We now know 19 of the clubs who will be playing in the Premier League in 2021/22 season - my list has been updated and will be again once the play-off winners are known.

Below is the number of seasons per club in the Premier League up to and including next season.


Arsenal - 30
Chelsea - 30
Everton - 30
Liverpool - 30
Manchester United - 30
Tottenham - 30
Aston Villa - 27
Newcastle - 27
West Ham - 26
Manchester City - 25
Southampton - 23
Blackburn - 18
Leicester - 16
Sunderland - 16
Fulham - 15
Middlesbrough - 15
Leeds - 14
Bolton - 13
Crystal Palace - 13
West Brom - 13
Norwich - 10
Stoke - 10
Coventry - 9
Burnley - 8
Charlton - 8
Sheffield Wednesday - 8
Watford - 8
Wigan - 8
Wimbledon - 8
Wolves - 8
Birmingham - 7
Derby - 7
Portsmouth - 7
QPR - 7
Swansea - 7
Bournemouth - 5
Brighton - 5
Hull - 5
Ipswich - 5
Nottingham Forest - 5
Sheffield United - 5
Reading - 3
Bradford City - 2
Cardiff - 2
Huddersfield - 2
Oldham - 2
Barnsley - 1
Blackpool - 1
Swindon - 1

Wow surprised Wolves have the same total as us,some big names behind us...looks good that table.

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Thu May 13, 2021 12:26 pm

Wow surprised Wolves have the same total as us,some big names behind us...looks good that table.

Wolves went up once in 2003 then with us in 2008 and stayed three years. Next season will be their fourth since the last promotion.

Please delete Blackburn

I was really surprised to see only 3 clubs have had a one season wonder. I "felt" it was more tbh. And West Ham are only 4 off a full house surprised me too.

Man City are only 4th on that list, I'll bet that will be a surprise to any younger fans, and I note we've now overtaken the mighty Derby, and many of those on that list won't be adding to their totals anytime soon, so we could well find ourselves slowly climbing up that table in the coming years.

Just shows which clubs are actually established compared to those who claimed they were before they dropped out.

Enjoy our time in the sun, that table shows it won't last forever

Sorry Tony, I think you might have missed one?
PNE??




Wait a moment! Oh yeah

Hoping it will become Barnsley - 2 in the next few weeks.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu May 13, 2021 5:40 pm

Man City are only 4th on that list, I'll bet that will be a surprise to any younger fans, and I note we've now overtaken the mighty Derby, and many of those on that list won't be adding to their totals anytime soon, so we could well find ourselves slowly climbing up that table in the coming years.

I know it's 22 years ago now but we played City in what's now League One and three years later in what's now the Championship.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu May 13, 2021 6:23 pm

I know it's 22 years ago now but we played City in what's now League One and three years later in what's now the Championship.

Indeed we did, and many on that list have experienced life in the 3rd tier or even lower since, so the fact we've not been outside the top 2 divisions in over 20 years is testament to the management and directors during that period.

We've been in the PL for nearly a 3rd of it's existence...

...I can hardly still believe we're in it!

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu May 13, 2021 6:42 pm

Indeed we did, and many on that list have experienced life in the 3rd tier or even lower since, so the fact we've not been outside the top 2 divisions in over 20 years is testament to the management and directors during that period.

Some seem to forget these things Tiger

A sixth straight season is great - the target now must be ten and hopefully we can push away from the possibility of relegation battles a little.

I wonder what Mr Pace’s aims are in this respect.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Thu May 13, 2021 7:11 pm

A sixth straight season is great - the target now must be ten and hopefully we can push away from the possibility of relegation battles a little.

I wonder what Mr Pace’s aims are in this respect.

Now, now DCWat you should know the mantra by now, one season at a time.

Regarding a relegation battle we can never totally discount such a prospect well we remain in the Prem, but we can take steps to lessen that prospect, and a good transfer window would go a long way to ensuring we're far more likely to retain our place at the top table for a few more seasons at least.

What that table shows is that there are only six clubs that can be certain that they will still be in the Pl at the end of every season. All the others are in a relegation battle at the start of each season. Those claret fans who seem to delight in predicting Burnley's eventual relegation as though they are telling us something we don't know might well reflect on the fact that there are the vast majority of PL clubs in the same situation.

claret59 wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 12:03 am

What that table shows is that there are only six clubs that can be certain that they will still be in the Pl at the end of every season. All the others are in a relegation battle at the start of each season. Those claret fans who seem to delight in predicting Burnley's eventual relegation as though they are telling us something we don't know might well reflect on the fact that there are the vast majority of PL clubs in the same situation.

Seven.

I'm not sure it shows that anyway. Two clubs, City and Chelsea, have had enormous amounts of money thrown at them for no obvious financial gain. It's quite possible that could happen to other clubs. The same of course happened for our good friends down the road except he was a real club fan.

Everton have diced with the relegation positions at times and Liverpool once made an awful start. There's hope yet for those that don't like the self appointed 'big clubs' who set this whole thing up in the first place!

Has anyone got such a table for tier 1 to tier 4 since the league was first formed?
We cannot be far from having spent the majority of our time in the top flight, are we?

Here's a question - who would you say is the "biggest" club not on that list?

For me, given their history, I have to say it would be Preston. The other two contenders would probably be Bristol City and Millwall.

Some of the clubs on the list have fallen on seriously hard times.

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 9:10 am

Has anyone got such a table for tier 1 to tier 4 since the league was first formed?
We cannot be far from having spent the majority of our time in the top flight, are we?

We have spent 58 years (according to this site) in the top division since the Football league was formed and are 21st on the all time list.


https://www.myfootballfacts.com/england ... op-flight/

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu May 13, 2021 11:27 am

Watford - 8

So, deluded Watford ARE our equals

Then, you look at the number of years spent in the top flight. Watford 13, Clarets 58

Deluded !

claret59 wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 12:03 am

What that table shows is that there are only six clubs that can be certain that they will still be in the Pl at the end of every season. All the others are in a relegation battle at the start of each season. Those claret fans who seem to delight in predicting Burnley's eventual relegation as though they are telling us something we don't know might well reflect on the fact that there are the vast majority of PL clubs in the same situation.

I think that is the point. Most clubs are going to go down eventually and we're one of them. Every season is, realistically, going to start as a relegation battle.

aggi wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:20 am

I think that is the point. Most clubs are going to go down eventually and we're one of them. Every season is, realistically, going to start as a relegation battle.

I wish everyone would understand that. It could reduce the overreaction on here after every defeat.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:00 am

We have spent 58 years (according to this site) in the top division since the Football league was formed and are 21st on the all time list.


https://www.myfootballfacts.com/england ... op-flight/

Thanks Bosscat.

That site led me to a fact that suprised me, because I can't remeber it (or did I try and forgfet it?).

Can we name the Cameroonian who scored for Burnley in the Premier League?

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:31 am

Thanks Bosscat.

That site led me to a fact that suprised me, because I can't remeber it (or did I try and forgfet it?).

Can we name the Cameroonian who scored for Burnley in the Premier League?

Andre Bikey?

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:31 am

Thanks Bosscat.

That site led me to a fact that suprised me, because I can't remeber it (or did I try and forgfet it?).

Can we name the Cameroonian who scored for Burnley in the Premier League?

Andre Bikey ...

aggi wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:20 am

I think that is the point. Most clubs are going to go down eventually and we're one of them. Every season is, realistically, going to start as a relegation battle.

When we went up in 2009 no one would have considered Man City to be bigger than Everton as they had only been taken over in 2008.

If Newcastle get taken over by the Saudi Arabians then they are also likely to be added to the list of clubs unlikely to go down in the foreseeable future.

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:31 am

Thanks Bosscat.

That site led me to a fact that suprised me, because I can't remeber it (or did I try and forgfet it?).

Can we name the Cameroonian who scored for Burnley in the Premier League?

Bikey v Birmingham

Yes Andre Bikey (Amougou).

I'd completely forgotten about the shirt whirling man!

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:47 am

When we went up in 2009 no one would have considered Man City to be bigger than Everton as they had only been taken over in 2008.

If Newcastle get taken over by the Saudi Arabians then they are also likely to be added to the list of clubs unlikely to go down in the foreseeable future.

I didn't think it was necessary to caveat it with "unless we are taken over by a nation state that is willing to spend billions" but yes, that is an exception.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 10:47 am

When we went up in 2009 no one would have considered Man City to be bigger than Everton as they had only been taken over in 2008.

If Newcastle get taken over by the Saudi Arabians then they are also likely to be added to the list of clubs unlikely to go down in the foreseeable future.

Unless, of course, we're all taken over by billionaires. Three teams will still have to go down in the end.

CardiffClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 9:25 am

Here's a question - who would you say is the "biggest" club not on that list?

For me, given their history, I have to say it would be Preston. The other two contenders would probably be Bristol City and Millwall.

Notts County over Millwall, I'd think.

Anyhow, there must be something wrong with that list. Aren't Bolton 10 years ahead of us?

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑

Fri May 14, 2021 1:21 pm

Unless, of course, we're all taken over by billionaires. Three teams will still have to go down in the end.

Not if the billionaires get their own way, Duncan

If and when we can get into the top 20, then we really will be doing well!!!!