looking for?

[Taffy on the wing]

He would be a proper marquee signing for us

Lightweight.........pass!

[taio]

This, and it does nothing to help reduce the age of the squad.

What length of contract might he be looking for?

You'd think a minimum of three years and possibly four.

[Steddyman]

Albrighton would be an excellent signing and really suit our squad.

What is it with an obsession with signing really young players with potential of some posters? I'm for that too, but we need players who will go straight into the first team and improve it.

[boatshed bill]

Albrighton would be an excellent signing and really suit our squad.

What is it with an obsession with signing really young players with potential of some posters? I'm for that too, but we need players who will go straight into the first team and improve it.

I think we all would like to see players come in and improve the squad, but we have an aging midfield which,in my opinion, needs greater energy and athleticism,
Albrighton will not do that, and will be 35 or older at the end of a 3 year deal, so there is a risk that we may not get full value for our money.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Albrighton would be an excellent signing and really suit our squad.

What is it with an obsession with signing really young players with potential of some posters? I'm for that too, but we need players who will go straight into the first team and improve it.

Decent player albrighton, I would take him but I honestly don’t see him improving the starting eleven purely down to the fact he won’t get the space to do anything.

He can get in good positions to cross the ball at Leicester because of how quickly they pass the ball.

I would take albrighton but wouldn’t want him to come in as first choice. Think we need a decent young winger with a bit of pace.

[jojomk1]

I think the purpose of the thread is to highlight players being linked with Burnley. Not aware that James has at this time.

Would have thought the thread would be just as interesting, maybe more, if it did include players linked/moving to other clubs

Then we could use all links/deals as a measure of the level of ambition of our manager, recruitment team and owners especially with comparisons to teams we see as our nearest rivals for survival next season

[Hedontplayforyou]

Nixon reckons we will definitely get a wide right player, and a wide left player, wether this means one player you can play both or two I don’t know, of course it could be a load of old tripe too.

[boatshed bill]

It doesn't say "Burnley links only" in the thread title.

[taio]

Would have thought the thread would be just as interesting, maybe more, if it did include players linked/moving to other clubs

Then we could use all links/deals as a measure of the level of ambition of our manager, recruitment team and owners especially with comparisons to teams we see as our nearest rivals for survival next season

I was making the point that James hasn't been linked with Burnley.

[Boss Hogg]

I’ve long thought Albrighton would be a good fit for us.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Decent player albrighton, I would take him but I honestly don’t see him improving the starting eleven purely down to the fact he won’t get the space to do anything.

He can get in good positions to cross the ball at Leicester because of how quickly they pass the ball.

I would take albrighton but wouldn’t want him to come in as first choice. Think we need a decent young winger with a bit of pace.

How would he not improve the starting 11? Streets ahead of JBG, Brownhill and Brady.

[taio]

It's easier to see how some posters are often negative and unrealistic when you consider that Albrighton, who had over 40 appearances last season for a much better team, wouldn't be good enough to get in our team.

[boatshed bill]

It's easier to see how some posters are often negative and unrealistic when you consider that Albrighton, who had over 40 appearances last season for a much better team, wouldn't be good enough to get in our team.

For me it's just the age thing,
Half our squad will be over 30 next season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How would he not improve the starting 11? Streets ahead of JBG, Brownhill and Brady.

Difficult to explain,

I could see Young improving us but if I’m honest I just don’t see how we get albrighton in space to do what he is good at.
We just don’t move the ball with the tempo to get our wide players in space.

For the record I think Albrighton is better than the players you have listed

[taio]

For me it's just the age thing,
Half our squad will be over 30 next season.

Fair enough - I can appreciate those who want to bring the age of the squad down. For me, I want balance - bring in youth e.g. Collins but have a core group of experienced and mature players which has been fundamental to Dyche's success. I'd be surprised if Albrighton becomes available to us, but he would be a typical Dyche signing.

[boatshed bill]

Fair enough - I can appreciate those who want to bring the age of the squad down. For me, I want balance - bring in youth e.g. Collins but have a core group of experienced and mature players which has been fundamental to Dyche's success. I'd be surprised if Albrighton becomes available to us, but he would be a typical Dyche signing.

Yes, he would indeed.
I am concerned that bringing in players over 30 will cost us eventually. but I see why SD does it.
I had a look at the squad (not including Albrighton) and it would be possible to put out a team with an average age just under 32,
obviously this is an extreme, but it is a concern

[Elizabeth]

I think we all would like to see players come in and improve the squad, but we have an aging midfield which,in my opinion, needs greater energy and athleticism,
Albrighton will not do that, and will be 35 or older at the end of a 3 year deal, so there is a risk that we may not get full value for our money.

Rodgers speaks very highly of him and the length of contract is very important to players of his age. It could swing the advantage our way if Leicester offer a new contract and our contract is longer in years.
I’d rather see us compete with other clubs in this way than worry about what condition he might be in 3 or 4 years down the line . He’s always looked a player who’s looked after himself

[minnieclaret]

Yes, he would indeed.
I am concerned that bringing in players over 30 will cost us eventually. but I see why SD does it.
I had a look at the squad (not including Albrighton) and it would be possible to put out a team with an average age just under 32,
obviously this is an extreme, but it is a concern

Don’t get hung up on age. 30 is the new 25. These guys look after themselves far better than players even 10 years ago. Also nobody has said it is a 3 year deal, it would more likely be two with an option.

[boatshed bill]

Don’t get hung up on age. 30 is the new 25. These guys look after themselves far better than players even 10 years ago. Also nobody has said it is a 3 year deal, it would more likely be two with an option.

2 to 3 years contract makes no difference to what I posted about the age of the squad.
Perhaps look at the recovery rates from injury of footballers over 30.
I do understand where SD is coming from, wanting seasoned pros to do a job; that job is essentially to survive in the PL, but apparently we were running on empty at the end of last season, and just about the whole squad is a year older.

[minnieclaret]

2 to 3 years contract makes no difference to what I posted about the age of the squad.
Perhaps look at the recovery rates from injury of footballers over 30.
I do understand where SD is coming from, wanting seasoned pros to do a job; that job is essentially to survive in the PL, but apparently we were running on empty at the end of last season, and just about the whole squad is a year older.

Last year was exceptionally difficult for every squad and our lack of depth almost saw us off. I don't think age was the problem. The condensed season, living in bubbles, etc., were the greater risk to us.

[CaymanClaret]

The potential of youth is expensive. And a gamble with funds we know are limited.

I love seeing young players get into the team but we need players in the starting 11, as well as providing back up next season. Again, I'm over the moon if we find someone in their early twenties that fit the bill, but if we can't, I'll take 31 year olds who SD thinks can do the job for us next year.

Some might call it shortsighted, I think it's the reality of our market.

[boatshed bill]

The potential of youth is expensive. And a gamble with funds we know are limited.

I love seeing young players get into the team but we need players in the starting 11, as well as providing back up next season. Again, I'm over the moon if we find someone in their early twenties that fit the bill, but if we can't, I'll take 31 year olds who SD thinks can do the job for us next year.

Some might call it shortsighted, I think it's the reality of our market.

I think you nail it with your last comment.

[Elizabeth]

Come on then, let’s get this Albrighton signing nailed .
The more confidence fans gain in the American owners the better

[ClaretTony]

I think we all would like to see players come in and improve the squad, but we have an aging midfield which,in my opinion, needs greater energy and athleticism,
Albrighton will not do that, and will be 35 or older at the end of a 3 year deal, so there is a risk that we may not get full value for our money.

No. If we signed him and it was a three year deal he would be 34 which is neither 35 or older. We know you are not in favour of this deal but better to stick with fact.

And I agree with the majority who have commented on here, I really hope we can pull this one off.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I see that Villa have been linked with McNeil again. If they are not successful with the third Smith Rowe bid, McNeil looks like the next target.

[boatshed bill]

Out of interest I've checked on incomings signed over the age of 30 at the time of signing in the last 4 years
Lindegard, Legzdins, Bardsley, Walters
Crouch, Hart
Rodriguez, Pieters
Stephens

Make of it what you will.

[ClaretTony]

I see that Villa have been linked with McNeil again. If they are not successful with the third Smith Rowe bid, McNeil looks like the next target.

It’s one that’s been around all window without any suggestion of them having done anything about it

[boatshed bill]

No. If we signed him and it was a three year deal he would be 34 which is neither 35 or older. We know you are not in favour of this deal but better to stick with fact.

And I agree with the majority who have commented on here, I really hope we can pull this one off.

He's 32 in November.

[ClaretAL]

I know its all about opinions, but if we do land him, then WOW. all those being negative need to look at the last 2 transfer windows and give their heads a wobble.

[taio]

Out of interest I've checked on incomings signed over the age of 30 at the time of signing in the last 4 years
Lindegard, Legzdins, Bardsley, Walters
Crouch, Hart
Rodriguez, Pieters
Stephens

Make of it what you will.

The vast majority of those weren't signed for the starting 11. Albrighton certainly would.

[ClaretTony]

He's 32 in November.

And if he signed a 3 year contract he’d be 34 at the end of it, not 35 and not older. It’s simple maths.

But it’s such a shame that you judge a potential signing based on when he was born.

[boatshed bill]

And if he signed a 3 year contract he’d be 34 at the end of it, not 35 and not older. It’s simple maths.

es, point taken on that.

I'm not against the player at all, I just don't believe we are getting value for money out of these older players in general.

[KRBFC]

es, point taken on that.

I'm not against the player at all, I just don't believe we are getting value for money out of these older players in general.

You're right but it's not down to simply age, it's the older players we have recruited. Albrighton would improve the first 11, no doubt. It's not even comparable to the shocking signings like Stephens, Rodriguez, Crouch etc. Also Pieters has been a great signing imo

[Elizabeth]

Rodriguez cannot reasonably be called a shocking signing

[boatshed bill]

The vast majority of those weren't signed for the starting 11. Albrighton certainly would.

They still cost the same though.

[Boss Hogg]

Rodriguez cannot reasonably be called a shocking signing

Not shocking but not great.

[taio]

They still cost the same though.

Not sure what that means in the context of the discussion about quality and that Albrighton if signed would certainly be on the basis of improving our starting eleven.

[Rileybobs]

es, point taken on that.

I'm not against the player at all, I just don't believe we are getting value for money out of these older players in general.

But players of the same proven quality and 10 years younger are out of our price bracket. Obviously we could sign unproven younger players, as we have done with Collins, but whilst they come with a chance of a big sell on fee they equally carry a risk that they won’t make the step up. As such we need a balanced squad comprising of younger and older players.

Furthermore, signing a player of Albrighton’s age gives a sense of security for the duration of that contract, as that player is far less likely to have his head turned.

[boatshed bill]

Not sure what that means in the context of the discussion about quality and that Albrighton if signed would certainly be on the basis of improving our starting eleven.

Well, we get value from some players, and some challenge for a first team slot.
When someone suggests that they are only signed to bulk out the squad it almost implies that they are some kind of cheap option, which they are not.

Going back to Albrighton, if we could shift a few of our older players then fine, but we tend to be stuck with some of them.

[Elizabeth]

Not shocking but not great.

His contract is not up yet so too early to start writing him off. He showed enough in his first season back to suggest if he stays free of injury and starts the season running he is going to be anything but shocking next season

[taio]

Well, we get value from some players, and some challenge for a first team slot.
When someone suggests that they are only signed to bulk out the squad it almost implies that they are some kind of cheap option, which they are not.

Going back to Albrighton, if we could shift a few of our older players then fine, but we tend to be stuck with some of them.

But the point is there is no way Albrighton would be signed as a back up option or to make up the numbers, and it's Albrighton we are discussing. He would be a key player. That's why the comparison with most of the other players you referred to is unhelpful.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It’s one that’s been around all window without any suggestion of them having done anything about it

I only ever really see it on here, usually the same people who massively undervalue him and I suspect they'd have a real whinge if he was sold at the low prices they're saying he's worth

[Newcastleclaret93]

I only ever really see it on here, usually the same people who massively undervalue him and I suspect they'd have a real whinge if he was sold at the low prices they're saying he's worth

Anything less than 50m and we have had our pants down.

[boatshed bill]

I'm guessing that most posters on here will be happy that half our squad is 30yrs old or more.

Well, when the team gets totally knackered, or emotionally drained before the end of the season make sure not to complain about it

[taio]

Anything less than 50m and we have had our pants down.

What do you think Daniel James is worth in comparison?

[Rileybobs]

I'm guessing that most posters on here will be happy that half our squad is 30yrs old or more.

Well, when the team gets totally knackered, or emotionally drained before the end of the season make sure not to complain about it

Do you not think that the number 30 is incredibly arbitrary? Footballers don’t wake up on the morning of their 30th birthday to find that their ‘legs have gone’. It’s just a nice round number but means absolutely nothing.

[Newcastleclaret93]

What do you think Daniel James is worth in comparison?

Given McNeil is younger and has better stats than James I would say around the 25m mark.

So he’s probably out of our range but one can dream.

[boatshed bill]

But players of the same proven quality and 10 years younger are out of our price bracket. Obviously we could sign unproven younger players, as we have done with Collins, but whilst they come with a chance of a big sell on fee they equally carry a risk that they won’t make the step up. As such we need a balanced squad comprising of younger and older players.

Furthermore, signing a player of Albrighton’s age gives a sense of security for the duration of that contract, as that player is far less likely to have his head turned.

I don't think they are necessarily out of our price range, but maybe we aren't looking in the right places, or maybe our manager has a fixed approach in what he wants.
How much did those two Czech chaps cost West Ham?

[Rileybobs]

I don't think they are necessarily out of our price range, but maybe we aren't looking in the right places, or maybe our manager has a fixed approach in what he wants.
How much did those two Czech chaps cost West Ham?

Soucek cost around £18m! Coufal was around £5m but signed for West Ham at 28 years old so not a great deal of difference to Albrighton.