Loanees

[Bordeauxclaret]

My guess of between 30-50k and figures posted for both scenarios were incredibly accurate.

How have you gone from wildly guessing at 2pm yesterday to be sure he’s on £38k?

[CnBtruntru]

It might be ridiculous but 50k a week free transfers get you Dale Stephen's type players.

Anyway it's upto Dyche.

If Stephen's is on £50,000 a week God help us

[bf2k]

Stephens is on £38k p/w here

Really? Not sure if that’s true or not but if that’s the going rate wow!

[KRBFC]

How have you gone from wildly guessing at 2pm yesterday to be sure he’s on £38k?

Even if he isn't on £38k p/w and it's £38.2k p/w, does it really matter? Are we just gonna be petty over an exact figure? that's why I gave an initial approx of 30-50.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Really? Not sure if that’s true or not but if that’s the going rate wow!

That's the general consensus on sites that attempt to work out player wages.

[ewanrob]

Conor Gallagher at WBA, a very good player...would fit in perfectly.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Even if he isn't on £38k p/w and it's £38.2k p/w, does it really matter? Are we just gonna be petty over an exact figure? that's why I gave an initial approx of 30-50.

I’ve no idea what he’s on. I was just asking how you’ve gone from a massive guess yesterday to asserting he’s on £38k.
It seems very made up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’ve no idea what he’s on. I was just asking how you’ve gone from a massive guess yesterday to asserting he’s on £38k.
It seems very made up.

Probably because that’s the figure most of the websites are quoting.

We are paying over the odds on some very average players.

It’s rumoured Brownhill is on 40k, Pieters is on 48k, stephens 38k, Barnes 40k, Brady 35k.

Let’s be honest nearly all of the above players I have mentioned would struggle to get in any other premier league squad yet we are shelling out close to 10-12m on them a season in wages.

[ksrclaret]

Probably because that’s the figure most of the websites are quoting.

We are paying over the odds on some very average players.

It’s rumoured Brownhill is on 40k, Pieters is on 48k, stephens 38k, Barnes 40k, Brady 35k.

Let’s be honest nearly all of the above players I have mentioned would struggle to get in any other premier league squad yet we are shelling out close to 10-12m on them a season in wages.

These sorts of figures really don’t seem plausible... until you look at the accounts and see what our wage bill looks like these days.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I’ve no idea what he’s on. I was just asking how you’ve gone from a massive guess yesterday to asserting he’s on £38k.
It seems very made up.

Its a guestimation, but most sites think its about that.

Its probably more accurate than the people on here who've made outlandish claims that we have players on £70-100k a week whilst having a tantrum yet they've never been able to prove those claims.

[Bordeauxclaret]

He might be on exactly £38k for all I know. That’s not what I’m questioning.
I’m questioning how he went from this

wages of anywhere from 30-50k p/w over 2 years is 3million- 5.2million, we are heavy on bonuses, plus any signing on fee. It's a hefty outlay for a player who isn't anywhere good enough, old with no resale value and contributed nothing.

To this in under 24 hours.

Stephens is on £38k p/w here

[bf2k]

That's the general consensus on sites that attempt to work out player wages.

If it is true what is being quoted for some of our players (and I'm still sceptical) then football is in a mess. £50k a week for Jay (or even £38k for Stephens) who aren't really up to first team standard at any premier league team is, well, ridiculous!

It really does beg the question how long we can "compete". Wages like that and its inevitable a super league idea will take off sooner rather than later. If for nothing else but a reset of the rest of the game.

[KRBFC]

He might be on exactly £38k for all I know. That’s not what I’m questioning.
I’m questioning how he went from this



To this in under 24 hours.

You are really nitpicking here, not sure why.
A quick google search reports he's on approximately £38k per week.
I first predicted 30-50k and posted figures for both the top end (50k) and the bottom end (30k).

If you don't want to believe he's on 50k p/w and you don't believe the 38k reported, then take the 30k figures I posted instead, either way it's a pretty insane amount wasted.

[dougcollins]

I just think that whatever SD's strengths, one thing that will not happen in his tenure is a successful loanee.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I just think that whatever SD's strengths, one thing that will not happen in his tenure is a successful loanee.

Really?

Micheal Keane....

[dougcollins]

Agreement to buy was the difference.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Agreement to buy was the difference.

Still a succesful loan, or do you want to try and shift the goalposts a little more?

[dougcollins]

Well, the difference is, he actually got to play.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Others have played, but they've never shown enough to warrant playing them more or signing them permanently.

Kacaniklic has hardly done much since leaving Fulham.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand ... ikli%C4%87

Nkoudou has ended up at Besiktas and playing regularly.

[dsr]

Not the Dyche way. I know he's been here so long people think both are the same.

But I think Burnley have had some great loans. Marriott and Cahill spring to mind.

The problem with getting good loans is that you are signing players who are not wanted by their own club (not for the first XI anyway) but are wanted by Burnley. And the higher up the league you go, the harder they are to find.

Marriott and Cahill were both signed from higher division clubs. Now we are in the Premier League, there are no higher division clubs.

[ClaretLoup]

Fair point dsr but there are leagues within leagues and Burnley could have signed someone like Willock from one of the big boys and he seems to have done quite well at Newcastle however I imagine he will be on circa £50 k plus which would probably put him beyond Burnley’s reach. If it works out though, a good loan signing could lift Burnley 2 or 3 places up the table for about £1/2 million cost.

On the other hand they could sign a complete plank like Drinkwater who was more trouble than he was worth That’s the problem with loans.

[Chester Perry]

Fair point dsr but there are leagues within leagues and Burnley could have signed someone like Willock from one of the big boys and he seems to have done quite well at Newcastle however I imagine he will be on circa £50 k plus which would probably put him beyond Burnley’s reach. If it works out though, a good loan signing could lift Burnley 2 or 3 places up the table for about £1/2 million cost.

On the other hand they could sign a complete plank like Drinkwater who was more trouble than he was worth That’s the problem with loans.

Have you read about the process Arsenal put you through to get one of their players on loan. they are not the only ones doing this

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... a-18749648

[dsr]

Have you read about the process Arsenal put you through to get one of their players on loan. they are not the only ones doing this

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... a-18749648

And yet for all their supposed diligence, they decided that Danny Cowley made a great impression on them when he took his Lincoln side (complete with the fat lump up front) to Arsenal in the FA Cup.

[Chester Perry]

And yet for all their supposed diligence, they decided that Danny Cowley made a great impression on them when he took his Lincoln side (complete with the fat lump up front) to Arsenal in the FA Cup.

It is a new process - there have been lots of changes at Arsenal in recent years - some post 3 times in less than 5 years

[Vegas Claret]

any loan we make is likely to cost 2-3 million for a season plus wages.

[Claret_tinted]

If it is true what is being quoted for some of our players (and I'm still sceptical) then football is in a mess. £50k a week for Jay (or even £38k for Stephens) who aren't really up to first team standard at any premier league team is, well, ridiculous!

It really does beg the question how long we can "compete". Wages like that and its inevitable a super league idea will take off sooner rather than later. If for nothing else but a reset of the rest of the game.

Add in bonuses: goals, clean sheets, assists.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Have you read about the process Arsenal put you through to get one of their players on loan. they are not the only ones doing this

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... a-18749648

That's a lot of ballache

[Jakubs Tash]

Historically, Dyche has mainly used the loan market to fill the squad out (that's when he has actually used loans at all!) with the likes of Chalobah, Bamford, Nkoudou, Flanagan etc. These players have come in but hardly kicked a ball for us.

Other teams seem to get players on loan with a view to signing them permanently or to improve the starting XI - this is where I think we need to re-think our policy and improve things on the pitch with better loan players coming in who can make a difference to the first team. Not massive numbers but certainly 2 or 3.

[Chester Perry]

Historically, Dyche has mainly used the loan market to fill the squad out (that's when he has actually used loans at all!) with the likes of Chalobah, Bamford, Nkoudou, Flanagan etc. These players have come in but hardly kicked a ball for us.

Other teams seem to get players on loan with a view to signing them permanently or to improve the starting XI - this is where I think we need to re-think our policy and improve things on the pitch with better loan players coming in who can make a difference to the first team. Not massive numbers but certainly 2 or 3.

From the way Dyche has tended to use loan players and from comments CT made about Drinkwater, I would question whether Dyche had actually agreed to any of our loan signings, may be Flanagan and Nkoudou as they were known to be actually available - Keane was very different, Dyche himself has said the loan was done as the negotiations for the transfer could not be completed in time.

[Gordaleman]

Not a lover of the loan system but it has it's uses.

Remember, both Mee and Trippier initially came to us on loan, and neither of those turned out too shabby.

Burnley's bigger problem is an ageing squad. (We finished the game against Leeds with an average age over 30.) Bringing in loan players only puts off the problem until the loan period ends. If we haven't got players coming through from the academy, then we need to sign at least four or five PL ready players in the coming window. I just hope Alan Pace and the new board have other revenue ideas besides better advertising and better sponsorships.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not a lover of the loan system but it has it's uses.

Remember, both Mee and Trippier initially came to us on loan, and neither of those turned out too shabby.

Burnley's bigger problem is an ageing squad. (We finished the game against Leeds with an average age over 30.) Bringing in loan players only puts off the problem until the loan period ends. If we haven't got players coming through from the academy, then we need to sign at least four or five PL ready players in the coming window. I just hope Alan Pace and the new board have other revenue ideas besides better advertising and better sponsorships.

Football clubs revenue streams consist of -
Sponsorship/Partnerships advertising, player sales, matchday, commercial sales and I'm going to add on social media.

3-4 of those can be increased easier than the other 2.

We can't justify ground expansion and player sales at present isn't a guaranteed figure, so they're long term pro

Commercial sales, social media, Sponsorship/partnership advertising are the 3 that can be improved upon in the quickest time frames.