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Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:14 am**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:11 am
If we’re banking on a 20 year old with no Prem experience to replace Tarkowski, I’ll be worried. Collins looks like a good signing but one for the future and possibly RB cover first. If Tarks is off I think we need someone more experienced- not even sure Phillips ticks that box really.

Did Phillips not spend a year playing abroad?

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:31 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:37 am
Origi is available for between 6-8m.

Is he worth a punt?

Wages are £50-60k a week apparently, so we'd potentially have to break our wage structure.

There's a good player in there, who can score.
Problem is he doesn't do it frequently enough, but that's not helped by not getting a massive amount of mins up front.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:31 am
Wages are £50-60k a week apparently, so we'd potentially have to break our wage structure.

There's a good player in there, who can score.
Problem is he doesn't do it frequently enough, but that's not helped by not getting a massive amount of mins up front.

I don't think 50-60k would break our wage structure, I think we may already be in the region.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:49 am**

Grumps wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:14 am
Did Phillips not spend a year playing abroad?

Didn’t know that. Just seen he played 22 Bundesliga games season before last, so more experienced than I thought.

I think if we lost Tarks but signed Phillips and Collins, we’d have a weaker first team but stronger squad. Not that we could consider that a bad outcome or unexpected given the circumstances. Two very good signings.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:54 am**

Raggus wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am
I don't think 50-60k would break our wage structure, I think we may already be in the region.

We are, but to entice him to join us we'd have to offer more than that.
I'm not against it for the right player, but then it trickles down.
Our captain is out of contract next year I think, so he'd want parity I suspect especially as he's proven how key he is to our defence.
Then those below him would also want decent rises etc.

I'm not sure Origi is worth it

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:55 am**

Just got asked for directions for Burnley training ground by a nice young chap in a grey mercedes

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:07 am**

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:39 am
He would be a great player for a smaller club than Liverpool, but he will be on big wages I would assume. I would guess West Ham or abroad.

Origi a great player for a smaller club? Do you mean a bit like Jordon Ibe & Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth?

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:11 am**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:07 am
Origi a great player for a smaller club? Do you mean a bit like Jordon Ibe & Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth?

fair comment.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:13 am**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:07 am
Origi a great player for a smaller club? Do you mean a bit like Jordon Ibe & Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth?

Completely different kind of signing for me.

They were buying potential with Ibe and Solanke neither of them had ever really played for Liverpool.

I think in general origi has performed well for Belgium and when called upon for Liverpool

For around 6-8m I think it would be good business.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:16 am**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:55 am
Just got asked for directions for Burnley training ground by a nice young chap in a grey mercedes

Must be a development squad player, or the new apprentice groundsman, if it was a 20 year old Mercedes without a sat nav, and you didnt recognise the young drivers face....
Must be his grandad car he's a named driver on.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:21 am**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:49 am
Didn’t know that. Just seen he played 22 Bundesliga games season before last, so more experienced than I thought.

Stuttgart were in the 2nd division when he was on loan there. Got promoted that season.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:26 am**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:13 am
Completely different kind of signing for me.

They were buying potential with Ibe and Solanke neither of them had ever really played for Liverpool.

I think in general origi has performed well for Belgium and when called upon for Liverpool

For around 6-8m I think it would be good business.

It's easier to be an impact sub or perform for limited performances than it is to be consistent over the duration of a season.
We've seen it last season when Wood went through that rough patch, but then pulled himself out of it.

Origi has made 100 league appearances in 7 years and scored 19 league goals.
Yes hes popped up with some crucial goals in big finals etc, but his best league season at Liverpool was 7 goals in 34 appearances in 16-17
If we were shipping out Barnes or Jay then maybe Origi would be worth a punt, but he ain't shifting Wood anytime soon, maybe not even Vydra.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:29 am**

Found out the other week that Nat Phillips' dad is Jimmy Phillips who used to play for Bolton

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:34 am**

I don't think a 1 in 5 striker for £6-8m is that OTT to be honest. Wood was £15m and has become a one in three, but you'd say to buy a guaranteed 1 in 3 striker now would be closer to £25m.

I'd be happy to bet on Origi scoring 10 goals next season for us were we to sign him.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 am**

MACCA wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:16 am
Must be a development squad player, or the new apprentice groundsman, if it was a 20 year old Mercedes without a sat nav, and you didnt recognise the young drivers face....
Must be his grandad car he's a named driver on.

Spoke with an Irish accent, and looked like him too.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:43 am**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:26 am
It's easier to be an impact sub or perform for limited performances than it is to be consistent over the duration of a season.
We've seen it last season when Wood went through that rough patch, but then pulled himself out of it.

Origi has made 100 league appearances in 7 years and scored 19 league goals.
Yes hes popped up with some crucial goals in big finals etc, but his best league season at Liverpool was 7 goals in 34 appearances in 16-17
If we were shipping out Barnes or Jay then maybe Origi would be worth a punt, but he ain't shifting Wood anytime soon, maybe not even Vydra.

That season of 34 appearances was 14 starts and 20 sub appearances. Certain players that are used as impact subs can look worse than they are - 7 goals in those circumstances isn't too bad.

I'd take Origi. He's a handful and is still relatively young at 26(I think).

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:50 am**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:29 am
Found out the other week that Nat Phillips' dad is Jimmy Phillips who used to play for Bolton

Not only played for them but has been caretaker manager I think three times. Started and ended his playing career at Bolton. Nat Phillips started at Bolton and was in the academy with his dad in charge.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:54 am**

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:54 am
Mee, Collins, Philips, Long
Thats four
I'm not sure we need more than that tbh.

That’s what Liverpool thought last season. 5 would be better.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:56 am**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:55 am
Just got asked for directions for Burnley training ground by a nice young chap in a grey mercedes

Wot no satnav?

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:57 am**

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:54 am
That’s what Liverpool thought last season. 5 would be better.

Not sure we can carry that with the financial reality tbh, and we are not Liverpool and won't have the amount of games that they play (based on our normal cup runs!)

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:01 pm**

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:57 am
Not sure we can carry that with the financial reality tbh, and we are not Liverpool and won't have the amount of games that they play (based on our normal cup runs!)

You are probably correct, financially. Liverpool seemed to lose VVD, Gomez and Matip over a very short period of time, moved Henderson back to CB and lost him. Scary if that were to happen to us.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm**

So Jimmy Dunne is set to bail
It's a shame I thought he was going to break through but Sean obviously saw Jimmy as one for the future

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:12 pm**

I must admit I’m not keen on Phillips , he’s 24 and has barely played any professional football. This is the type of signing I would compare to Ibe and Solanke, very little professional football and large fee

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:14 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:26 am
It's easier to be an impact sub or perform for limited performances than it is to be consistent over the duration of a season.
We've seen it last season when Wood went through that rough patch, but then pulled himself out of it.

Origi has made 100 league appearances in 7 years and scored 19 league goals.
Yes hes popped up with some crucial goals in big finals etc, but his best league season at Liverpool was 7 goals in 34 appearances in 16-17
If we were shipping out Barnes or Jay then maybe Origi would be worth a punt, but he ain't shifting Wood anytime soon, maybe not even Vydra.

Strikers need to play regularly, and in a regular position. Just look at Lingard at WHU, and even Chris Wood.
The question for me isn't, is Origi good enough ? He is. Rather would he suit our style of play ? That's debatable, but for 6-8mill worth a punt.
I doubt we'd get him for that as there are bound to be more interested parties.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:16 pm**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:11 pm
So Jimmy Dunne is set to bail
It's a shame I thought he was going to break through but Sean obviously saw Jimmy as one for the future

I thought Thomas had more promise than Dunne in what little I have seen of either, certainly more composed, but he seems to be getting pushed down the pecking order too, though I believe he is somewhat shorter than Dunne and Collins

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:18 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:12 pm
I must admit I’m not keen on Phillips , he’s 24 and has barely played any professional football. This is the type of signing I would compare to Ibe and Solanke, very little professional football and large fee

Of all the centre backs we've been linked with, Phillips looks the best for me. If we were fortunate to get him and Collins, I would definitely start Phillips ahead of Collins, perhaps see if Collins can push for Lowts spot.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:21 pm**

Jimmy Dunne is a bit of an enigma to me. Got rave reviews from Dons fans when in Scotland and I expected him to kick on, but all the loan spells after that were backwards. He could hardly get on the pitch in a struggling Sunderland side, and their fans, that I know, thought he was a donkey.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:23 pm**

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:18 pm
Of all the centre backs we've been linked with, Phillips looks the best for me. If we were fortunate to get him and Collins, I would definitely start Phillips ahead of Collins, perhaps see if Collins can push for Lowts spot.

It’s an interesting one, I thought he looked ok when he played us. However, I also saw him look very very poor on a couple of occasions. Obviously he will be playing in a much different set up with a lot of protection with us, but I just don’t see it if I’m honest. He looks clumsy and slow.

Hopefully I’m wrong and he was just having an off day.

My main concern is just the lack of playing time Phillips has had at 24 years old. For the rumoured 15m fee it will take to sign him surely there has got to be better available.

However I will say I really rate Collins, think he could be a star for us.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:48 pm**

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:56 am
Wot no satnav?

I think it was trying to send him down the stepping stones

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:52 pm**

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:56 am
Wot no satnav?

I would say if he is Irish he would be driving an old banger

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:03 pm**

Burnley being linked with a move for Barcelona striker Martin Braithwaite by Diario Sport

https://twitter.com/sport/status/140766 ... 55432?s=21

https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/ ... m-11850412

Martin Braithwaite may be one of Barça's surprise sales this summer. The footballer already knows through his environment that he must leave the Blaugrana club yes or yes after the signings of Depay and Kun Agüero and his first intention was to try to fight for a place in the squad, but Barça has already told him that no will have minutes. The Eurocup has been a good showcase for the Danish and up to four English clubs have already asked about Braithwaite's situation, although an offer that comes from Russia may also be being studied.

Braithwaite signed for Barça in February 2020 and after an injury crisis. The Blaugrana club paid the 18 million euros of its termination clause, although the club always made it clear that it would be an emergency solution and that a way out should be sought in the future. The pandemic made its transfer impossible last summer despite the fact that there were also transfer proposals and this year should be the final one. The clear objective of the club is to recover a good part of the 18 million euros invested.

The Danish attacker is having a good European Championship, where he starts with Denmark despite playing more heeled at the winger position. His performance has been excellent and several English clubs believe that it may be a good signing opportunity. West Ham, Brighton, Burnley and the recently promoted Norwich are on the prowl, but Barça have also opened a negotiating channel with a Russian club that can bear fruit as long as the Dane accepts the operation.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:05 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:23 pm

My main concern is just the lack of playing time Phillips has had at 24 years old. For the rumoured 15m fee it will take to sign him surely there has got to be better available.

This will be a growing problem for a number of lads who've held onto the dream that they can make it at the big clubs.
We got lucky that the likes of Trippier and Mee didn't want to hang around at City, but there will be a lot more like Phillips and I think its bad for them and the game overall.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:10 pm**

Also being linked with Swedish Keeper Robin Olsen who is back with Roma after his spell at Everton last season

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/everton-r ... on-burnley

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:15 pm**

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:21 pm
Jimmy Dunne is a bit of an enigma to me. Got rave reviews from Dons fans when in Scotland and I expected him to kick on, but all the loan spells after that were backwards. He could hardly get on the pitch in a struggling Sunderland side, and their fans, that I know, thought he was a donkey.

Not the view my mate up at Sunderland had of him but he went to Sunderland and found the place toxic.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:16 pm**

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:54 am
Mee, Collins, Philips, Long

Thats four

I'm not sure we need more than that tbh, especially considering how sparse we are elsewhere

Are we forgetting Tarky here?

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:19 pm**

Think the assumption is JT would have left by then.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:24 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:19 pm
Think the assumption is JT would have left by then.

Dyche has said that he expects him to be here next season and I think that’s more than likely to be the case.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:31 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:24 pm
Dyche has said that he expects him to be here next season and I think that’s more than likely to be the case.

Even if tarks insists on leaving when/if an appropriate offer comes in, that scenario might not happen but it’s a possibility it could & that’s when things could potentially change. We can’t say for certain nobody can.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:40 pm**

What if we sign these two centre backs and tarkowski then decides to sign another contract ? We could potentially be left with another gibson scenario

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:44 pm**

mill hill claret wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:40 pm
What if we sign these two centre backs and tarkowski then decides to sign another contract ? We could potentially be left with another gibson scenario

Maybe we aren't trying to sign both CBs and are going for either/or. Or being seen to have an interest in an alternative to pressurise a seller.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:48 pm**

He could hardly get on the pitch in a struggling Sunderland side, and their fans, that I know, thought he was a donkey

Wasn't he just on the comeback from a serious injury at Sunderland? From what I have seen, he hasn't looked the same since that injury so will be interesting to see how he develops going forward.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:50 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:24 pm
Dyche has said that he expects him to be here next season and I think that’s more than likely to be the case.

a point re-enforced in this article

https://theathletic.com/2667074/2021/06 ... dailyemail

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:52 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:05 pm
This will be a growing problem for a number of lads who've held onto the dream that they can make it at the big clubs.
We got lucky that the likes of Trippier and Mee didn't want to hang around at City, but there will be a lot more like Phillips and I think its bad for them and the game overall.

Yes a loan with option to buy would be the best way forward but that doesn't always suit the selling club.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:57 pm**

mee/tarks/phillips and collins would be brilliant to start the season with in that department

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:56 pm**

Stoke end of thinsg reporting Collins is 12 million + add ons
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/f ... ns-5562252

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:17 pm**

If we get Collins and Phillips/Worrall in, whilst also keeping Tarky till his contract expires (for me, a better option than £10m or so, if that is the alternative) then that is a fantastic start to business!

If we show the same enthusiasm a bit further forward down the pitch in the rest of the window to that, I would be beyond delighted. I thought pre window we needed four in and I stand by that (two centre backs, a right winger and another central midfield option).

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:27 pm**

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:17 pm
If we get Collins and Phillips/Worrall in, whilst also keeping Tarky till his contract expires (for me, a better option than £10m or so, if that is the alternative) then that is a fantastic start to business!

If we show the same enthusiasm a bit further forward down the pitch in the rest of the window to that, I would be beyond delighted. I thought pre window we needed four in and I stand by that (two centre backs, a right winger and another central midfield option).

I agree. If we go in to next season with successors to Mee and Tarks on the bench, we’ll be a lot stronger and the chances of survival much higher. I’d keep Tarks for what we’d get though.

I agree about needing to strengthen in attacking positions too. I’d say 2x wingers needed over a central midfielder though. Only on the basis of having 4 midfielders (if you count Stephen’s) and 2 wingers currently though - neither situation is ideal.

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:29 pm**

RBFC wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:03 pm
Burnley being linked with a move for Barcelona striker Martin Braithwaite by Diario Sport

https://twitter.com/sport/status/140766 ... 55432?s=21

https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/ ... m-11850412

Martin Braithwaite may be one of Barça's surprise sales this summer. The footballer already knows through his environment that he must leave the Blaugrana club yes or yes after the signings of Depay and Kun Agüero and his first intention was to try to fight for a place in the squad, but Barça has already told him that no will have minutes. The Eurocup has been a good showcase for the Danish and up to four English clubs have already asked about Braithwaite's situation, although an offer that comes from Russia may also be being studied.

Braithwaite signed for Barça in February 2020 and after an injury crisis. The Blaugrana club paid the 18 million euros of its termination clause, although the club always made it clear that it would be an emergency solution and that a way out should be sought in the future. The pandemic made its transfer impossible last summer despite the fact that there were also transfer proposals and this year should be the final one. The clear objective of the club is to recover a good part of the 18 million euros invested.

The Danish attacker is having a good European Championship, where he starts with Denmark despite playing more heeled at the winger position. His performance has been excellent and several English clubs believe that it may be a good signing opportunity. West Ham, Brighton, Burnley and the recently promoted Norwich are on the prowl, but Barça have also opened a negotiating channel with a Russian club that can bear fruit as long as the Dane accepts the operation.

I wished Clubcall on teletext still existed for their take on this story

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:42 pm**

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:29 pm
I wished Clubcall on teletext still existed for their take on this story

With the 1st £5 spent on being welcomed to Turf Moor the home of Burnley Football Club by Jimmy Mullen

Posted: **Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:49 pm**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:42 pm
With the 1st £5 spent on being welcomed to Turf Moor the home of Burnley Football Club by Jimmy Mullen

Spent a small fortune on Clubcall in the late 80's/early 90's. Drawn in by 'exciting news' which they'll bring you in just a few moments. Only to find out, eventually; it really wasn't worth waiting for.

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