Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Rileybobs]

Regardless of what McNeill’s market value is, he’s presently worth a lot more to Burnley than £25m.

[Bigvince]

You really don’t rate McNeil do you?

Or he’s one of the many on here that enjoy a spot of fishing

[claretonthecoast1882]

Last 2 full seasons

James 6 goals and 7 assists in 3188 minutes (35.5 games) age 23

McNeil 4 goals and 12 assists in 6407 minutes (71 games) age 21


Struggling to work out how Dwight is worth twice as much as James

[ClaretTony]

Or he’s one of the many on here that enjoy a spot of fishing

No. Too many threads from him on McNeil.

[jedi_master]

Unsure how anyone could not rate Dwight McNeil, both in terms of his current value to Burnley (i.e, literally our only winger we can rely on for fitness, and our only source of creativity in the entire squad) at far beyond that reported price. In fact, and I tend to be realistic with valuations I feel, I would genuinely be looking for £50m to let him go. If he was to leave we would need three wide players in - far too much to do with our usual record in the market.

We are an incredibly conservative, defensive and rigid team - McNeil is the only player we have who doesn't immediately look to the obvious option or the 50/50. We cannot let him go this summer, it would be a potential death knell in my opinion.

[Papabendi]

You really don’t rate McNeil do you?

I thought last time out, barring a couple of displays, he had a really poor season, and had moved backwards in terms of his development. I am not sure how anyone could disagree otherwise, to be honest. If he was a player signed from another club, without the sentiment McNeil will inevitably therefore receive, some might be even more unkind in their characterisation.

25m is not to be sniffed at, by the way.

[WiscoClaret]

Re: Cornet

http://sportwitness.co.uk/clubs-e13m-as ... -recently/

Apparently we asked but he’s not interested?!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Last 2 full seasons

James 6 goals and 7 assists in 3188 minutes (35.5 games) age 23

McNeil 4 goals and 12 assists in 6407 minutes (71 games) age 21


Struggling to work out how Dwight is worth twice as much as James

For me it comes down to the club he’s playing for. James is playing for one of the most attacking clubs in the league with some of the worlds best talent. He has proven ok at this level.

McNeil is playing with players that are frankly bottom of the league quality and at the age of 21 has proven to be best technical player at the club.

I would argue if Dwight can get them figures playing for Burnley he could get at least double/treble them figures in a more attacking line up

[ClaretTony]

Last 2 full seasons

James 6 goals and 7 assists in 3188 minutes (35.5 games) age 23

McNeil 4 goals and 12 assists in 6407 minutes (71 games) age 21


Struggling to work out how Dwight is worth twice as much as James

The problem of making decisions based on some numbers is why you struggling. They don’t exactly play for similar teams.

[claretonthecoast1882]

The problem of making decisions based on some numbers is why you struggling. They don’t exactly play for similar teams.

Not really, the struggling part is the dumb idea we can't accept less than 50m for Dwight but James is only worth 25m.

He scored 4 in an average Swansea side 1 season, more than Dwight has ever managed in a season.

He has also scored 4 for Wales in 24 games, he is also a lot more speed.

[PremierLeagueClass]

No player is going to have excellent stats for goals and or assists other than maybe Chris Wood. The wide midfielder position at Burnley is worlds apart from the same position at Man United. Comparing stats is meaningless.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not really, the struggling part is the dumb idea we can't accept less than 50m for Dwight but James is only worth 25m.

He scored 4 in an average Swansea side 1 season, more than Dwight has ever managed in a season.

He has also scored 4 for Wales in 24 games, he is also a lot more speed.

Them 4 goals were in the championship. I’m sure if Dwight dropped down he would comfortably get more than that.

What Dwight lacks in speed he more than makes up for in technical ability.

[KRBFC]

£25M is a fair market value for Dwight imo, he's worth a lot more than that to us though. I know people will blabber ''well what about £30m for Buendia'' but it doesn't work like that, if it did I'd say ''What about 500k for Mahrez'' or ''what about £32m for Sadio Mane''.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Dwight also has 1 international goal in 16 appearances

James has 4 goals in 24 appearances, I am sure you will put that down to him being surrounded by better players at Wales.

For someone who uses stats to bitch about Brownhill since the day he signed it is laughable you ignoring them now.

Please don't feel there is any need to quote me with a reply.

The stats you are using a pointless though it’s like comparing apples with pears. I used Brownhill stats in comparison with other Burnley CMs. Look who is being the snow flake now he is being called out haha

[Papabendi]

Dwight has a lovely left foot, good crossing ability, the skill to beat a man and to score the odd goal.

What he is lacking, which the Premier league values above all else is and would put him in a £50M bracket - pace, physicality and the ability to play with both feet. He isn't going to be able to acquire those therefore there will be a natural ceiling on his value.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

£25M is a fair market value for Dwight imo, he's worth a lot more than that to us though. I know people will blabber ''well what about £30m for Buendia'' but it doesn't work like that, if it did I'd say ''What about 500k for Mahrez'' or ''what about £32m for Sadio Mane''.

Mahrez was an unknown when he went to Leicester, why not use the city transfer figure?

Mane was 5 yrs ago, fees have inflated since plus with Brexit signing cheap unknown foreign lads will be harder.
Under current rules Mahrez wouldn't be going to Leicester.

£25 million is under selling a lad with years left of his contract and one of the few wingers to have the much lauded TAA on toast regularly.

[KRBFC]

Mahrez was an unknown when he went to Leicester, why not use the city transfer figure?

Mane was 5 yrs ago, fees have inflated since plus with Brexit signing cheap unknown foreign lads will be harder.
Under current rules Mahrez wouldn't be going to Leicester.

£25 million is under selling a lad with years left of his contract and one of the few wingers to have the much lauded TAA on toast regularly.

We wont sell at £25m, he's priceless to us. He's a good effective player Mcneil, I don't see him ever becoming a regular in a top 6 side though.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Mahrez was an unknown when he went to Leicester, why not use the city transfer figure?

Mane was 5 yrs ago, fees have inflated since plus with Brexit signing cheap unknown foreign lads will be harder.
Under current rules Mahrez wouldn't be going to Leicester.

£25 million is under selling a lad with years left of his contract and one of the few wingers to have the much lauded TAA on toast regularly.

It’s a very good point. I think people are forgetting the key thing about McNeil he has the best goal contribution stats out of every single midfielder aged 21 or under in the premier league outside of the big six.
He has his deficiencies but people seem to forget he is only 21 and he has 23 goal contributions in 95 premier league appearances, that is whilst being in one of the lowest scoring teams in the league.

[leightonjameslegend]

The only way the fee can be anywhere near 25 million is if there are players involved coming the other way. Mcneil is along with Pope our most valuable assets and if he were let go for a fee like this it would seriously impact our season in a negative way. Leaving only 1 winger JBG who can't stay fit. If we don't have to sell Tarks then why would we sell Mcneil. Makes no sense!

[kentonclaret]

I think that the realisation is dawning that if the fee for Dwight was circa £25m then we are basically screwed with being in a position to bring in the quality replacements in wide/midfield areas where we need strengthening. The fee received would not be enough even if we did manage to identify suitable targets. We haven't manage to bring in one wide player over the last few windows let alone two or three.

[BuryClaret]

L'Equipe reporting this afternoon that Maxwell Cornet prefers a move to Hertha Berlin over ourselves:

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2 ... reference/

[joey13]

I’d be amazed if we got anything over 20m for McNeil

[ksrclaret]

I’d be amazed if we got anything over 20m for McNeil

… in the first instalment, yes, quite right.

[Ric_C]

I’d be amazed if we got anything over 20m for McNeil

I'd be amazed as well, as we aren't selling him

[Vegas Claret]

surprised nobody (us please) has made a move for Periera of WBA in the PL yet. WBA turned down a 7 million bid for him from some Saudi team

[tiger76]

I’d be amazed if we got anything over 20m for McNeil

Good job your not in charge of the club then, he's a young English talent and they always go for premium prices, and crucially we've manged to tie Dwight down on a long term contract, so if anyone was genuinely interested they'll be well aware of this fact, and they should know that we won't let him leave on the cheap.

For comparison Ben White has just gone to Arsenal for £50m, and he's a defender. So that should give people an idea of the current market rates for young English talents.

If Everton are really interested tell them to start at £40m and we might start talking.

[Spijed]

I’d be amazed if we got anything over 20m for McNeil

You should make it a bit more subtle if you are trying to catch a few!

[KRBFC]

surprised nobody (us please) has made a move for Periera of WBA in the PL yet. WBA turned down a 7 million bid for him from some Saudi team

Not a Dyche player, I don't know how we didn't snap up Olise for £8M sooner, weren't even linked with him which is shocking but tells all about what Dyche wants.

[randomclaret2]

L'Equipe reporting this afternoon that Maxwell Cornet prefers a move to Hertha Berlin over ourselves:

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2 ... reference/

Interesting that the figure Lyon are looking for is quoted as €13m in that article, or £11.2m. Im sure the figure quoted last week when the link first emerged was £13m.

[kentonclaret]

Not a Dyche player, I don't know how we didn't snap up Olise for £8M sooner, weren't even linked with him which is shocking but tells all about what Dyche wants.

Perhaps the Dyche "criteria" is so strict and rigid when it comes to players that expecting 2 or 3 additions of any quality during a single window is just being wildly over optimistic.

[WiscoClaret]

Heard we are in/very interested in Tete at Fulham. What do you all think?

Also read that the Yarmolenko deal is almost done, personal terms agreed, and a medical booked. (Very unsure about this but it’s been going around.) I really rate JBG but having two wingers that are injury prone would really be no different than us keeping Brady but Yarmolenko will probably cost us more. He had a good euro campaign BUT he hasn’t pulled up trees at West Ham. He, on his day, is brilliant tho and has a decent work rate.

Not sure how reliable this is but it’s a rumor nonetheless.

[BenWickes]

Some of you would be rubbish at this haggling lark.
Everton. We'll give you £25 million for McNeil.
Burnley. No.
Everton. £28 million.
Burnley. No.
Everton. What are you looking for?
Burnley. Well he's probably only worth £20 million.
Everton. OK £20 million.
Burnley. Done!
Everton. You have been!

[NewClaret]

Heard we are in/very interested in Tete at Fulham. What do you all think?

Also read that the Yarmolenko deal is almost done, personal terms agreed, and a medical booked. (Very unsure about this but it’s been going around.) I really rate JBG but having two wingers that are injury prone would really be no different than us keeping Brady but Yarmolenko will probably cost us more. He had a good euro campaign BUT he hasn’t pulled up trees at West Ham. He, on his day, is brilliant tho and has a decent work rate.

Not sure how reliable this is but it’s a rumor nonetheless.

I’d be delighted with Tete. LTL recommended him a while back pre-Fulham & I think he looked very good there.

Yarmilenko a yes for me with some proviso’s around injury in the contract. This is easy to do given we heavily incentivise our players - bonus’ only kick in after X games played, therefore you have to be fit and available to earn that component. A very clear increase in quality over Brady & cheap too, but I am hoping we are in for another winger.

[kentonclaret]

Heard we are in/very interested in Tete at Fulham. What do you all think?

Also read that the Yarmolenko deal is almost done, personal terms agreed, and a medical booked. (Very unsure about this but it’s been going around.) I really rate JBG but having two wingers that are injury prone would really be no different than us keeping Brady but Yarmolenko will probably cost us more. He had a good euro campaign BUT he hasn’t pulled up trees at West Ham. He, on his day, is brilliant tho and has a decent work rate.

Not sure how reliable this is but it’s a rumor nonetheless.

So let's just summarise.

"The deal is almost done"
"Very unsure about this"
"Not sure how reliable this is but it's a rumour nonetheless"

Take with 3 pinches of salt should be on the prescription.

[randomclaret2]

Heard we are in/very interested in Tete at Fulham. What do you all think?

Also read that the Yarmolenko deal is almost done, personal terms agreed, and a medical booked. (Very unsure about this but it’s been going around.) I really rate JBG but having two wingers that are injury prone would really be no different than us keeping Brady but Yarmolenko will probably cost us more. He had a good euro campaign BUT he hasn’t pulled up trees at West Ham. He, on his day, is brilliant tho and has a decent work rate.

Not sure how reliable this is but it’s a rumor nonetheless.

Where have you read that Yarmolenko is nearly done , WC ?

[randomclaret2]

Nixon confirming that Hennessey is set for a medical, and suggesting BPF may go to Birmingham on loan

[tiger76]

Nixon confirming that Hennessey is set for a medical, and suggesting BPF may go to Birmingham on loan

AH! I wondered where the news of Hennessey was, we were supposed to be tying that deal up today according to the rumours.

Assuming we're keeping Nick, I'd be much more relaxed having WH as an experienced deputy to call upon if and when required, it makes sense for BPF to go out on loan and get some regular action, his brief Burnley appearances haven't exactly inspired confidence that he can make the grade at PL level. But he's still relatively young in keeping terms, so if he gets a good season under his belt at Champ level he may yet be able to stamp his claim to a starting berth in the event of NP being sold for big bucks in 12 months time.

[Colburn_Claret]

I thought last time out, barring a couple of displays, he had a really poor season, and had moved backwards in terms of his development. I am not sure how anyone could disagree otherwise, to be honest. If he was a player signed from another club, without the sentiment McNeil will inevitably therefore receive, some might be even more unkind in their characterisation.

25m is not to be sniffed at, by the way.

I think you're confusing the form of the team with McNeils form. The whole team, due to obvious circumstances, was awful up until the Villa game. We were so negative up until that point, that it was hard for anyone to shine. We rarely crossed the halfway line with any conviction, making it very easy for the opposition to mark our one real threat.
I doubt James would have achieved anything in those circumstances.
We put far too much on Dwights shoulders, yet he gets on with it, and often shines. For one so young, who isn't the finished article he has to be worth 50 million of anyones money.
Liverpool have shown how average players can shine with talent around them, until they join an average team and bomb. If Dwight can perform so well for us, then with better players around him he would more than shine.

[WiscoClaret]

So let's just summarise.

"The deal is almost done"
"Very unsure about this"
"Not sure how reliable this is but it's a rumour nonetheless"

Take with 3 pinches of salt should be on the prescription.

Yes, three pinches of salt. I mostly said how unsure I was to avoid anyone getting into an argument about what a rumor was! Sometimes people can go off on others when you pass along hearsay.

[BenWickes]

Yes, three pinches of salt. I mostly said how unsure I was to avoid anyone one getting into an argument about what a rumor was! Sometimes people can go off on others when you pass along hearsay.

You don't need much ammunition on here. Some of these could start an argument in an empty room.

[WiscoClaret]

Where have you read that Yarmolenko is nearly done , WC ?

This guy called Townsend to Everton well before it happened. Has some interesting Burnley news. Really well connected at Everton it seems.

https://twitter.com/PremITK1/status/141 ... 94784?s=20

[Spijed]

This guy called Townsend to Everton well before it happened. Has some interesting Burnley news. Really well connected at Everton it seems.

https://twitter.com/PremITK1/status/141 ... 94784?s=20

Hardly got the same following as Alan Nixon!

[Hedontplayforyou]

There was a guy going around last year or the year before talking nonsense on Twitter, people were taking him as gospel, Andy Ridgewell was his name I think, (or the name he was going under) , it was all nonsense, confirmed by myself feeding him nonsense stories after I told him I was a former employee of a premier league football club. He basically repeated everything I said , it was 200% nonsense, so BEWARE OF TWITTER AND ITS FAKE ACCOUNTS

[tiger76]

There was a guy going around last year or the year before talking nonsense on Twitter, people were taking him as gospel, Andy Ridgewell was his name I think, (or the name he was going under) , it was all nonsense, confirmed by myself feeding him nonsense stories after I told him I was a former employee of a premier league football club. He basically repeated everything I said , it was 200% nonsense, so BEWARE OF TWITTER AND ITS FAKE ACCOUNTS

I'm astonished people still believe everything they read on Twitter as factual, anybody on this forum could easily should they wish set up an account in a matter of minutes, and post any old rubbish, it doesn't make it correct.

The only concrete link I've seen in the national press is WH joining, everything else is all conjecture, now some of it could have substance, but I'll take it with a huge pinch of salt until I see credible sources reporting any news, also don't forget it's the silly season, and also the school holidays have just commenced in England.

Roll on the 31 August when we can get back to discussing the footy, and not be distracted by the usual daft transfer rumours that are currently circulating.

[KRBFC]

I'm astonished people still believe everything they read on Twitter as factual, anybody on this forum could easily should they wish set up an account in a matter of minutes, and post any old rubbish, it doesn't make it correct.

The only concrete link I've seen in the national press is WH joining, everything else is all conjecture, now some of it could have substance, but I'll take it with a huge pinch of salt until I see credible sources reporting any news, also don't forget it's the silly season, and also the school holidays have just commenced in England.

Roll on the 31 August when we can get back to discussing the footy, and not be distracted by the usual daft transfer rumours that are currently circulating.

I enjoy the rumours when it's from a somewhat credible source, it's hilarious how gullible people are though

[tiger76]

I enjoy the rumours when it's from a somewhat credible source, it's hilarious how gullible people are though

Generally if the rumours sound too good too be true then they usually are bunkum, this is why I don't lose any sleep over our transfer activity or lack of, we as fans can't have any impact on that side of the club, and often most links are just click bait anyway.

[Burnley1989]

The irony of some of you lot

[WiscoClaret]

Ok, so I definitely tried to say very unreliable but I still wanted to talk about it. Didn’t want to hear the “don’t trust Twitter” gospel.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The end of the day it’s a discussion thread. If you have heard something and think it’s worth sharing, why not.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Ok, so I definitely tried to say very unreliable but I still wanted to talk about it. Didn’t want to hear the “don’t trust Twitter” gospel.

I trawl through Twitter on the regular, trying to syphon through the genuine and the fake, it’s just an observation. And for the record I think Tete would be half decent if it was/is true.

However this line makes me think it’s a silly bugger at work