ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:12 pm

Benson sold to Barnsley tommorrow so even more cover needed

If true hasn't his likely replacement played in our first two friendlies

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:28 pm

Where's Daniel J Waterhouse when you need him?

He called alot, he was sure Jones was coming here! Maybe he might?

Benson out, Maitland-Niles in, great business

Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm

Benson out, Maitland-Niles in, great business

I quite like Benson thought in flashes he looked good.

However I think Maitland Niles would be great alongside Westwood

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:45 pm

Few folk going early with the panic button this year!

I’ve gone a step further and taken Skybet up in their kind offer of us going down.

I think this season is a season too far.

Is Benson definitely going to Barnsley, then?

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:41 pm

Is Benson definitely going to Barnsley, then?

Looks like it. Dyche couldn’t comment on it tonight.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:46 pm

Looks like it. Dyche couldn’t comment on it tonight.

Thanks. I've not seen the interview, but will check it out later.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:38 pm

I quite like Benson thought in flashes he looked good.

However I think Maitland Niles would be great alongside Westwood

He won't be coming to Burnley not at the 20 million asking fee Arsenal want

We've already finished our business for the season. Enjoy the pre season games and the upcoming season. Don't stress.

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:22 pm

If true hasn't his likely replacement played in our first two friendlies

MANCINI!.......

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:58 pm

Just seen Kev Long in a brand new red Porsche 4x4

Apparently, doubles up as an early morning cleaner down at Barnfield to make ends meet

And people on here slag him off!

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:33 am

We've already finished our business for the season. Enjoy the pre season games and the upcoming season. Don't stress.

Oh the irony!

Claret_tinted wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:40 pm

I’ve gone a step further and taken Skybet up in their kind offer of us going down.

I think this season is a season too far.

Should have used bet365 you would stand to get a return of £3.50 instead of £3.25 with skybet

I'm not sure if it has been posted on here already, but Thomas Robert left us without securing a development squad contract. He is now looking for a spot with Salford City.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/loc ... s-24624631

Shrugs, it might not be much, but it is transfer news.

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:12 pm

Benson sold to Barnsley tommorrow so even more cover needed

Think this one will come back to bite us. He’s got a contract until 2023. Loan him out, if he has a successful season he’ll either be pushing for a 1st team slot here or we’d be able to sell him for much more.

I just wish Stephens was fit so we could off load him and give kids like Benson more of a chance.

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:13 am

I'm not sure if it has been posted on here already, but Thomas Robert left us without securing a development squad contract. He is now looking for a spot with Salford City.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/loc ... s-24624631

Shrugs, it might not be much, but it is transfer news.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=56047

I agree 100% will the sale of Benson.
Hes a decent player. But nowhere near the standard required to compete in premier league.

If we get a million for Benson (who hasn’t quite looked good enough, for me) then that’s the academy/signing of U23 players working to a tee isn’t it? We either get them in the first team helping us out on the pitch, or they are of a sufficient quality to make us decent money.

Who knows, that might be the difference that allows us to up a bid for one of our targets.

jedi_master wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:21 am

If we get a million for Benson (who hasn’t quite looked good enough, for me) then that’s the academy/signing of U23 players working to a tee isn’t it? We either get them in the first team helping us out on the pitch, or they are of a sufficient quality to make us decent money.

Who knows, that might be the difference that allows us to up a bid for one of our targets.

This is what the academy should be for, to either make 1st players for money from sales.
That's what everyone else does, we're just a bit behind with this.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:08 am

Should have used bet365 you would stand to get a return of £3.50 instead of £3.25 with skybet

9/4 is a good price I think. I might be taking money off the bookies this year!

FeedTheArf wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:15 am

Think this one will come back to bite us. He’s got a contract until 2023. Loan him out, if he has a successful season he’ll either be pushing for a 1st team slot here or we’d be able to sell him for much more.

I just wish Stephens was fit so we could off load him and give kids like Benson more of a chance.

He’s not technically good enough. You don’t coach that into a 20 odd y/o. Rightly moving on to pursue a career.

We have a responsibility to create opportunities for our squad to have a career rather than rot in the 23’s.

Latest comments from Dyche regarding transfers (from Lancs Live. https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/t ... 161162.amp)

West Ham want Phil Bardsley

Claret_tinted wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:50 am

He’s not technically good enough. You don’t coach that into a 20 odd y/o. Rightly moving on to pursue a career.

We have a responsibility to create opportunities for our squad to have a career rather than rot in the 23’s.

I would have keep him as well. £1m including potential add ons is not a huge amount.

He isn't ready for the Premiership, but I feel that he could do a job for a Championship club.

The problem is that a lot of people on here seem to have tunnel vision. They believe that what we need this season is what we will need next season. Benson still has a long contract with us so the need to move him on isn't urgent.

We should be planning with one eye on staying in the PL and one eye and what we would do if we got relegated. Should the worst happen this season then a player like Benson could be very handy for us in the Championship, especially if we lose or sell players as many clubs do when they drop.

Wave goodbye to him now for a relatively small fee and we might struggle to find a replacement at a similar price should we get relegated. Keeping him on the books and sending him on loan to a club in the Championship for the coming season makes a lot more sense to me. If we get relegated he is still with us and if he has a good season on loan his value will rise by quite a bit.

If the argument is about coaching technical ability then we should have sold Mumbongo instead of loaning him out.

Re Benson. Possibly insert a buy back clause as £1m seems a snip.

I see the sale of Benson, if that’s what it’s going to be , as a bold positive move by Dyche and the new owners. It tells me that we are not prepared to stand still and wait for things to happen.
So many exciting things happening on the young players front and the 1-2 new signings that are on their way fills me with confidence that we’re not going to have sub standard benches next season

If the reports of Millwall are also enquiring about Benson are true then I would of liked Burnley to have struck up a part exchange plus cash offer for Wallace to come the other way, he's exactly the type of player we need on the right wing

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:24 pm

The problem is that a lot of people on here seem to have tunnel vision. They believe that what we need this season is what we will need next season. Benson still has a long contract with us so the need to move him on isn't urgent.

Maybe Benson wanted to go

"£1m including potential add ons is not a huge amount."
It is for a club short of cash...

Deal agreed for Benson according to BBC Sheffield journalist, just a medical now.

claretandy wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:23 pm

Deal agreed for Benson according to BBC Sheffield journalist, just a medical now.

Is Mancini replacing Benson as the fringe CM player in the squad this season then?

The other way to look at it is if we loaned him to the Championship and he didn't do well then we'd be lucky to get £500k. A ~£1m with % sell on is probably the safer bet.

Gomez-Mancini has always looked the better player to me when they've played together in the U23s and this summer has been moved up from the U23 preseason tour to starting for the first team so maybe they've felt he's progressed to the point where he can replace/surpass Benson.

Just read that United are thinking of offloading Phil Jones on a free transfer and former boss David Moyes is interested in taking him to West Ham on a "highly incentivised" contract. Newcastle are allegedly also interested. Phil is 29 and hasn't played any football for 18 months since he was injured. Some might say he didn't play much before his injury either.

Everton have made Dwight McNeil their top target as they set their sights on 'blowing Aston Villa out of the water'.

[Football Insider via @LivEchoEFC

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:57 pm

Everton have made Dwight McNeil their top target as they set their sights on 'blowing Aston Villa out of the water'.

[Football Insider via @LivEchoEFC

The chances of us selling must be around zero.

Pearcey wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:23 pm

The chances of us selling must be around zero.

Everyone has a price.
Young English winger who's a regular in the PL and with a long contract won't be cheap, but he will have a price.

This is Everton who paid silly money for several players in recent years.

There is nothing in football that is non negotiable.

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:40 am

And people on here slag him off!

Yes - an accomplished Irish International.

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:38 pm

Just read that United are thinking of offloading Phil Jones on a free transfer and former boss David Moyes is interested in taking him to West Ham on a "highly incentivised" contract. Newcastle are allegedly also interested. Phil is 29 and hasn't played any football for 18 months since he was injured. Some might say he didn't play much before his injury either.

The gossip today suggests that WHU will beat Burnley to Nat Phillips of Liverpool. If so, we would get Jones, probably...or the opposite could happen.
Or we could get both and Tarkowski to WHU! Who knows!

Phil Bardsley to West Ham???
Bought so Moyes can be understood?

https://www.hammers.news/transfer-news/ ... ey-report/

Benson is 21 and not the long term solution, average at best in my opinion. Hence why he's off for a meagre 1m.

1914tyrone wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:47 pm

Benson is 21 and not the long term solution, average at best in my opinion. Hence why he's off for a meagre 1m.

You say meagre, but a million is a good chunk back into the pot for the academy. If, and it’s a big expectation, we can get the academy to be self funded, that’d be a great start.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:41 pm

You say meagre, but a million is a good chunk back into the pot for the academy. If, and it’s a big expectation, we can get the academy to be self funded, that’d be a great start.

Agree entirely. We should be looking at regularly producing players in demand from Championship clubs to help fund it.

On Benson, I thought he was worth keeping for £1m but he was poor against Oldham (think it was him?). One pre-season game isn’t a fair assessment but equally you have to take your chances and shine when the opportunities come your way, so fair enough if we look to sell and move on. Does make us light on numbers in CM though

"I’ve gone a step further and taken Skybet up in their kind offer of us going down.

I think this season is a season too far."

Is that a wind-up?

DCWat wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:41 pm

You say meagre, but a million is a good chunk back into the pot for the academy. If, and it’s a big expectation, we can get the academy to be self funded, that’d be a great start.

Plus the money we’ll get for Dunnne. As you say be great if can get the academy self funded.

ecc wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:58 pm

"I’ve gone a step further and taken Skybet up in their kind offer of us going down.

I think this season is a season too far."

Is that a wind-up?

No not at all, I genuinely think we will be very close to the edge and will tip over this year. I hope Dyche can work another miracle, but I don’t think he will.

I personally think Dyche will be in another job by Christmas.

Sad thoughts, but my realistic opinion.

1914tyrone wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:47 pm

Benson is 21 and not the long term solution, average at best in my opinion. Hence why he's off for a meagre 1m.

1,000,000 total with add ons if achieved. The upfront fee will be at most half of that and more likely a third of it.

Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:24 pm

I would have keep him as well. £1m including potential add ons is not a huge amount.

He isn't ready for the Premiership, but I feel that he could do a job for a Championship club.

The problem is that a lot of people on here seem to have tunnel vision. They believe that what we need this season is what we will need next season. Benson still has a long contract with us so the need to move him on isn't urgent.

We should be planning with one eye on staying in the PL and one eye and what we would do if we got relegated. Should the worst happen this season then a player like Benson could be very handy for us in the Championship, especially if we lose or sell players as many clubs do when they drop.

Wave goodbye to him now for a relatively small fee and we might struggle to find a replacement at a similar price should we get relegated. Keeping him on the books and sending him on loan to a club in the Championship for the coming season makes a lot more sense to me. If we get relegated he is still with us and if he has a good season on loan his value will rise by quite a bit.

If the argument is about coaching technical ability then we should have sold Mumbongo instead of loaning him out.

Mumbongo has gone out on loan to shop window his talents and ensure we get the best return we can in the market.

Leicester at Pennyhill Park this evening. Albrighton looking relaxed before his game tonight.