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Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:00 am**

Anyone know what happened to our links with Jason Knight? It's gone very cold. Maybe his agent was the one that sent Pace off the deep...?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:50 am**

WiscoClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:00 am
Anyone know what happened to our links with Jason Knight? It's gone very cold. Maybe his agent was the one that sent Pace off the deep...?

Not sure how true the rumour is but was told the club pulled out of signing him due to him not making Lurker's weird amazon wish list

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:41 am**

WiscoClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:00 am
Anyone know what happened to our links with Jason Knight? It's gone very cold. Maybe his agent was the one that sent Pace off the deep...?

I wondered this. I watched him play a few times for Derby after the links and he was completely anonymous. Ran around a lot, that’s all I could say about him. Certainly didn’t look like a player ready to make an impact on our team - one for the future.

What was interesting is that the media suggested a lot of clubs are interested in him, yet none seemed to bid in January or so far. With Derby’s financial woes you’d expect him to be cheap enough for a prem club to buy quite easily if they wanted him.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:16 am**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:41 am
I wondered this. I watched him play a few times for Derby after the links and he was completely anonymous. Ran around a lot, that’s all I could say about him. Certainly didn’t look like a player ready to make an impact on our team - one for the future.

What was interesting is that the media suggested a lot of clubs are interested in him, yet none seemed to bid in January or so far. With Derby’s financial woes you’d expect him to be cheap enough for a prem club to buy quite easily if they wanted him.

I still think there is a good player there. Just in a shocking team that looks destined for relegation this season.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:00 am**

Very sceptical of any link that includes us and Watford!
Look like just agents trying to get better deal for player.
The Young rumour looks just like that. Suits us and him .Shows we are active and let’s other think they have competition. We probably had no serious intent

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:18 pm**

Spike wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:00 am
Very sceptical of any link that includes us and Watford!
Look like just agents trying to get better deal for player.
The Young rumour looks just like that. Suits us and him .Shows we are active and let’s other think they have competition. We probably had no serious intent

We had very serious intent re Young

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:31 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:18 pm
We had very serious intent re Young

All over now Tony?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:08 pm**

Not a bad position to be in if you are Ashley Young, likely to play less games and be paid more.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:19 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:18 pm
We had very serious intent re Young

Obviously not serious enough!

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:22 pm**

joey13 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:19 pm
Obviously not serious enough!

Very serious but not much you can do when a club with whom he has an emotional attachment comes in.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:22 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:31 pm
All over now Tony?

Looking so given today’s reports

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:24 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:46 pm
They’ve spent big have Brighton and they are doing their best to hang on to players. They’ve turned down a £40m offer today from Arsenal for Ben White.

in the last 5 years, Brighton have the 11th highest net spend in the whole of Europe. Only Arsenal, Chelsea, AC Milan, Aston Villa, Everton, Inter, PSG, Barcelona, Man United and Man City have spent more than them.

They've spent approximately 90 million more than Bayern Munich, 130 million more than Liverpool and 170 million more than Real Madrid

Article here: https://www.90min.com/posts/european-cl ... -barcelona

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:49 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:22 pm
Very serious but not much you can do when a club with whom he has an emotional attachment comes in.

Is it not down to finances? Have they offered a big package

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:12 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:49 pm
Is it not down to finances? Have they offered a big package

Spendmore Villa have probably blown us out of the water

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:15 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:12 pm
Spendmore Villa have probably blown us out of the water

That’s what I would assume.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:27 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:49 pm
Is it not down to finances? Have they offered a big package

We can arguably only realistically beat Norwich and Brentford in terms of package to players.

We rely on no other teams in the premier league actually wanting them.
Hopefully in time that will change, with the more established we become, or the more income we generate on top of the TV money.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:53 pm**

Not too concerned we've missed out on Young. Last thing our squad needs is yet another ageing player, who turns 36 in a few weeks.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:54 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:24 pm
in the last 5 years, Brighton have the 11th highest net spend in the whole of Europe. Only Arsenal, Chelsea, AC Milan, Aston Villa, Everton, Inter, PSG, Barcelona, Man United and Man City have spent more than them.

They've spent approximately 90 million more than Bayern Munich, 130 million more than Liverpool and 170 million more than Real Madrid

Article here: https://www.90min.com/posts/european-cl ... -barcelona

Love the dig at City and Peps obsession with buying fullbacks

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:12 pm**

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:53 pm
Not too concerned we've missed out on Young. Last thing our squad needs is yet another ageing player, who turns 36 in a few weeks.

It’s 1 of them it could have gone either way, it’s easy to see reasons for & against.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:09 pm**

Young having medical at Villa according to Sky

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:17 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:09 pm
Young having medical at Villa according to Sky

Ah well...

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:18 pm**

Not sure on the substance of the Young transfer story but having more teams like Aston Villa and Leeds splashing cash about just makes it so much worse for us.

Anyone we're linked with they can just usurp our offer and unlike the big cash cows they'll be in for similar players as we will.

I hope it backfires and these clubs get relegated. As if it isn't enough already the money the top six pump imo their teams to give them an unfair advantage over us but now it's also rich owned promoted teams.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:51 pm**

If Happy Jack leaves Villa imo they will struggle to finish higher than 16th
He is vital to the way they play and a 36 hour old isnt going to be capable of replacing Villas star
I am happy he chose Villa we didnt need another mercenary, only players wanting to play for us., I am of the opinion that Young and his agent used our reported interest to get more money out of the move
Fair play to him but after all that's the agents job

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:53 pm**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:51 pm
If Happy Jack leaves Villa imo they will struggle to finish higher than 16th
He is vital to the way they play and a 36 hour old isnt going to be capable of replacing Villas star
I am happy he chose Villa we didnt need another mercenary, only players wanting to play for us., I am of the opinion that Young and his agent used our reported interest to get more money out of the move
Fair play to him but after all that's the agents job

How is Young a mercenary ?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:00 pm**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:51 pm
If Happy Jack leaves Villa imo they will struggle to finish higher than 16th
He is vital to the way they play and a 36 hour old isnt going to be capable of replacing Villas star
I am happy he chose Villa we didnt need another mercenary, only players wanting to play for us., I am of the opinion that Young and his agent used our reported interest to get more money out of the move
Fair play to him but after all that's the agents job

Hi Woodley, I agree, 36 hours is not a long time to learn to do much, certainly nowhere long enough to learn to play football at any level, never mind at Premier League level.

Thanks, it's given me a smile this afternoon.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:01 pm**

Reminds me of Paul Merson's '35 year old free-kick'! lol

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:04 pm**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:53 pm
How is Young a mercenary ?

I was wondering that

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:31 pm**

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:18 pm
Not sure on the substance of the Young transfer story but having more teams like Aston Villa and Leeds splashing cash about just makes it so much worse for us.

Anyone we're linked with they can just usurp our offer and unlike the big cash cows they'll be in for similar players as we will.

I hope it backfires and these clubs get relegated. As if it isn't enough already the money the top six pump imo their teams to give them an unfair advantage over us but now it's also rich owned promoted teams.

We do it a different way, which is itself something to be proud of. There’s no point concerning ourselves with teams that are willing to spend because they’re backed by wealthy owners, prepared to operate at a loss or one of the ‘big boys’.

Not having swathes of cash to throw at players makes our achievements all the more special. Let’s not kid ourselves though, if we got ourselves some wealthy backers (who knows what Pace’s exit strategy is) there’d be plenty all too happy to see us spending just as easily as everyone else.

Losing out on Young may be financial. It may equally Kay be the pull of resigning for Villa. He’d have been a good signing, in my eyes, but it’s not to be.

We just have to work cleverer - it doesn’t mean we can’t compete at this level, we’ve shown that we can.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:45 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:31 pm
We do it a different way, which is itself something to be proud of. There’s no point concerning ourselves with teams that are willing to spend because they’re backed by wealthy owners, prepared to operate at a loss or one of the ‘big boys’.

Not having swathes of cash to throw at players makes our achievements all the more special. Let’s not kid ourselves though, if we got ourselves some wealthy backers (who knows what Pace’s exit strategy is) there’d be plenty all too happy to see us spending just as easily as everyone else.

Losing out on Young may be financial. It may equally Kay be the pull of resigning for Villa. He’d have been a good signing, in my eyes, but it’s not to be.

We just have to work cleverer - it doesn’t mean we can’t compete at this level, we’ve shown that we can.

I agree wholeheartedly but my point still stands. Its more difficult now than it used to be because we have the likes of Aston Villa and Leeds (and Wolves even) throwing money around now. Its just more teams we can't compete with for transfers. It doesn't really effect us if we sign different players, but if the story is true and Villa have poached the signing away from us, that's not good.

You just hope the club has some alternatives lined up so we have the squad depth at the start of the season.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:00 pm**

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:45 pm
I agree wholeheartedly but my point still stands. Its more difficult now than it used to be because we have the likes of Aston Villa and Leeds (and Wolves even) throwing money around now. Its just more teams we can't compete with for transfers. It doesn't really effect us if we sign different players, but if the story is true and Villa have poached the signing away from us, that's not good.

You just hope the club has some alternatives lined up so we have the squad depth at the start of the season.

The premier league is getting harder and harder each season. As you say, there are only really 4 other teams that we can remotely compete with. If the some of the sleeping giants get promoted it becomes even harder.

Makes the achievements great but makes competing long term incredibly difficult

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:08 pm**

Lucky escape for me with Young by the sounds of it

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:10 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:08 pm
Lucky escape with Young by the sounds of it

Dodged a bullet or maybe a missile, I’d say it’s sensible to at least wait & see how he gets on at Villa first.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:13 pm**

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:45 pm
I agree wholeheartedly but my point still stands. Its more difficult now than it used to be because we have the likes of Aston Villa and Leeds (and Wolves even) throwing money around now. Its just more teams we can't compete with for transfers. It doesn't really effect us if we sign different players, but if the story is true and Villa have poached the signing away from us, that's not good.

You just hope the club has some alternatives lined up so we have the squad depth at the start of the season.

It's the premier league, there will always be teams spending money on players.

And 5 years successive in the prem says we do it right, but here's a few self inflicted reasons why it's harder.

The takeover seems to have taken funds away.
By keeping the same players, they get pay rises. Even if it's well earned, the wage bill goes up with the quality of player staying the same.
30m to 100m is a big jump.

If we signed younger players, we might get the wage bill back down and have more for transfers?

Signing young players and selling on after 2 years for a big profit should be the aim. The owners more than the manager would fancy this option though.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:23 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:09 pm
Who would you go for within our realistic range?

I can’t really see many players in the championship improving us. Maybe a couple at Bournemouth and reading but not much else.

There will always be players in the Championship capable of improving PL sides, we cannot afford to sign 4 below average players like Lurker suggested, it will bite us on the arse further down the line. Brooks, Olise, Armstrong, Chair, Ayew are a few off the top of my head, Ayew is now a free transfer I think.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:27 pm**

Young officially signed for Villa, shame is that, would've been excellent here imo.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:37 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:27 pm
Young officially signed for Villa, shame is that, would've been excellent here imo.

I agree. And I’d have certainly taken him given his versatility and our lack of squad depth.

That said, not if the plan was for him to be a first choice winger & given his age may’ve turned out to be an expensive drain on scarce resources. We’ll only know when we see how he plays for Villa.

The positive to take from this is that we were in for him, and by all accounts was impressed/keen to join but Villa pipped us with a late bid. That’s positive both in that we are active, are looking at players of his calibre and clearly have an positive story to tell.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:41 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:08 pm
Lucky escape for me with Young by the sounds of it

Anything but for me. I think he could have proved to be a very astute signings.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:42 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:10 pm
Dodged a bullet or maybe a missile, I’d say it’s sensible to at least wait & see how he gets on at Villa first.
(quote)

You won’t see him featuring at Villa much unless Grealish goes off and they need someone else on the field to dive for free kicks and penalties

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:43 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:37 pm
I agree. And I’d have certainly taken him given his versatility and our lack of squad depth.

That said, not if the plan was for him to be a first choice winger & given his age may’ve turned out to be an expensive drain on scarce resources. We’ll only know when we see how he plays for Villa.

The positive to take from this is that we were in for him, and by all accounts was impressed/keen to join but Villa pipped us with a late bid. That’s positive both in that we are active, are looking at players of his calibre and clearly have an positive story to tell.

We can look all we want but 99% of the time players of his calibre are well out of our reach the only reason this was a runner was because of the age & the risk attached with that.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:45 pm**

Young would have been good but a lack of pace and risk of age-induced injury relax me somewhat.

p.s. let’s not forget that Young apparently turned down Inter amd his old club Watford for us, until Villa came in. So I’m not going to get too despondent about how competitive we are.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:50 pm**

One year deal, money wise probably worth our two

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:58 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:37 pm
I agree. And I’d have certainly taken him given his versatility and our lack of squad depth.

That said, not if the plan was for him to be a first choice winger & given his age may’ve turned out to be an expensive drain on scarce resources. We’ll only know when we see how he plays for Villa.

The positive to take from this is that we were in for him, and by all accounts was impressed/keen to join but Villa pipped us with a late bid. That’s positive both in that we are active, are looking at players of his calibre and clearly have an positive story to tell.

Agree entirely, and I take the positive of course, but the negative (and i'm afraid there is one) is that this can happen with every single player we talk to. There is always someone ready to nip in, offer more and seal the deal leaving us dead in the water. We will probably never be the preferred option for PL quality players to come to.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:01 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:23 pm
There will always be players in the Championship capable of improving PL sides, we cannot afford to sign 4 below average players like Lurker suggested, it will bite us on the arse further down the line. Brooks, Olise, Armstrong, Chair, Ayew are a few off the top of my head, Ayew is now a free transfer I think.

Yes but 4 of them 5 players are not in a our price range. I mentioned it on another thread we used to be able to sign the top championship talent for 15m. You will be lucky to get Olise or Armstrong for less that 25m now

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:06 pm**

With Villa adding again to their squad with the supposed Ashley Young signing it must mean that one of their players moves down the pecking order. They might become a club to approach for some of their fringe players, maybe a loan and guarantee that they will get game time

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:09 pm**

Leicester with another fantastic signing

Patson Daka looks a real talent

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:10 pm**

Young would have been yet another short term fix. We need to start thinking a bit longer term and freshening the squad up with some younger legs.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:11 pm**

bobinho wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:58 pm
Agree entirely, and I take the positive of course, but the negative (and i'm afraid there is one) is that this can happen with every single player we talk to. There is always someone ready to nip in, offer more and seal the deal leaving us dead in the water. We will probably never be the preferred option for PL quality players to come to.

Agreed, but we know that. It’s always been the case and probably always will. My perspective is that in previous seasons we mightn’t even tried (hence the positive).

We must keep trying, however frustrating the disappointment might be, if we want to move forward.

I agree there’ll always be a bigger team lurking to pick these off so hopefully we can get the quality we need this summer and maybe next, then deploy a different strategy of identifying younger talent before other Prem clubs get interested. It’s the only way forward for us, but unfortunately the under investment in previous summers has left us in a precarious position this year.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:16 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:09 pm
Leicester with another fantastic signing

Patson Daka looks a real talent

He’s signed for Leicester??

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:18 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:16 pm
He’s signed for Leicester??

Looking like it yes. According to Fabrizio deal agreed and set to be announced early next week.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:21 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:18 pm
Looking like it yes. According to Fabrizio deal agreed and set to be announced early next week.

Oh, missed that. Bloody hell, very good signing then. Think he’ll do the business for them - a younger, quicker Vardy.

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