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Could Dyche

Post by Steve1956 » Wed May 12, 2021 11:20 am

Leave Burnley and replicate his success with someone else,I was reading another thread about Vydra finally coming to terms with the "Burnley way",did Eddie Howe leave behind players for Dyche to carry on the Burnley way,or has Dyche invented the Burnley way,what is the Burnley way?...

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Siddo » Wed May 12, 2021 11:23 am

Hasn't this question been asked on many occasions on here?

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 12, 2021 11:25 am

Mr D instilled his way of gaining points, when the 11 players are not necessarily better than the opposition.

That involves much effort and commitment to covering angles and pitch space.

Vydra has probably not had to do that much, off the ball, work previously.

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Steve1956 » Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am

Siddo wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:23 am
Hasn't this question been asked on many occasions on here?
Sorry I hadn't seen one...please delete mods :roll:

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed May 12, 2021 11:32 am

Yes he could, providing he gets to choose his transfer targets.

If someone else did that and he was basically a head coach then I think there could be an issue.

Could he go elsewhere and evolve his style?
Yes, but see my first point about choosing who to sign.

I genuinely think he'd struggle with the continental style of football management.

A clubs 'way' is decided by the manager.

West Ham have a way apparently and it involves not winning trophies, same at Spurs and its tedious listening to people bang on about a clubs "way"
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 12, 2021 11:32 am

The proof is in the pudding, unfair to judge him on the Watford job so the question remains, I think it would require alot of patience from the fans if Dyche took over their club, his first 6 months was worse than Cotterill.

The one game that sticks in my head is the midweek home game against Hull, I have never been as bored watching a game of football and I think the fans had lost patience, I remember the Turf was empty, our PL cling ons had dropped off.

Of course the rest is history, he was making us hard to beat and putting in place a system, it was mind numbing but evolved.
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed May 12, 2021 11:34 am

It's only become the Burnley way since Dyche has been here so long.

Every manager does it different.

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Rowls » Wed May 12, 2021 11:35 am

The only one of Howe's players in our current squad is Ben Mee.

I'm sure Sean Dyche would realise the need to replace Ben Mee if/when he leaves or needs replacing.

Honestly, it's 7 years+ since Howe left and although Dyche inherited a capable (but paper thin) squad to keep attributing his success to Howe is increasingly tenuous. What Howe left behind was like a full emmanthal cheese. Very nice, but full of holes.

Even in that first full season it was the gaps that Dyche plugged that helped make the difference. Arfield, Jones & Heaton were all integral. As was Barnes when he came along. Having a close-knit full team without any weak links was the difference between Dyche's consistent Burnley and Howe's some-you-win-some-you-lose assortment.

Dyche has recently revealed that only finance prevented us from signing Tarkowski 2-3 seasons earlier too. The idea that he "got lucky" because somebody else assembled his players is increasingly wearisome.

And it wasn't just the players Dyche brought in that changed. The transformation of our defence was as spectacular as it was almost instantenous. We went from having the worst defence in the league under Howe to having one of the tightest. Dyche & his staff achieved this without a change of personnel in the back four.

Howe's achievements (and failures) at Burnley fade further and further into shadows of the past. There's barely even a thread of cotton to connect them to Dyche's most recent multiple successes.

It's a valid talking point, and one we've had every year since we appointed Dyche, but every year it becomes a little sillier.
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Herts Clarets » Wed May 12, 2021 11:44 am

I really cannot see any other club giving Sean the level of control and influence that he appears to have at Burnley. He has transformed our club both on the pitch and off it - we are about to enter our 7th Premier League season under his leadership with a Cat 1 academy. Listen to Neville and Carragher (as difficult i find it listening to his high pitched Scouse whining) on Monday and they recognise just how important he is to our club. GN suggesting there is an argument for him to win Manager of the Year every season for what he achieves on a limited budget. JC stated that if Sean were to leave it is probable we would be relegated because he can't see any other Manager keeping us in the Premier League with our budget.

I would hope that over the Summer an announcement is made that an extended contract has been offered and he has signed it. You cannot underestimate how important he and his team are to the continued success of our club.
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 12, 2021 11:47 am

Rowls wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:35 am

The idea that he "got lucky" because somebody else assembled his players is increasingly wearisome.

And it wasn't just the players Dyche brought in that changed. The transformation of our defence was as spectacular as it was almost instantenous. We went from having the worst defence in the league under Howe to having one of the tightest. Dyche & his staff achieved this without a change of personnel in the back four.

As mentioned above, we became tight defensively and had no idea how to attack. We went from scoring regularly to specialists in losing 0-1. Austin went from lethal to blunt.

It was all a process, Dyche would've been successful here without Howe, the Howe recruitment was outrageously good though.

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Stayingup » Wed May 12, 2021 11:56 am

He's clever and he would learn in time how to handle most situations. The one that puzzled me and it has been discussed on here but I can't recall the views on it is this: We can handle most teams it seems but not Manchester City. In fact I in a away I dreaded going to to the Etihad.

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by AfloatinClaret » Wed May 12, 2021 12:28 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:56 am
He's clever and he would learn in time how to handle most situations. The one that puzzled me and it has been discussed on here but I can't recall the views on it is this: We can handle most teams it seems but not Manchester City. In fact I in a away I dreaded going to to the Etihad.
The list of those teams that can consistently 'handle' City, particularly at the Etihad isn't particularly long though.

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Holmeclaret » Wed May 12, 2021 12:42 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:32 am

West Ham have a way apparently and it involves not winning trophies
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Stayingup » Wed May 12, 2021 3:57 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 12:28 pm
The list of those teams that can consistently 'handle' City, particularly at the Etihad isn't particularly long though.
Maybe but I was referring to how we can handle practically all the other teams - I dont mean beat them all - but hold them to less than 5!!!

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by DCWat » Wed May 12, 2021 4:04 pm

You only need to see the training ground to see the imprint that Dyche has had on the club.

Whilst I love the hard work, core values (legs, hearts, minds) and all that, I sort of don’t want Burnley to be just thought of as that.

We love some pace, skill and trickery just as much as any other club out there!!

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Elizabeth » Wed May 12, 2021 6:37 pm

At another club I think Dyche could replicate his Burnley way, a new Burnley way. I think though a lot would depend on the egos and fan base.
The first major thing he said on his arrival was that he got the mentality of Burnley folk. The second important thing he did was get success in his first full season. The third important thing he achieved was establish a style, reinforced by good habits tactically, scientifically and psychologically. You could put them in any order.
Dyche backed all of this up by providing support systems not least his own loyalty to his players and staff.
These are no mean achievements and I think it gives him a uniqueness. No PL team plays like Dyche's team and sets his teams apart from the others. He doesn't care about what other teams are doing and plays to players strengths.
No passing the ball about at the back
Speaking out about diving ruining the game
Frowning on red cards for nothing
Single mindedly focuses on exploiting space in the opponents half and working on a high conversion rate.

From what I see and hear, Dyche is loved by Burnley fans in a way no other Burnley manager has been, and when you think of Potts, Mullen, Miller and Ternent, that says so much about his Burnley way.
His humour and dealings with the media can only be equalled by Ternent in my opinion. Which other manager could get our fans mocking the anti football jibes that have come our way.
Dyche has always said he could go to another club and play a different way if the skills set allowed it. I'm sure he could, whether he could repeat all of the great things he has brought to our club would remain the big challenge for him but one I think he's up to.
Our manager.
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed May 12, 2021 6:48 pm

That is a cracking post. Good job.
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Elizabeth » Wed May 12, 2021 6:59 pm

Cheers eddie , when you take Dyche as a whole it’s incredible we have him as our manager

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed May 12, 2021 7:27 pm

Absolutely. I don't rate his so-called weaknesses as weaknesses to be honest. With the sometimes threadbare resources he's has on offer, not everything he tries at this level will come off but if anybody can continue to move our great club on, he can.
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by DCWat » Wed May 12, 2021 7:46 pm

I’ve said it a few times, and you never know, the opportunity may be presenting itself a little more with us. I’d love to see what he can do with a bit of brass to spend.

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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Elizabeth » Wed May 12, 2021 7:52 pm

Yes indeed , and we want him at our club and the rest can wait in vain. Maybe another question to ask is ‘ Do you think Sean Dyche could emulate at Burnley what Ferguson did in longevity at Utd?
By the way I really respect Dyche for what he’s trying to do with the young players at the club. If this takeover is to work producing one or two other McNeil’s would be wonderful
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Re: Could Dyche

Post by Siddo » Wed May 12, 2021 10:55 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am
Sorry I hadn't seen one...please delete mods :roll:
Really sorry mate. I meant to post this on a different thread. Have no idea how this happened.
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