Dyche’s Contract

[Newcastleclaret93]

Does anyone know the situation with his contract, I understand there is only a year left on it now. Does that mean he is free to talk to potential suitors?

Or even better has anyone heard if he is likely to be offered a new contract or accept it?

[TheFamilyCat]

Let's be realistic; a contract of any length won't stop a manager, or their agent, from talking to potential suitors.

Like many, I suspect a lot will depend on the ambition shown by the board over the summer.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Let's be realistic; a contract of any length won't stop a manager, or their agent, from talking to potential suitors.

Like many, I suspect a lot will depend on the ambition shown by the board over the summer.

Fair comment.

I was just under the impression that when managers/players reach the last 12 months of there contract they can openly speak to suitors.

[taio]

Does anyone know the situation with his contract, I understand there is only a year left on it now. Does that mean he is free to talk to potential suitors?

Or even better has anyone heard if he is likely to be offered a new contract or accept it?

Not sure how him having a year left has any bearing on who he can talk to.

[taio]

Fair comment.

I was just under the impression that when managers/players reach the last 12 months of there contract they can openly speak to suitors.

Players should have 6 months or less remaining on their contract to openly negotiate with another club.

[TheFamilyCat]

Just to add, SD does not need to rush into anything. No doubt there'll be an offer on the table and he could probably wait until way into next season before he decided whether to accept or not. The ball will be in the court of the club to decide when they need him to sign or withdraw the offer.

Hopefully there won't be any extended period of uncertainty as this will probably impact negatively on the players, staff and ultimately, results.

[bobinho]

I hope we are doing everything we can to get him tied up for another few years. There isn’t another manager on the planet that could get from these player what he gets, I’m absolutely convinced of that. Pep, klopp and tuchel combined couldn’t keep these up.

[tim_noone]

I hope we are doing everything we can to get him tied up for another few years. There isn’t another manager on the planet that could get from these player what he gets, I’m absolutely convinced of that. Pep, klopp and tuchel combined couldn’t keep these up.

Big Sam?

[RalphCoatesComb]

Sean Dyche continues to work his magic down at t'Turf. He has earned the right to move on, should he so wish. I'd like to think that the last 8 years have meant a lot to him. He is King of all he surveys. Not many get to that position in this game.

As has been said many times, he could become the Alex Ferguson of Burnley. Hopefully, Sean and the Board see it the same way.

[Gordaleman]

Big Sam?

I shudder, every time someone mentions that name.

[Gordaleman]

Sean Dyche continues to work his magic down at t'Turf. He has earned the right to move on, should he so wish. I'd like to think that the last 8 years have meant a lot to him. He is King of all he surveys. Not many get to that position in this game.

As has been said many times, he could become the Alex Ferguson of Burnley. Hopefully, Sean and the Board see it the same way.

I've been saying the same thing on here for years. Sean is going nowhere. I'm convinnced he's trying to build a dynasty here.

[tiger76]

It's funny I thought some pf the more vocal posters on this board wanted SD to go ASAP, thankfully they're an incredibly small if loud minority.

As others have rightly remarked even if SD was to sign a new contract if the right offer was to present itself he'd have to consider it, however he appears to be content at Burnley now especially since the takeover, of course the proof will be in the pudding and how much funding he's given this summer to recruit, we don't need wholesale changes to our squad, but we do need 2/3 real quality additions to compliment our solid base and enable us to hopefully improve our league placing next season, and if that was to materialise I see no obvious reason why SD wouldn't commit to staying long term, he's got a lot of control over several aspects of the club which he probably wouldn't enjoy elsewhere, and should he take the plunge he could easily find himself out of work in 6 months.

[RalphCoatesComb]

We don't need wholesale changes to our squad, but we do need 2/3 real quality additions to compliment our solid base.

Keeping hold of Pope, Tarkowski and McNeil would be like recruiting 3 quality players. Add 3 to those names and we can certainly cement our place in the Premier League.

[tiger76]

Keeping hold of Pope, Tarkowski and McNeil would be like recruiting 3 quality players. Add 3 to those names and we can certainly cement our place in the Premier League.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if we keep hold of Tarkowski this window, but you never know he may yet stay and sign a new deal.

I'm not unduly worried about McNeil or Pope leaving this year both are tied to long term contracts, so that alone should keep potential suitors at arms length at least for 12 months.

I suspect our starting XI won't be hugely different come the opening game of next season despite all the clamour for radical changes in the wake of yesterday, to react in such a manner would smack of a kneejerk reaction, and we should all know by now that this isn't Sean Dyche's method, and who are we to question as it clearly works, hence why we're going to be enjoying a 6th straight campaign as a PL team next season.

Even if we do get 2/3 new signings we'll still be in the mix that's just the reality for a club such as ours, and we'll still need to be lucky regarding injuries to our key personnel, but that's true of all the teams outwith a handful, just witness Sheff Utd's woes when their main defenders have been absent for virtually the whole season.

[IanMcL]

I've been saying the same thing on here for years. Sean is going nowhere. I'm convinnced he's trying to build a dynasty here.

I would hope that too. He has achieved miracles and it would be fitting to walk along Sean Dyche Way, into Harry Potts Way and enter the shrine of football.

He has laid the foundation. Club and community can go far.

[Claret_tinted]

I've been saying the same thing on here for years. Sean is going nowhere. I'm convinnced he's trying to build a dynasty here.

Then revise what you think of the man, Dyche is very ambitious.

[Claret_tinted]

Keeping hold of Pope, Tarkowski and McNeil would be like recruiting 3 quality players. Add 3 to those names and we can certainly cement our place in the Premier League.

Would you want to stand in the way of Pope playing Champions league football?

McNeill won’t make it past Burnley, Tarks has the capacity to play higher, if he leaves it’ll be for money.

[Claret_tinted]

I'll be pleasantly surprised if we keep hold of Tarkowski this window, but you never know he may yet stay and sign a new deal.

I'm not unduly worried about McNeil or Pope leaving this year both are tied to long term contracts, so that alone should keep potential suitors at arms length at least for 12 months.

I suspect our starting XI won't be hugely different come the opening game of next season despite all the clamour for radical changes in the wake of yesterday, to react in such a manner would smack of a kneejerk reaction, and we should all know by now that this isn't Sean Dyche's method, and who are we to question as it clearly works, hence why we're going to be enjoying a 6th straight campaign as a PL team next season.

Even if we do get 2/3 new signings we'll still be in the mix that's just the reality for a club such as ours, and we'll still need to be lucky regarding injuries to our key personnel, but that's true of all the teams outwith a handful, just witness Sheff Utd's woes when their main defenders have been absent for virtually the whole season.

It can work, has worked, but you can’t argue with time. The players are older, more fatigued, and don’t recover easily.

We desperately need new blood in, other wise we’re the next Stoke.

Why can’t people see this?

[RalphCoatesComb]

Would you want to stand in the way of Pope playing Champions league football?

Errrr... Yes

[Claret_tinted]

Errrr... Yes

Jesus Christ on a bike...

Really? That’s good for the club how? Come to us, and we’ll block your progression...

Some people really don’t understand the clubs role

[RalphCoatesComb]

Some people really don’t understand the clubs role

Guilty

[tiger76]

It can work, has worked, but you can’t argue with time. The players are older, more fatigued, and don’t recover easily.

We desperately need new blood in, other wise we’re the next Stoke.

Why can’t people see this?

Nobody is denying we need new blood, but if we changed 6/7 of this team at a stroke that carries risks also, and if it takes time for that new team to gel we could quickly find ourselves propping up the league, this is what happens when you don't strengthen for several windows though, and now we're facing a major rebuild in a solitary window which is a tough ask, I'd happily settle for a couple of centre backs, right winger, and maybe a dynamic centre mid, and a right back at a push, of course this is all dependent on who leaves this summer also.

[beddie]

If he’s backed with the funds this summer then there’s a good chance he’ll stay. I also think he’ll want to see what the business plans are moving forward before committing. This close season is going to be interesting. He’s crucial to BFC and I really hope he signs a new deal.

[Conroy92]

Might be wrong but thought CT had hinted at a new contract a few weeks ago? Any news Tony?

[Rowls]

It can work, has worked, but you can’t argue with time. The players are older, more fatigued, and don’t recover easily.

We desperately need new blood in, other wise we’re the next Stoke.

Why can’t people see this?

We do indeed need some fresh faces but your allusion is a false one: Stoke were relegated after bringing in several new big money signings.

[DCWat]

We do indeed need some fresh faces but your allusion is a false one: Stoke were relegated after bringing in several new big money signings.

On the back of plenty of fan demand for an easier on the eye style of football.

[ClaretTony]

Does anyone know the situation with his contract, I understand there is only a year left on it now. Does that mean he is free to talk to potential suitors?

Or even better has anyone heard if he is likely to be offered a new contract or accept it?

Manager contracts are not like player contracts in terms of being able to talk to other clubs.

Yes he has one year to go but any club wanting him now would still have to be a sizeable compensation fee for him.

I believe talks have been held. I’ve heard contrasting views on how things are likely to progress but I’m still confident.

[Elizabeth]

We do indeed need some fresh faces but your allusion is a false one: Stoke were relegated after bringing in several new big money signings.

Yes the demise of Stoke in the PL was rapid. They never flirted with relegation, ending up mid table every season with European football and an FA Cup final thrown in. Even when they changed Pulis for Hughes they maintained their mid table position. It ended for them in the space of one season during which Hughes was sacked.
The signings of the likes of Shakiri and Bojan from Barcelona had the fans in raptures but were the beginning of the end. Bojan especially was a complete waster.
It does remind you of what we already know. You can quickly exit the PL at a season’s notice

[dermotdermot]

I thought that Sean Dyche was offered an extension fairly recently but stated that he wanted to put any talks on hold until after we had secured Premiership football for another season.

[ClaretTony]

Yes the demise of Stoke in the PL was rapid. They never flirted with relegation, ending up mid table every season with European football and an FA Cup final thrown in. Even when they changed Pulis for Hughes they maintained their mid table position. It ended for them in the space of one season during which Hughes was sacked.
The signings of the likes of Shakiri and Bojan from Barcelona had the fans in raptures but were the beginning of the end. Bojan especially was a complete waster.
It does remind you of what we already know. You can quickly exit the PL at a season’s notice

The fans were never in raptures with Hughes and they consider the demise was brought about when players such as Bardsley & Walters were allowed to leave. Like us, they had a good dressing room but it changed.

[Elizabeth]

I can’t remember them being in raptures about Pulis.

[kentonclaret]

Nobody is denying we need new blood, but if we changed 6/7 of this team at a stroke that carries risks also, and if it takes time for that new team to gel we could quickly find ourselves propping up the league, this is what happens when you don't strengthen for several windows though, and now we're facing a major rebuild in a solitary window which is a tough ask, I'd happily settle for a couple of centre backs, right winger, and maybe a dynamic centre mid, and a right back at a push, of course this is all dependent on who leaves this summer also.

I thought that the only major rebuilding job needed was at Crystal Palace, which is the argument put forward by many on here as a reason as to why it would be a bad move for SD to replace Roy Hodgson?

[FCBurnley]

A bit disturbing hearing us referred to as Dads Army yesterday by comms. Apparently our team was the oldest in the PL this weekend!! No supply of younger players coming thru except maybe Richardson. Think they said we had 7 over thirties. Imo players are at their peak around the thirty mark but can soon lose that yard of pace which is vital in PL. Gonna be tough summer for Mr Pace and his recruitment team.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I thought that the only major rebuilding job needed was at Crystal Palace, which is the argument put forward by many on here as a reason as to why it would be a bad move for SD to replace Roy Hodgson?

6-7 players is different to 13 ish.

Plus we don't need to swap around 6 players this summer.

[Chester Perry]

It's funny I thought some pf the more vocal posters on this board wanted SD to go ASAP, thankfully they're an incredibly small if loud minority.

As others have rightly remarked even if SD was to sign a new contract if the right offer was to present itself he'd have to consider it, however he appears to be content at Burnley now especially since the takeover, of course the proof will be in the pudding and how much funding he's given this summer to recruit, we don't need wholesale changes to our squad, but we do need 2/3 real quality additions to compliment our solid base and enable us to hopefully improve our league placing next season, and if that was to materialise I see no obvious reason why SD wouldn't commit to staying long term, he's got a lot of control over several aspects of the club which he probably wouldn't enjoy elsewhere, and should he take the plunge he could easily find himself out of work in 6 months.

I am not saying that you are including myself here, though it is reasonable to believe that some would think that, given comments on my posts elsewhere - so I will try and make my position clear

Dyche leaving would severely weaken us and our ability to remain in the Premier League, he is so deeply ingrained in the infrastructure of the club that the shock of the change without a markedly sustainable loosening of the constraints would hasten a downward trajectory for us. So his continuing presence is more or less essential if that is what the owners require - and their financial model (for the time being at least) requires it.

I will repeat that what Dyche has achieved on the football side of things given the constraints has been and remains phenomenal

None of that absolves him from some of his behaviours and (at best) questionable postulations on the financial situation at the club in the last couple of seasons. I find it deeply disappointing that given the long term legacy outlook he ushered into the club, he now appears to be undermining that just as moves and road maps were being put into action for that sustainable legacy to be visible away from the football side. All while continuing to grow the football side, particularly the Academy and support facilities at Gawthorpe. I base that on analysis of official information released by the club in recent years not on press speculation,

From the outside (and with no knowledge of the detail other than press speculation and occasional snippets from CT who has contacts within the club) Dyche does seem to have developed a real problem when challenged on alternative targets if his primaries can not be brought to the club as a result of it's financial constraints. His fall out over the contract extension situation for restart last year was bewildering nasty - when it was apparent across the game that players were not willing to risk the signing of a month's extension as the risks to future earnings were so great. Compound that with a then uncertain outlook (which became much more bleak in reality) on future revenues, it was obvious that the model on which the club was run meant it needed to cut costs.

What has remained apparent throughout was the belief that the owners new and old (shared by the vast majority of observers and fans) is that the club need to keep Dyche if it is to remain with a reasonable chance of staying in the Premier League. The fracture has developed on the fiscal approach, this delivered an urgent need for a change in ownership, and with few concrete offers around (it has been reported that some American Private Equity organisations looked and could not see a way to get the required returns on investment - "we could not run it any better" was the refrain) the directors took what they believed was the best offer on the table (whether it was for them or the club is a separate discussion), and we are in a very different financial situation, with a happier looking (for now at least) manager in a substantially more powerful position,

As much as I want my club to do well, I want it to be sustainable and long lasting even more, the new financial position demands Premier League football for the club to remain stable and for now, like many I believe that means retaining Dyche, though I worry as to how he will react to the owners hard line financial approach, if they cannot grow revenues quickly enough to meet the additional costs they have generated and the demands of the manager. The next 2 years in particular are going to be a bit of a financial roller-coaster.

[AlargeClaret]

I’d be surprised if he stayed another year . Unless the new owners give SD some spending power he’d be mad not to go to Palace .Though quite how SD and his back room team will handle a multi lingual dressing room with egos ,tantrums and the agents which go with these types I’m not so sure. I hope he stays

[Gordaleman]

Then revise what you think of the man, Dyche is very ambitious.

I'm sure he is, but he's not stupid. He knows that he's a very big fish in a very small pond, but he's safe here, as there are no sharks to eat him as soon as he he makes a mistake. He also has the run of the place. He's a manager, not just a "Do as the owner says." type coach.

If he leaves Burnley, then with the sacking culture in the rest of the PL, he could be out of work within three months. (Admittedly with a huge pay off.)

I think he'll be here a while yet, unless England come calling. That's another poisoned chalice, but one he might be tempted to pick up after another failure in the Euros.

[TheFamilyCat]

I’d be surprised if he stayed another year . Unless the new owners give SD some spending power he’d be mad not to go to Palace .Though quite how SD and his back room team will handle a multi lingual dressing room with egos ,tantrums and the agents which go with these types I’m not so sure. I hope he stays

They'd just talk really loudly and slowly.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm sure he is, but he's not stupid. He knows that he's a very big fish in a very small pond, but he's safe here, as there are no sharks to eat him as soon as he he makes a mistake. He also has the run of the place. He's a manager, not just a "Do as the owner says." type coach.

If he leaves Burnley, then with the sacking culture in the rest of the PL, he could be out of work within three months. (Admittedly with a huge pay off.)

I think he'll be here a while yet, unless England come calling.

Spot on, I don’t think throughout the leagues you can’t think of any other safer job than he’s got here, things might not be brilliant here for him but he’s established, the feet are well & truly under the table & he’s not daft he knows what side his breads buttered on. Anyway else he’d be more accountable with less flexibility & patience.

[Chester Perry]

Spot on, I don’t think throughout the leagues you can’t think of any other safer job than he’s got here, things might not be brilliant here for him but he’s established, the feet are well & truly under the table & he’s not daft he knows what side his breads buttered on. Anyway else he’d be more accountable with less flexibility & patience.

The single safest manager's job in English football is John Coleman at Accrington Stanley - Dyche probably comes in the top 3 for now at least

[Jakubclaret]

The single safest manager's job in English football is John Coleman at Accrington Stanley - Dyche probably comes in the top 3 for now at least

That’s debatable, it’s safe as things can be in the crazy footballing managerial sack races the point I was making. It would have to be a combination of becoming well & truly jacked off here with another offer coming in backed up with reassurances for him to consider leaving.

[KRBFC]

As much as I want my club to do well, I want it to be sustainable and long lasting even more, the new financial position demands Premier League football for the club to remain stable and for now, like many I believe that means retaining Dyche, though I worry as to how he will react to the owners hard line financial approach, if they cannot grow revenues quickly enough to meet the additional costs they have generated and the demands of the manager. The next 2 years in particular are going to be a bit of a financial roller-coaster.

Where do we expect money for transfers to come from? Surely we aren't forced into selling our best players to bring new faces in.
Growing revenue streams by £25M a season to form a transfer budget is unrealistic. More loans?

There's still so many questions remaining around the loans, firstly where is the money coming from to pay MSD? are ALK paying for their shares or is the clubs PL TV income funding this?

What are ALK plans around the loans? pay the interest and keep stacking loans on top? similar to the Glazer way.

Do ALK have money men in the background? I thought they would potentially sell further shares to raise some £?

I'm just not sure where I see the finances for transfers coming from, the yearly interest of £7M is kinda huge.

[Jakubclaret]

It’s pie in the sky stuff regarding the finances, any sustainable business model cannot afford to have so much debt attached not a club of our size.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Where do we expect money for transfers to come from? Surely we aren't forced into selling our best players to bring new faces in.
Growing revenue streams by £25M a season to form a transfer budget is unrealistic. More loans?

There's still so many questions remaining around the loans, firstly where is the money coming from to pay MSD? are ALK paying for their shares or is the clubs PL TV income funding this?

What are ALK plans around the loans? pay the interest and keep stacking loans on top? similar to the Glazer way.

Do ALK have money men in the background? I thought they would potentially sell further shares to raise some £?

I'm just not sure where I see the finances for transfers coming from, the yearly interest of £7M is kinda huge.

Growing finances by £25 million a year for a transfer kitty isn't unrealistic.
That can be done just with better sponsorship deals.

[KRBFC]

Growing finances by £25 million a year for a transfer kitty isn't unrealistic.
That can be done just with better sponsorship deals.

Sponsorship wise how far behind are we? Would you like expect new sponsorship deals to be announced soon for next season?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Growing finances by £25 million a year for a transfer kitty isn't unrealistic.
That can be done just with better sponsorship deals.

I thought our current sponsorship with lovebet was supposed to be one of the better in the league?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I thought our current sponsorship with lovebet was supposed to be one of the better in the league?

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/bur ... eplacement

[Chester Perry]

Sponsorship wise how far behind are we? Would you like expect new sponsorship deals to be announced soon for next season?

Outside the big six the best performers have been pulling in around £40m - we have been doing £16m - £17m which puts in the bottom four usually - I expect Leeds, Everton, Leicester Aston Villa and West Ham to really start pushing that figure of £40m hard with figures of £60m or £70m this year a or next for the first two in particular.

I thought our current sponsorship with lovebet was supposed to be one of the better in the league?

It was actually quite good, being above or on par with the likes of Southampton, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Wolves, Crystal Palace and Brighton last year, it was the rest that was letting us down. if you look at the retail side of things it was an eight of Leeds last year for instance - is all of that down to size of fan base?

as GIADJ suggests we need to find substantially more commercial revenue - I am not sure it is as easy to find as he suggests (that list of clubs above us have been struggling to push theirs forward until recently (the successful ones usually do it with American influence in the boardroom).

I maintain that to be both sustainable and able to invest in the squad regularly in the Premier League, without selling off key players - TV income needs to less than 70% of revenues and wages less than 55% of revenues - otherwise you quickly hit the stalemate situation the club has been in the last couple of years

[KRBFC]

Outside the big six the best performers have been pulling in around £40m - we have been doing £16m - £17m which puts in the bottom four usually - I expect Leeds, Everton, Leicester Aston Villa and West Ham to really start pushing that figure of £40m hard with figures of £60m or £70m this year a or next for the first two in particular.



It was actually quite good, being above or on par with the likes of Southampton, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Wolves, Crystal Palace and Brighton last year, it was the rest that was letting us down. if you look at the retail side of things it was an eight of Leeds last year for instance - is all of that down to size of fan base?

as GIADJ suggests we need to find substantially more commercial revenue - I am not sure it is as easy to find as he suggests (that list of clubs above us have been struggling to push theirs forward until recently (the successful ones usually do it with American influence in the boardroom).

I maintain that to be both sustainable and able to invest in the squad regularly in the Premier League, without selling off key players - TV income needs to less than 70% of revenues and wages less than 55% of revenues - otherwise you quickly hit the stalemate situation the club has been in the last couple of years

I'd say Crystal Palace are similar sized (fan base) wise, any idea how they've been doing sponsorship wise? I know they're American owned too.

[taio]

I'd would be very surprised if we could increase sponsorship revenues by £25m a year - that feels like a massive uplift for our club.