We’ve all got Wood

[superdimitri]

Keep your knickers on, nobody's turned it into a asterixing competition, whatever that is it's just a debate. Recent record is part of a season's work. As I said, no knee-jerk reactions, just an assessment of the season's work. He still had brilliant movement to create chances early in the season, he still worked hard, he still did plenty of elements of his job really well. Now he's doing all elements of his job really well.

I didn't hear any criticism from Dyche, have you got examples? I heard him give a pep talk about him playing hard, when he was at the top of the game, to ensure he wasn't going to rest on his laurels. I suspect with his brilliant man management, he knows how to get the best out of Chris wood.

My points don't contradict, if you think Chris Wood is a limited footballer, then your expectations are too high. The list of players scoring double figures in the last 4 seasons is

-Chris wood
-Harry kane
-Mohammed Salah
-Heung Min Son
-Alexandre Lacazette
-Jamie Vardy

You can't be in that group if you're limited.

As for Ings, he clearly was a very good player. In my opinion Wood has done better for Burnley than Ings did. He offers more in this Burnley team, than Ings did in the Burnley team he was in. That's just personal choice, I'm not going to argue with anybody who has a different view on that, as it's just opinion.

Hope this doesn't cause any further offence, or meltdown.

What you do you expect? You make a snarky comment based on him scoring in the opening game when you know clearly that he wasn't scoring anywhere near enough as he should have been early in the season. The time that he takes to score a goal in the first game does not mean he had a good start to the season...that is unless you consider the start of the season only 10 minutes. His record was pretty poor compared to previous years, and especially compared to the end of the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlrO-z5qxX0
Here's what I'm referring too. Dyche says he's spoken to him many times, that there's things he needs to do to improve and specifically mentions his hold up play. Yes that's right- can you believe that after scoring a hatrick, our manager is critical of him? - Perhaps that's good management after all. He knows he can improve, he knows he has limitations and he doesn't try to hide anything.

We've been blessed with some decent target men at Burnley at recent years, and compared to them Woods hold up play is poor. For a guy of his size and stature in a team that often plays long balls he should do better. Luckily he more than makes up for it with his goals. But its this what I'm talking about when I say we make the most of limited footballers.. Wood being no exception. Yes you make good points about his runs in to channels and he does get the odd flick on too (although not as many as you'd expect he would). His main boon is his ability to find the net, and the predatory instinct he has which is very much Charlie Austin/Andy Payton like.

The fact is, if he didn't have obvious limitations he wouldn't be playing for us. We have a manager who gets everything he can from our players, who sets the team up to benefit our strengths (and weaknesses) best he can. If it wasn't for that, Wood would not score the goals that he does. In this respect he is a limited footballer, and it is this that has stopped him from succeeding in the premier league before he signed for us.

My original point still stands, and I'm not entirely sure if its something we even disagree on. Wood's form earlier in the season was not up to standard and it was correct that questions were being asked. Its correct that he was getting criticism from fans. There's nothing wrong with some criticism, if he didn't get any from Dyche then I'm certain he wouldn't improve.

A knee jerk reaction would be to lambaste him after one or two poor games. But the reality was he was playing poorly and he was missing chances he normally would put away. I like Wood and its fantastic that he turned it around, but hindsight is a beautiful thing so I really question anyone if they state him getting up to speed again was a certainty.

[NewClaret]

Entering his peak, now really experienced in the Prem.

With a quality threat from the right and an injury free season, I could see him scoring 20 goals.

Wouldn’t shock me if he were one of those carrying something that they will now look at, given his issues earlier in the season.

[Father Jack]

Wood started with the no.11 shirt. But then Dwight took this.
Was 9 Vokes shirt originally?
Looking at the highlights not many featured Vokes in Woods first season(s) here. Am I right to think / remember that Vokes was the biggest casualty of Wood arriving and becoming our main man?

[dandeclaret]

What you do you expect? You make a snarky comment based on him scoring in the opening game when you know clearly that he wasn't scoring anywhere near enough as he should have been early in the season. The time that he takes to score a goal in the first game does not mean he had a good start to the season...that is unless you consider the start of the season only 10 minutes. His record was pretty poor compared to previous years, and especially compared to the end of the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlrO-z5qxX0
Here's what I'm referring too. Dyche says he's spoken to him many times, that there's things he needs to do to improve and specifically mentions his hold up play. Yes that's right- can you believe that after scoring a hatrick, our manager is critical of him? - Perhaps that's good management after all. He knows he can improve, he knows he has limitations and he doesn't try to hide anything.

We've been blessed with some decent target men at Burnley at recent years, and compared to them Woods hold up play is poor. For a guy of his size and stature in a team that often plays long balls he should do better. Luckily he more than makes up for it with his goals. But its this what I'm talking about when I say we make the most of limited footballers.. Wood being no exception. Yes you make good points about his runs in to channels and he does get the odd flick on too (although not as many as you'd expect he would). His main boon is his ability to find the net, and the predatory instinct he has which is very much Charlie Austin/Andy Payton like.

The fact is, if he didn't have obvious limitations he wouldn't be playing for us. We have a manager who gets everything he can from our players, who sets the team up to benefit our strengths (and weaknesses) best he can. If it wasn't for that, Wood would not score the goals that he does. In this respect he is a limited footballer, and it is this that has stopped him from succeeding in the premier league before he signed for us.

My original point still stands, and I'm not entirely sure if its something we even disagree on. Wood's form earlier in the season was not up to standard and it was correct that questions were being asked. Its correct that he was getting criticism from fans. There's nothing wrong with some criticism, if he didn't get any from Dyche then I'm certain he wouldn't improve.

A knee jerk reaction would be to lambaste him after one or two poor games. But the reality was he was playing poorly and he was missing chances he normally would put away. I like Wood and its fantastic that he turned it around, but hindsight is a beautiful thing so I really question anyone if they state him getting up to speed again was a certainty.

I didn’t mention him scoring after 10 minutes. Even here you’re damning him with faint praise... “wind’s the odd flick on” for example is hugely unfair.

Also I don’t hear criticism from Dyche there, I hear the club ethos of continue to improve, and it just looks like he knows how to keep getting a reaction from Chris Wood. He rarely talks positively about individual performances when players have had brilliant games.

As I said, no hindsight from me, I saw that he was doing plenty right, just missed a few chances, which all strikers do. Which target man held the ball up better in the Premier league? Whilst also having a bit of pace, outstanding movement and goal scoring? It’s not about a single attribute, it’s about the package.

[bobinho]

Mate of mine (Man U fan) said today "how is that Wood bloke not playing for a better team?"

Because quite frankly there aren’t many about. Sure there are teams with better players in them, but there aren’t many better teams. Nowt to say he’d be as effective anywhere else. We play to his strengths and he now looks all the better for it.

I get his point tho...

[bobinho]

And some still don’t think he’s our best striker and seem to think it’s all about Vydra.

I don’t think people are trying to claim it’s ALL about Vydra, I think they (we) are trying to get people to see that we “look” an awful lot better up top now with the extra pace and movement that BOTH forwards are showing. This is causing other teams problems as we aren’t giving them what they think we will (and have done) and also allows that high press to be more effective. We have started dragging opposition players out of shape too, something we haven’t done for quite some time.

It won’t take long for the “stats” to show that were are a bigger threat offensively for having these two up top. Well, that and ironing out the defensive errors that have been uncharacteristic. We have done brilliantly for a long time with the battering ram but our limit in the final third had finally been reached. I’m delighted we have made this change.... and this from a Barnes fan. We just need the other Barnes fans to get on board and accept this change as it seems some still don’t want to.

CW is undoubtedly our best striker though, and no mistake. He’d cost £40m to buy at the moment. Can’t wait for him to bag one or two today against Weeds.

[superdimitri]

I didn’t mention him scoring after 10 minutes. Even here you’re damning him with faint praise... “wind’s the odd flick on” for example is hugely unfair.

Also I don’t hear criticism from Dyche there, I hear the club ethos of continue to improve, and it just looks like he knows how to keep getting a reaction from Chris Wood. He rarely talks positively about individual performances when players have had brilliant games.

As I said, no hindsight from me, I saw that he was doing plenty right, just missed a few chances, which all strikers do. Which target man held the ball up better in the Premier league? Whilst also having a bit of pace, outstanding movement and goal scoring? It’s not about a single attribute, it’s about the package.

Did you listen to what Dyche said in the interview? If you didn't hear the part that I mentioned either you didn't listen, or you ignore what you don't like to hear. I won't waste my time to mention it again because its clear as day, and only a few seconds in.

Luckily for us Dyche understands our players strengths and weaknesses and doesn't compare players like Wood to the best in the league. If he did this like you do, we would surely have been relegated long ago.

You can't keep claiming there's no hindsight. If you'd have said the same thing before he's recent run in form you would have been laughed at.

As I said before, I like Wood and I'm glad he's turned things around, but I'm a realist and I'm not stuck in clarets cloud 9 thinking he can do no wrong. Yes he should be winning more flick-ons, yes he should hold up the ball better. Stats only highlight this, for a big man scoring just two headers a season (just as many as Ben Mee) isn't great. Neither is losing the most Aerial Duels.
You can check stats here:
https://www.kickest.it/en/premier-leagu ... /2020-2021

But he's a limited footballer at this level and most of our players are limited. He's not the fastest nor the best in the air. He hasn't got the best movement but what he does have is a good eye for goal, which suits us. We take players who have limitations and place them in a strict and rigid system where they can play well. Wood's no different here.

I still don't get how you can say he's not a limited footballer, yet at the same time state people are expecting too much. - Which one is it?
You've gone comparing Wood to the best in the league, yet lambasted others for knee jerk reactions from expecting too much?

[Pickles]

Obviously hope he's a Burnley player for a while longer yet but I'm a little surprised he's never been linked with a move away. I could see him at Man United or Spurs - similarly to how they had Ighalo and Llorente recently, except Wood has potential to improve unlike those two when they moved to United and Spurs. Think Wood still has another level to go to possibly.

[Tall Paul]

You can't keep claiming there's no hindsight. If you'd have said the same thing before he's recent run in form you would have been laughed at.

Some of us were saying it before this run and even put money on it. Its a shame that some of that money was put on with a scumbag.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Keep your knickers on, nobody's turned it into a asterixing competition, whatever that is it's just a debate. Recent record is part of a season's work. As I said, no knee-jerk reactions, just an assessment of the season's work. He still had brilliant movement to create chances early in the season, he still worked hard, he still did plenty of elements of his job really well. Now he's doing all elements of his job really well.

I didn't hear any criticism from Dyche, have you got examples? I heard him give a pep talk about him playing hard, when he was at the top of the game, to ensure he wasn't going to rest on his laurels. I suspect with his brilliant man management, he knows how to get the best out of Chris wood.

My points don't contradict, if you think Chris Wood is a limited footballer, then your expectations are too high. The list of players scoring double figures in the last 4 seasons is

-Chris wood
-Harry kane
-Mohammed Salah
-Heung Min Son
-Alexandre Lacazette
-Jamie Vardy

You can't be in that group if you're limited.

As for Ings, he clearly was a very good player. In my opinion Wood has done better for Burnley than Ings did. He offers more in this Burnley team, than Ings did in the Burnley team he was in. That's just personal choice, I'm not going to argue with anybody who has a different view on that, as it's just opinion.

Hope this doesn't cause any further offence, or meltdown.

Wasting your time Dan, dimitri has a long history of whinging about most things to do with the club and players and doesn't like this pointing out. He will get very defensive and his replies are showing. Those who do nothing but criticise can't cope with being criticised and he is at the top section of that category.

[Down_Rover]

Did you listen to what Dyche said in the interview? If you didn't hear the part that I mentioned either you didn't listen, or you ignore what you don't like to hear. I won't waste my time to mention it again because its clear as day, and only a few seconds in.

Luckily for us Dyche understands our players strengths and weaknesses and doesn't compare players like Wood to the best in the league. If he did this like you do, we would surely have been relegated long ago.

You can't keep claiming there's no hindsight. If you'd have said the same thing before he's recent run in form you would have been laughed at.

As I said before, I like Wood and I'm glad he's turned things around, but I'm a realist and I'm not stuck in clarets cloud 9 thinking he can do no wrong. Yes he should be winning more flick-ons, yes he should hold up the ball better. Stats only highlight this, for a big man scoring just two headers a season (just as many as Ben Mee) isn't great. Neither is losing the most Aerial Duels.
You can check stats here:
https://www.kickest.it/en/premier-leagu ... /2020-2021

But he's a limited footballer at this level and most of our players are limited. He's not the fastest nor the best in the air. He hasn't got the best movement but what he does have is a good eye for goal, which suits us. We take players who have limitations and place them in a strict and rigid system where they can play well. Wood's no different here.

I still don't get how you can say he's not a limited footballer, yet at the same time state people are expecting too much. - Which one is it?
You've gone comparing Wood to the best in the league, yet lambasted others for knee jerk reactions from expecting too much?

Vardy has hardly scored a goal in recent times, does that make him a poor player

Wood has played consistently well and scored consistently for 4 years. We have not had a striker in the Top flight who has scored regularly over so long sine the sixties

And you knock him for half a bad season when the whole team was underperforming?

3.5/ 4 is damn good, even Kane Vardy etc have droughts

[ClaretLoup]

But he's a limited footballer at this level and most of our players are limited.

That Maradona bloke, he was limited, his right foot was for standing on. Not too good in the air either, he needed the Hand of God to help him.

[JohnDearyMe]

Great viewing. I never get tired of watching that superbly worked equaliser against Spurs at Wembley.

The reaction in the away was euphoric

[jrgbfc]

A bit worried someone like West Ham may come sniffing around this summer.

[Bin Ont Turf]

A bit worried someone like West Ham may come sniffing around this summer.

How much is a bit?

Are you off your food? Is your hair falling out?

We can't help you without proper diagnosis.

[superdimitri]

And you knock him for half a bad season when the whole team was underperforming?

There's no knocking. Just constructive criticism also shared by our manager. He has his flaws and limitations like all our players.
But I'm sure you'd say the same to Dyche after he noted he needs to 'work on his hold up play'?

No, I guessed not.

[superdimitri]

Thought Wood had a good game up top on his own today, just a shame he didn't bury that one chance.
I noticed his hold up play and heading was a lot better. Keep it up Woody!

[Vegas Claret]

I might be imagining this but since Vydra has come into the team I don't think Wood has been as offside as much

[superdimitri]

I might be imagining this but since Vydra has come into the team I don't think Wood has been as offside as much

Definitely not, someone also mentioned it in the other thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54545&p=1550338&hil ... e#p1550338