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Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:35 pm
We always seem to prioritise keepers in the market.

For me it’s literally the last position that needs strengthening right now.

We desperately need some midfielders adding
Not if BPF is going it isnt

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Post by taio » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:39 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:35 pm
We always seem to prioritise keepers in the market.

For me it’s literally the last position that needs strengthening right now.

We desperately need some midfielders adding
It seems we will absolutely need a keeper.

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Post by MDWat » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:40 pm

You prioritise the player you can sign, not always the positions you need. Of course we need a centre back and a couple of wide players. But if a top drawer centre forward became available within our budget, do you think we wouldn’t do it just because we need a midfielder? No chance. If we’ve recognised BPF isn’t good enough and Hennessey has been deemed good enough and he’s now available, we should be absolutely all over it.

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Post by DCWat » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:41 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:35 pm
We always seem to prioritise keepers in the market.

For me it’s literally the last position that needs strengthening right now.

We desperately need some midfielders adding
You’re assuming that we are only looking at keepers. Just because that’s what is being reported, doesn’t mean that’s all we are looking at (the Ivorian lad being an apparent focus, suggests otherwise too).

I certainly don’t disagree that midfield is a key area that needs improving, but equally, having seen BPF and Norris in goal, I’d argue that it’s a pretty important area for improvement.

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Post by DCWat » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:42 pm

Two pronged attack from the ‘Wats’ :D

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 pm

MDWat wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:40 pm
You prioritise the player you can sign, not always the positions you need. Of course we need a centre back and a couple of wide players. But if a top drawer centre forward became available within our budget, do you think we wouldn’t do it just because we need a midfielder? No chance. If we’ve recognised BPF isn’t good enough and Hennessey has been deemed good enough and he’s now available, we should be absolutely all over it.
Fair enough I understand that thinking.

I am just very much of the opinion we have spent so much on keepers over the years. Why do we deem it necessary to have three players for one position but often not even two for 1 position in other areas of the pitch.

In my opinion all funds should be prioritised on midfield. 5 weeks till seasons starts and we have 5 players for 4 midfield positions.

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Post by Claret Toni » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:46 pm

DCWat wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:42 pm
Two pronged attack from the ‘Wats’ :D
So that would that be Two Wats. ;)
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Post by DCWat » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:47 pm

Claret Toni wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:46 pm
So that would that be Two Wats. ;)
:D :D
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Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:48 pm

At least with the Euros over Newcastleclaret can focus fully on having tantrums about the transfer window.

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Post by taio » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 pm
Fair enough I understand that thinking.

I am just very much of the opinion we have spent so much on keepers over the years. Why do we deem it necessary to have three players for one position but often not even two for 1 position in other areas of the pitch.

In my opinion all funds should be prioritised on midfield. 5 weeks till seasons starts and we have 5 players for 4 midfield positions.
All premier league clubs have three keepers - it's obviously a much harder position to cover.

We haven't spent a lot on keepers in transfer fees.

Hennessey would be a free transfer.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 pm
etty
Fair enough I understand that thinking.

I am just very much of the opinion we have spent so much on keepers over the years. Why do we deem it necessary to have three players for one position but often not even two for 1 position in other areas of the pitch.

In my opinion all funds should be prioritised on midfield. 5 weeks till seasons starts and we have 5 players for 4 midfield positions.
I do actually agree with you that we are light in that area, but at a push any outfield position can be filled by pretty much any outfield player.With a goalkeeper thats not really possible so having 3 makes sense just in case

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:57 pm

taio wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:51 pm
All premier league clubs have three keepers - it's obviously a much harder position to cover.

We haven't spent a lot on keepers in transfer fees.

Hennessey would be a free transfer.
I fully appreciate we need three keepers, just surprised how we seem to prioritise our finances towards signing keepers.

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Post by NewClaret » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:06 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:57 pm
I fully appreciate we need three keepers, just surprised how we seem to prioritise our finances towards signing keepers.
Think the last 3 games of the season proved how it’s an area where we’ve gone from an embarrassment of riches to being far too light (unfortunately).

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Post by Elizabeth » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:09 pm

I suppose until we hear Albrighton has signed a new contract with Leicester there is still hope he could be a new signing

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Post by Rileybobs » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:14 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:57 pm
I fully appreciate we need three keepers, just surprised how we seem to prioritise our finances towards signing keepers.
In what way do we prioritise our finances towards signing keepers?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:14 pm
In what way do we prioritise our finances towards signing keepers?
To be honest your probably right we haven’t prioritised funds towards them. It just appears that way given the amount we sign

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:22 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 pm
To be honest your probably right we haven’t prioritised funds towards them. It just appears that way given the amount we sign
We have spent very little on goalkeepers' transfer fees.
A fair chunk in wages, particularly when er had 4.
but it is so important to have 3 competent ones.

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Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:41 am

So, we have three goalkeepers two of whom are seen as not good enough (and BPF was given an extended contract just last season)

Excellent job from Mr Mercer and the recruitment team

Hennessey would appear to be a cheap option as on a free but, yet again, just a short term fix - as would have been Young, as would be Albrighton and no doubt Townsend will now be on the same list :(

Wouldn't be surprised if McCarthur or McCarthy are also in the frame
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Post by Bigvince » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:44 am

I’m afraid the days of having 3 England keepers in the squad, are behind us!

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Post by Pearcey » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:49 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:41 am
So, we have three goalkeepers two of whom are seen as not good enough (and BPF was given an extended contract just last season)

Excellent job from Mr Mercer and the recruitment team

Hennessey would appear to be a cheap option as on a free but, yet again, just a short term fix - as would have been Young, as would be Albrighton and no doubt Townsend will now be on the same list :(

Wouldn't be surprised if McCarthur or McCarthy are also in the frame
Out of interest, who would you sign?

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Post by Socrates » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:50 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:41 am
So, we have three goalkeepers two of whom are seen as not good enough (and BPF was given an extended contract just last season)

Excellent job from Mr Mercer and the recruitment team
Just to be clear ….. are you digging out Billy Mercer here?
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:51 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:41 am
So, we have three goalkeepers two of whom are seen as not good enough (and BPF was given an extended contract just last season)

Excellent job from Mr Mercer and the recruitment team

Hennessey would appear to be a cheap option as on a free but, yet again, just a short term fix - as would have been Young, as would be Albrighton and no doubt Townsend will now be on the same list :(

Wouldn't be surprised if McCarthur or McCarthy are also in the frame

Once again just as we reach a peak of stupidity the bar gets raised

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:52 am

Socrates wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:50 am
Just to be clear ….. are you digging out Billy Mercer here?
He will dig out any negative possible he can towards the club, but the bottom lip starts to move when he gets pulled up on it

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Post by Burnleyareback2 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:13 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:57 pm
I fully appreciate we need three keepers, just surprised how we seem to prioritise our finances towards signing keepers.
I’d imagine selling Heaton covered the last 10 years of signing goal keepers- probably longer.

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Post by djemba-djemba » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:17 am

Looks like I and a couple of others were right calling out BPF as garbage.

Seems the manager knows he’s wasted money on him as he looks to ship him out.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:20 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:41 am
So, we have three goalkeepers two of whom are seen as not good enough (and BPF was given an extended contract just last season)

Excellent job from Mr Mercer and the recruitment team

Hennessey would appear to be a cheap option as on a free but, yet again, just a short term fix - as would have been Young, as would be Albrighton and no doubt Townsend will now be on the same list :(

Wouldn't be surprised if McCarthur or McCarthy are also in the frame
I don’t think this is that bad as some posters are making out.

Mercer has worked wonders in the past but our recent goal keepers signings have been pretty poor.

Let’s hope Hennessy comes in and makes a good second foil for Pope

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Post by BenWickes » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:22 am

The goalkeeper position is a premium position. No quality keeper worth his salt will be happy bench warming. They want game time. We have limited funds compared to most clubs but even they resort to the Lee Grant's etc as 2nd/3rd choice.
We're fortunate to have one of the best keepers in the league but it's a double edged sword as good quality keepers know they're going to have to wait for an opportunity that may never come. So well travelled, experienced, reliable keepers is a sensible option for all clubs, not just ours, as back up.
BPF and Norris doesn't seem to have worked out for whatever reason but I am sure Dyche, Mercer et al are looking at promising keepers in the Pope, Heaton mould who are prepared to wait and learn.
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Post by Pearcey » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:23 am

djemba-djemba wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:17 am
Looks like I and a couple of others were right calling out BPF as garbage.

Seems the manager knows he’s wasted money on him as he looks to ship him out.
Or maybe he’s low on confidence and they want him to play a season at a good level to see how he gets on?
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Post by ClaretAL » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:27 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:23 am
Or maybe he’s low on confidence and they want him to play a season at a good level to see how he gets on?
I tend to believe this is the approach. and this kind of backs that up...

https://the72.co.uk/242099/burnley-want ... mpionship/
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Post by ClaretMov » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:02 am

" this is the is the approach"......easy for you to say 😆
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Post by Papabendi » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:24 am

A month to go before the season starts. Tick tock - still waiting for those major upgrades.

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Post by Grumps » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:32 am

Papabendi wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:24 am
A month to go before the season starts. Tick tock - still waiting for those major upgrades.
I think Collins is seen as an upgrade on Dunne and Long.

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:34 am

Yes as things stand right now we are way short. A starting winger is an absolute must. Another one is also required. Not expecting much more but over time would like to see a new right back, upgrade to centre midfield and striker.

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:35 am

Grumps wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:32 am
I think Collins is seen as an upgrade on Dunne and Long.
For as good as Collins may be and how he will perform for us it’s doubtful he’s going to improve the starting 11 initially as he will likely be behind Tark and Mee. So the starting 11 is still the same as what finished last season I.e. way short.

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Post by matttheclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:36 am

SSN saying Hennessey expected to sign. Think he'd be decent backup to Pope

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Post by kentonclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:37 am

As one of the 3 lowest scoring teams in the PL last season (the other 2 were relegated), we desperately need some added firepower and creativity at the top end of the pitch if it is not to be another long hard season in the lower reaches.

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:38 am

I’d have liked a few more in for pre-season, hard to say otherwise.

That said I’d much rather we go for quality over quantity and the better players/their clubs aren’t going to be jumping to move quickly, so inevitable we have to be patient & hope!

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:39 am

matttheclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:36 am
SSN saying Hennessey expected to sign. Think he'd be decent backup to Pope
Hope that’s true. To add that experience and loan BPF to get some game time would be a good step forward.

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Post by duncandisorderly » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:42 am

The starting XI isn't way short though.
We need depth, certainly, and it'd be nice to upgrade our 1st XI, but our 100% fit first XI would finish midtable.

A winger to come in for the inevitably injured JBG is perhaps the most essential, but Pope not playing showed how lacking our other goalkeepers are, so a back up keeper is high up the list.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:47 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:38 am
I’d have liked a few more in for pre-season, hard to say otherwise.

That said I’d much rather we go for quality over quantity and the better players/their clubs aren’t going to be jumping to move quickly, so inevitable we have to be patient & hope!
I appreciate that comment, I would prefer quality over quantity but at this moment we are going into the season with 5 midfielders for 4 positions.

4 further signings required before the season starts.

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Post by matttheclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:49 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:39 am
Hope that’s true. To add that experience and loan BPF to get some game time would be a good step forward.
Agree. If we were without Pope for a few games (like last season) I'd rather have Hennessey to come in rather than BPF or Norris.
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Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:54 am

Pearcey wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:49 am
Out of interest, who would you sign?
I would like to see us to be going for people like Connor Gallagher and Dan James, neither of whom should be out of our financial budgets

Also players such as these have a future which we could build on, bringing in added value - something Mr Pace would seem to prefer

I did say Hennessey was a cheap option, not that we shouldn't buy him

But Mercer gets a lot of plaudits on here yet he will have had a strong say in the picks of BPF and Norris so has to take some of the blame if, indeed, SD does not want either of these two guys playing at first team level

Townsend, McCarthy and McCarthur have all been linked with us in the past and we know SD seems to like experience over youth

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:59 am

Must admit I am surprised from a business image point of view they have gone for Hennessy given he was caught doing Nazi salutes on camera.

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Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:02 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:47 am
I appreciate that comment, I would prefer quality over quantity but at this moment we are going into the season with 5 midfielders for 4 positions.
McNeil, Westwood, Cork, Brownhill, Stephens, JBG and Benson makes seven but I am being pedantic (and they are all still part of a considerable wage budget)

However, Stephens and Benson will never get anywhere near unless injuries prevail, plus another year may see Westy and Cork really struggle for the pace required in the modern game

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Post by Tall Paul » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:12 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:37 am
As one of the 3 lowest scoring teams in the PL last season (the other 2 were relegated), we desperately need some added firepower and creativity at the top end of the pitch if it is not to be another long hard season in the lower reaches.
I'm not sure why anyone would expect anything but a long hard season in the lower reaches. It's no wonder there's so much whinging when expectations are so unrealistic.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:24 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:02 am
McNeil, Westwood, Cork, Brownhill, Stephens, JBG and Benson makes seven but I am being pedantic (and they are all still part of a considerable wage budget)

However, Stephens and Benson will never get anywhere near unless injuries prevail, plus another year may see Westy and Cork really struggle for the pace required in the modern game
I didn’t count Stephens because I was under the impression he is injured for the foreseeable.

I didn’t count Benson purely down to the fact I thought he had already gone to Barnsley. Just checked he hasn’t gone yet.

However as you mention they can’t even be really classed as options as they won’t ever feature

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Post by kentonclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:36 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:12 am
I'm not sure why anyone would expect anything but a long hard season in the lower reaches. It's no wonder there's so much whinging when expectations are so unrealistic.
I would suggest you take a good look at the thread at the start of last season for "predicted finishing position" and you will see plenty of posters predicting top 10 and comfortable mid-table. No doubt the same will happen again this time around.

At least we know now that it will be bottom 5 or lower and that is the limit of our expectations.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:40 am

Unless we bring in three new signings, then we are risking it a lot more than we should be

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:49 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:12 am
I'm not sure why anyone would expect anything but a long hard season in the lower reaches. It's no wonder there's so much whinging when expectations are so unrealistic.
Maybe because we’ve got a top class manager who would likely secure top 10 with good backing in the market? (He’s already done this twice including a 7th!)

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by djemba-djemba » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:54 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:02 am
McNeil, Westwood, Cork, Brownhill, Stephens, JBG and Benson makes seven but I am being pedantic (and they are all still part of a considerable wage budget)

However, Stephens and Benson will never get anywhere near unless injuries prevail, plus another year may see Westy and Cork really struggle for the pace required in the modern game
I’d forgotten about Stephens - another joker who will be taking something around £30k a week I’d expect.

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