Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:05 pm
Last season, for me, it was Pope’s penalty save v Leicester.
What was it this season?
What was it this season?
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Turning point this season?
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Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:07 pm
Ben Mee
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:10 pm
This....along with the closure of the transfer window. Everyone just had to concentrate on the job in hand.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:13 pm
Tarkowski’s toe healing!
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:43 pm
Tarks missed the first two matches which we lost, conceding 5 goals and scoring 2. He has played in all our other games, however, it was when Ben Mee came back into the reckoning that we started to pick up.
His first game was away at Brighton in the 7th game of the season and we had just 1 point from 6 matches. He has missed just one game since, against Fulham at home which we drew. In the 7 games in which he has been absent we have won o drawn 2 and lost 5 scored 4 conceded 13.
He has played in 28 games winning 10 drawing 7 and losing 11 scoring 29 conceding 34 ---I think that those figures speak fro themselves and I am definitely with Vegas in this. Ten of our 11 clean sheets have been achieved with Ben in the team.
His first game was away at Brighton in the 7th game of the season and we had just 1 point from 6 matches. He has missed just one game since, against Fulham at home which we drew. In the 7 games in which he has been absent we have won o drawn 2 and lost 5 scored 4 conceded 13.
He has played in 28 games winning 10 drawing 7 and losing 11 scoring 29 conceding 34 ---I think that those figures speak fro themselves and I am definitely with Vegas in this. Ten of our 11 clean sheets have been achieved with Ben in the team.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:56 pm
Chris Wood outmuscling Tyrone Mings to win us a corner v Villa. Changed the flow of the game.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:57 pm
Villa at home.
Ben coming back steadied the ship, but that comeback against Villa really set us up for the rest of the season.
It's easy to forget in time, the 13 games in 39 days, but the weary legs at the end of that spell definitely cost us points, and if we had those lost points we could be top half of the table.
A phenomenal season considering 2pts from 21, and where we were at Christmas.
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Ben coming back steadied the ship, but that comeback against Villa really set us up for the rest of the season.
It's easy to forget in time, the 13 games in 39 days, but the weary legs at the end of that spell definitely cost us points, and if we had those lost points we could be top half of the table.
A phenomenal season considering 2pts from 21, and where we were at Christmas.
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Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 5:11 pm
Two huge turning points for me. 1. Mee returning after the first 6 games
2. Vydra forcing his way into the team because basically SD had no choice.
2. Vydra forcing his way into the team because basically SD had no choice.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 5:19 pm
Def Mee and Vydra. Perhaps not a turning point as such, but both full backs attacking prowess has been superb at times.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 5:24 pm
All of the above are fair shouts
And Shaka's comic assist which resulted in Woody rediscovering where the back of the net was in a game where Arsenal should have been out-of-sight in the first half.
And Shaka's comic assist which resulted in Woody rediscovering where the back of the net was in a game where Arsenal should have been out-of-sight in the first half.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:19 pm
Hammering Palace away without Wood was a big confidence boost for the team , beating a full strength Villa from a losing position as well.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:20 pm
Tarky missed the first two in which we conceded 5 goals, 4 v Leicester & 1 v SouthamptonAshingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 4:43 pmTarks missed the first two matches which we lost, conceding 7 goals and scoring 2. He has played in all our other games, however, it was when Ben Mee came back into the reckoning that we started to pick up.
His first game was away at Brighton in the 7th game of the season and we had just 1 point from 6 matches. He has missed just one game since, against Fulham at home which we drew. In the 7 games in which he has been absent we have won o drawn 2 and lost 5 scored 4 conceded 13.
He has played in 28 games winning 10 drawing 7 and losing 11 scoring 29 conceding 34 ---I think that those figures speak fro themselves and I am definitely with Vegas in this. Ten of our 11 clean sheets have been achieved with Ben in the team.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:21 pm
Yet the points per game with Vydra is worse than the points per game without him.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:11 pmTwo huge turning points for me. 1. Mee returning after the first 6 games
2. Vydra forcing his way into the team because basically SD had no choice.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:34 pm
When we started to find the back of the net.
Up until the end of February only bottom club Sheffield Utd had scored fewer goals than us.
Since the beginning of March we have scored in every game (9 fixtures) albeit that we have not always won the game.
Up until the end of February only bottom club Sheffield Utd had scored fewer goals than us.
Since the beginning of March we have scored in every game (9 fixtures) albeit that we have not always won the game.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:53 pm
When we found that Josh Brownhill was better than Josh Benson.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:55 pm
Thanks Tony, I have edited this now.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:20 pmTarky missed the first two in which we conceded 5 goals, 4 v Leicester & 1 v Southampton
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:57 pm
The takeover probably, the Gaffer appeared to be back to his old self...and that always helps.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:14 pm
Ben Mee is the obvious one, but if we’re looking at a specific moment....
All three players involved heavily in both the incident and the proceeding winning moment....
All three players involved heavily in both the incident and the proceeding winning moment....
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Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:14 pm
Playing the bib collectors in the cup against Bournemouth. I dread to think what might have happened if he'd played a strong team.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:20 pm
Just out of interest Tony, has your calculation been done for games he made an appearance in?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:21 pmYet the points per game with Vydra is worse than the points per game without him.
If it has , is there any way you could do one for games he started to see if it makes any difference?
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:22 pm
That may be correct, but the entertainment value so much betterClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:21 pmYet the points per game with Vydra is worse than the points per game without him.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:48 pm
Some good shouts mentioned so far.
For me keeping Tarks when he was rumoured to want away, Ben returning definitely, Zaha being absent for Palace when they visited, and the game that signalled to me that we'd be fine was our dominant display at home to Wolves, that win dragged us clear of the relegation zone, and I'm pretty sure we've not been in the bottom 3 since.
If you're looking for a specific moment I'd pinpoint Origi hitting the crossbar for Liverpool when he should have scored, and if that had gone in we probably wouldn't have gone on to achieve a famous win at Anfield which propelled us well clear of Fulham, and we've not really looked back since.
For me keeping Tarks when he was rumoured to want away, Ben returning definitely, Zaha being absent for Palace when they visited, and the game that signalled to me that we'd be fine was our dominant display at home to Wolves, that win dragged us clear of the relegation zone, and I'm pretty sure we've not been in the bottom 3 since.
If you're looking for a specific moment I'd pinpoint Origi hitting the crossbar for Liverpool when he should have scored, and if that had gone in we probably wouldn't have gone on to achieve a famous win at Anfield which propelled us well clear of Fulham, and we've not really looked back since.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:55 pm
Second post nailed it.
2 points after 7 games. Those in the media who didn't know our injury situation had us chalked down for relegation.
We'd be comfortably mid table and closer to Europe than relegation if we'd not had those injuries in the opening games.
2 points after 7 games. Those in the media who didn't know our injury situation had us chalked down for relegation.
We'd be comfortably mid table and closer to Europe than relegation if we'd not had those injuries in the opening games.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 8:07 pm
I think that he has started 14 PL games this season and we have picked up 13 points in those games.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 8:13 pm
Games he’s started. 13 points from 14 when he’s started, 26 points from 21 when he hasn’t. It’s not meant as a criticism of him at all but to suggest bringing him in has been a turning point is just not right.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 8:33 pm
Nick Popes last minute save against Palace
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 8:41 pm
Of course and the breakdown shows the reality from a points perspective . It’s not the first time perception wields it’s powerful influence . Some might want a more comprehensive breakdown to accept he wasn’t a turning point but I’m satisfied .
I’d love him to be first choice for a full season and I’ve not always thought that
I’d love him to be first choice for a full season and I’ve not always thought that
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:20 pm
I would like to think there was a turning point but I’m struggling to find a significant one . The nearest I can get is beating Liverpool at Anfield and Wood returning from injury at just the right time.
Of course the importance of the defenders highlighted cannot be underestimated but turning points don’t usually come at such an early stage of the season
Of course the importance of the defenders highlighted cannot be underestimated but turning points don’t usually come at such an early stage of the season
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:44 pm
I#ll go for the away win at Arsenal, out of the relegation zone and a monkey off our back
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 10:07 pm
TBF as I recall it most of the pundits still said we'd survive with ease, and credit to them they were proved correct.
It's impossible to state with any certainty how many points we'd have garnered with a full strength side available for those particular games, but it's probable it would have been a lot more than 2.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 10:08 pm
Sometimes you get a turning point and sometimes you don’t. Nothing stands out to me this season.Elizabeth wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:20 pmI would like to think there was a turning point but I’m struggling to find a significant one . The nearest I can get is beating Liverpool at Anfield and Wood returning from injury at just the right time.
Of course the importance of the defenders highlighted cannot be underestimated but turning points don’t usually come at such an early stage of the season
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 10:19 pm
A turning point implies a change of direction or outcome. Don’t think there’s been one this season, it’s always looked like we’d be bottom half without going down.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 10:50 pm
As others have said there hasn't been a turning point as we have still put in very poor performances after putting in very good ones in.
The most inconsistent season I've ever seen of us I think.
The most inconsistent season I've ever seen of us I think.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 10:52 pm
Arsenal was certainly the result that gave me confidence that we’d stay up, and the result that I cheered the most, Liverpool a very close second.
Villa and Everton were my two favourite games. The Villa message board after our comeback was priceless.
Villa and Everton were my two favourite games. The Villa message board after our comeback was priceless.
Re: Turning point this season?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:56 am
You've burst my Vydra shaped bubble now!!ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:21 pmYet the points per game with Vydra is worse than the points per game without him.
