Matheus Pereira

[NewClaret]

What a player.

If I were Dyche I’d be telling Alan I just wanted him & an extension for Tarky.

[KRBFC]

Shining light for WBA, if Pope moves on I wouldn’t be mad at us moving for their keeper Johnson.

[Targetman]

If he is as good as you say then clubs higher up the league than us would be favourites to sign him.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’d hazard a guess and say he will end up at one of the following clubs:

Everton
West Ham
Aston Villa

[NewClaret]

If he is as good as you say then clubs higher up the league than us would be favourites to sign him.

Of course. Out of our reach, etc, etc.

At some point we need to sign players that other clubs might be interested in.

[JohnMac]

Players like him are not out of our reach, they are out of our desire to over commit to excessive wages.

[NewClaret]

I’d hazard a guess and say he will end up at one of the following clubs:

Everton
West Ham
Aston Villa

Everton I can see.

West Ham have Bowen, Villa have Traore and El Ghazi in his position.

[ClaretTony]

Players like him are not out of our reach, they are out of our desire to over commit to excessive wages.

When do desire & reach pass each other? The last accounts showed that we are at our limit wage wise.

[NewClaret]

Players like him are not out of our reach, they are out of our desire to over commit to excessive wages.

Depends what you read but some reports have him on £25k per week. Others up to £47k per week.

[NewClaret]

When do desire & reach pass each other? The last accounts showed that we are at our limit wage wise.

To be fair, have taken £6-£8m off the wage bill since then.

[ClaretTony]

To be fair, have taken £6-£8m off the wage bill since then.

We’ve certainly lost players and not added as many but we either need to significantly increase revenues or reduce that wage bill.

[frankinwales]

We need to be signing players like him before other clubs, a must is to improve our scouting .


Up the Clarets.

[JohnMac]

When do desire & reach pass each other? The last accounts showed that we are at our limit wage wise.

I mean desire as in we can't commit to go beyond our current structure without a significant increase in revenue. I don't see much change on that front in the short term.

We have been a model to be admired, to change now and push wages even higher to tempt a few mercenaries, sorry better players, would see the Club dangling precariously on the edge of an abyss I believe.

[ClaretTony]

I mean desire as in we can't commit to go beyond our current structure without a significant increase in revenue. I don't see much change on that front in the short term.

We have been a model to be admired, to change now and push wages even higher to tempt a few mercenaries, sorry better players, would see the Club dangling precariously on the edge of an abyss I believe.

And the takeover hasn’t brought money into the club, just the hope that we can generate more commercially.

[Gordaleman]

Players like him are not out of our reach, they are out of our desire to over commit to excessive wages.

Rightly so.

[Chester Perry]

And the takeover hasn’t brought money into the club, just the hope that we can generate more commercially.

They are looking to grow matchday too - you will be better informed on that than many of us, though I have speculated about it on the JHL thread amongst others. This could be the way they develop an issue with "legacy fans" (for want of a better phrase) going forward

I must admit to being intrigued as to how much of the recent developments at Turf Moor and Gawthorpe were part of an existing roadmap, what has been tweaked on that road map in terms of how it looks, what has been accelerated in terms of delivery and what is entirely new thinking from the new ownership - part of me can see a case for everything as being on the existing road-map, though some of it remains only a passing possibility

[Hedontplayforyou]

We need to be signing players like him before other clubs, a must is to improve our scouting .


Up the Clarets.

This is very true, following the model of Leicester would be great

[bobinho]

Players like him are not out of our reach, they are out of our desire to over commit to excessive wages.

You ain’t narrowed that down any John.... every single professional footballer is in receipt of excessive wages wherever he plies his trade.

[TheFamilyCat]

Depends what you read but some reports have him on £25k per week. Others up to £47k per week.

His current salary is irrelevant.

[ClaretTony]

This is very true, following the model of Leicester would be great

If you want to follow the model of Leicester you will need to find a mega rich Thai family

[Chester Perry]

This is very true, following the model of Leicester would be great

do you mean a benevolent billionaire investor willing to sink hundreds of millions into the club, and a stadium that cost a quarter of the contract price because of an administration, without points deduction that allowed for promotion to the Premier League the following season - the two are disconnected but it is impossible to say that the current situation was not assisted greatly by the former

[JohnMac]

Net worth US$3.7 billion (January 2021)

I have pasted the Chairman of Leicester City's net worth, that should give us a good starting point.

[JohnMac]

do you mean a benevolent billionaire investor willing to sink hundreds of millions into the club, and a stadium that cost a quarter of the contract price because of an administration, without points deduction that allowed for promotion to the Premier League the following season - the two are disconnected but it is impossible to say that the current situation was not assisted greatly by the former

I couldn't have put it better. Seriously, I couldn't!

[ClaretTony]

They are looking to grow matchday too - you will be better informed on that than many of us, though I have speculated about it on the JHL thread amongst others. This could be the way they develop an issue with "legacy fans" (for want of a better phrase) going forward

I must admit to being intrigued as to how much of the recent developments at Turf Moor and Gawthorpe were part of an existing roadmap, what has been tweaked on that road map in terms of how it looks, what has been accelerated in terms of delivery and what is entirely new thinking from the new ownership - part of me can see a case for everything as being on the existing road-map, though some of it remains only a passing possibility

What is happening at the Turf was planned for last summer. Whether the new owners have tweaked any of it I don’t know.


Gawthorpe is probably down to the new ownership with their plans to expand the academy and to integrate the women’s team.

[Vegas Claret]

Shining light for WBA, if Pope moves on I wouldn’t be mad at us moving for their keeper Johnson.

agree

[NewClaret]

We’ve certainly lost players and not added as many but we either need to significantly increase revenues or reduce that wage bill.

Someone will have to explain to me how we can accumulate £15m cash in the 19-20 season, then lose big earners like Hart, Lennon, Hendrick and Gibson off the 20-21 wage bill, and still need to reduce the wage bill in 21-22 to sign players. Not being awkward, just can’t understand it.

[NewClaret]

His current salary is irrelevant.

He’ll likely go to the team willing to pay him the most, but potentially earning significantly less than our highest earner is relevant in the sense that it provides a scope to better his salary without breaking our structure.

[ClaretTony]

Someone will have to explain to me how we can accumulate £15m cash in the 19-20 season, then lose big earners like Hart, Lennon, Hendrick and Gibson off the 20-21 wage bill, and still need to reduce the wage bill in 21-22 to sign players. Not being awkward, just can’t understand it.

Maybe you could start by looking at the money that's come in during 2020/21 in terms of gate receipts, match sponsorship, hospitality, commercial deals - we will have lost a considerable amount of money I would expect during the last year. Then there's the takeover.

[Paul Waine]

Someone will have to explain to me how we can accumulate £15m cash in the 19-20 season, then lose big earners like Hart, Lennon, Hendrick and Gibson off the 20-21 wage bill, and still need to reduce the wage bill in 21-22 to sign players. Not being awkward, just can’t understand it.

I'll give it a try: we didn't accumulate any additional cash, the accounts were for 13 months period to 31st July. This extra month included the first installment of TV money for the 2020-21 season.

[djemba-djemba]

Someone will have to explain to me how we can accumulate £15m cash in the 19-20 season, then lose big earners like Hart, Lennon, Hendrick and Gibson off the 20-21 wage bill, and still need to reduce the wage bill in 21-22 to sign players. Not being awkward, just can’t understand it.

Because Alan has no money.

[NewClaret]

I'll give it a try: we didn't accumulate any additional cash, the accounts were for 13 months period to 31st July. This extra month included the first installment of TV money for the 2020-21 season.

Pretty sure CP said that the first TV instalment amounted to £29m so wouldn’t explain the full £40m increase (although my maths was wrong, ~£11m not £15m - although presumably it would have been close to that figure if the season hadn’t been interrupted).

Accept CT’s points that last year must’ve been grim from
a revenue perspective, but with fans (expected) back in from next season and the previous TV deal secured for another 3 years, you’d expect we’ll have lower costs than 19/20 and similar revenues?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Someone will have to explain to me how we can accumulate £15m cash in the 19-20 season, then lose big earners like Hart, Lennon, Hendrick and Gibson off the 20-21 wage bill, and still need to reduce the wage bill in 21-22 to sign players. Not being awkward, just can’t understand it.

Pretty simple really, we have lost them players but a number of the existing squad have signed new contracts (can be assumed on either the same pay or better). We have also signed a couple of players that are on the same if not higher wages in Brownhill and Stephens. Then Our income has dropped significantly due to Covid, sponsorships, tv rebates etc....

Then we also have significant debt to pay off and large salaries of the new owners to pay.

Basically unless the new owners can significantly increase revenue in a short amount of time we are in a worst position than we were with the previous owners.

[KRBFC]

And the takeover hasn’t brought money into the club, just the hope that we can generate more commercially.

6 months on, are you still as optimistic about the takeover? happy with the decisions made so far? genuinely curious on your opinion.

[BurnleyFC]

We’ve certainly lost players and not added as many but we either need to significantly increase revenues or reduce that wage bill.

If we’re looking to reduce the wage bill this summer then we’ll be screwed.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If we’re looking to reduce the wage bill this summer then we’ll be screwed.

It’s already going to be slightly lower due to Brady, Dunne, Gibson leaving.

Could see stephens, Jay Rod and Barnes on the way to get more game time.

[KRBFC]

It’s already going to be slightly lower due to Brady, Dunne, Gibson leaving.

Could see stephens, Jay Rod and Barnes on the way to get more game time.

Stephens and Rodriguez are going nowhere, nobody in the Championship is paying 31 year old Rodriguez £50k per week (and that's before his expected pay rise).

Stephens has looked so off the pace, who is gonna fork out £38k per week in the Championship/League One? (again, before his expected pay rise)


Both have had rotten seasons, looked over the hill and way past their best, they're both on Premier League wages. For a little reference, according to Google, Brentford's highest earners are Raya, Pontus and Toney on £22,500- £25,000 per week. Do you think they're gonna see value paying Rodriguez 2x more than their very highest earners?

[ClaretTony]

6 months on, are you still as optimistic about the takeover? happy with the decisions made so far? genuinely curious on your opinion.

No opinion as yet to be honest. Time will tell I suppose but it will be very much dependent on them growing the commercial side.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Stephens and Rodriguez are going nowhere, nobody in the Championship is paying 31 year old Rodriguez £50k per week (and that's before his expected pay rise).

Stephens has looked so off the pace, who is gonna fork out £38k per week in the Championship/League One? (again, before his expected pay rise)


Both have had rotten seasons, looked over the hill and way past their best, they're both on Premier League wages. For a little reference, according to Google, Brentford's highest earners are Raya, Pontus and Toney on £22,500- £25,000 per week. Do you think they're gonna see value paying Rodriguez 2x more than their very highest earners?

I very much expect they would go out on loan with Burnley having to pay at least 50% of there wages.

[NewClaret]

I think we should ban incoming transfer threads this summer.

No money and can’t afford the wages even if we had some to spend.

Exciting times.

[Spijed]

do you mean a benevolent billionaire investor willing to sink hundreds of millions into the club, and a stadium that cost a quarter of the contract price because of an administration, without points deduction that allowed for promotion to the Premier League the following season - the two are disconnected but it is impossible to say that the current situation was not assisted greatly by the former

And let's not forget that Leicester City didn't think FFP should apply to them either:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/spor ... ay-1245291

Like Man City, they think they are above the rules.

[KRBFC]

I very much expect they would go out on loan with Burnley having to pay at least 50% of there wages.

Why would we pay Rodriguez £25,000 a week to play for someone else?

Our recruitment simply has to improve, we are ******* away alot of money on some average old players with no resale. Michael Keane/Tarkowski, great signings, young, relatively cheap and high potential. Where is the next Trippier? We are just flushing more resources down the toilet to pay 35 year old Bardsley £1,400,000 for another season.

recruitment under Dyche has worked and he's made very very good signings with little money but we now have several deadweight players simply stealing an incredibly generous living here.

[Chester Perry]

Pretty sure CP said that the first TV instalment amounted to £29m so wouldn’t explain the full £40m increase (although my maths was wrong, ~£11m not £15m - although presumably it would have been close to that figure if the season hadn’t been interrupted).

Accept CT’s points that last year must’ve been grim from
a revenue perspective, but with fans (expected) back in from next season and the previous TV deal secured for another 3 years, you’d expect we’ll have lower costs than 19/20 and similar revenues?

that number is not from me, I have speculated some minimum numbers, but research and analysis I am currently doing for an article for the London Clarets magazine suggest they may be quite a way off reality - all we know about the Premier League central payment schedule is this:

- it is given in 3 periodic instalments
- the first two payments are based on the equal share for all clubs, I am presuming that this is comprised of equal share of the domestic TV rights pot, the equal share of the commercial income and the £43.18m of equal share of the international rights (that is probably in excess of £85m) it could theoretically include the minimum facility fee as well (circa £12.2m) but I suspect not
- 1st instalment towards end of July before season commences and is thought to be the much larger of the first two payments (likely to be in excess of £45m maybe significantly so)
- 2nd instalment at the end of the January transfer window, the remainder of the equal share payment
- 3rd instalment at the end of the season, merit payments for final place (from both the domestic and international rights pots) and facilities fees for number of TV appearances
- payments of parachute payments saved as the scheduled recipients have returned to the Premier League before the parachute payments expired are distributed equally to all 20 teams and paid on the schedule that parachute payments are made.

If this understanding is correct then it is possible that the club only generated a low amount of additional cash, or even lost some in the 2019/20 season

[NewClaret]

that number is not from me, I have speculated some minimum numbers, but research and analysis I am currently doing for an article for the London Clarets magazine suggest they may be quite a way off reality - all we know about the Premier League central payment schedule is this:

- it is given in 3 periodic instalments
- the first two payments are based on the equal share for all clubs, I am presuming that this is comprised of equal share of the domestic TV rights pot, the equal share of the commercial income and the £43.18m of equal share of the international rights (that is probably in excess of £85m) it could theoretically include the minimum facility fee as well (circa £12.2m) but I suspect not
- 1st instalment towards end of July before season commences and is thought to be the much larger of the first two payments (likely to be in excess of £45m maybe significantly so)
- 2nd instalment at the end of the January transfer window, the remainder of the equal share payment
- 3rd instalment at the end of the season, merit payments for final place (from both the domestic and international rights pots) and facilities fees for number of TV appearances
- payments of parachute payments saved as the scheduled recipients have returned to the Premier League before the parachute payments expired are distributed equally to all 20 teams and paid on the schedule that parachute payments are made.

If this understanding is correct then it is possible that the club only generated a low amount of additional cash, or even lost some in the 2019/20 season

Fair enough. Sure I read somewhere it was estimated between £28-29m but stand corrected if it were a £45m instalment.

[Chester Perry]

And let's not forget that Leicester City didn't think FFP should apply to them either:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/spor ... ay-1245291

Like Man City, they think they are above the rules.

to be fair to the new owners, they have done a lot of good things (though those clackers should be banned) and the FSA for one appreciated that they refused to vote for final prices in the pay per view fiasco

[Chester Perry]

Fair enough. Sure I read somewhere it was estimated between £28-29m but stand corrected if it were a £45m instalment.

I do not know the actual sums this is a guess based on the very limited information available - it could be more, it could be less

[Hedontplayforyou]

do you mean a benevolent billionaire investor willing to sink hundreds of millions into the club, and a stadium that cost a quarter of the contract price because of an administration, without points deduction that allowed for promotion to the Premier League the following season - the two are disconnected but it is impossible to say that the current situation was not assisted greatly by the former

I was going more for the buying cheap selling huge scenario personally - examples being Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, Maguire, Chilwell. I’m well aware that we are way behind in monetary terms, however if there’s a way to go about things then the scouting / recruiting in that fashion is one way forward if done correctly

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why would we pay Rodriguez £25,000 a week to play for someone else?

Our recruitment simply has to improve, we are ******* away alot of money on some average old players with no resale. Michael Keane/Tarkowski, great signings, young, relatively cheap and high potential. Where is the next Trippier? We are just flushing more resources down the toilet to pay 35 year old Bardsley £1,400,000 for another season.

recruitment under Dyche has worked and he's made very very good signings with little money but we now have several deadweight players simply stealing an incredibly generous living here.

It’s fairly common in football, if the player is barely going to feature it at least reduces the amount we are paying. We did it a few seasons back with Wells.

[Chester Perry]

I was going more for the buying cheap selling huge scenario personally - examples being Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, Maguire, Chilwell. I’m well aware that we are way behind in monetary terms, however if there’s a way to go about things then the scouting / recruiting in that fashion is one way forward if done correctly

has to be paid for, and much of that was done in the Championship, hence the FFP post - They are of course still scouting and developing players well, but as you say very different on the finances - not many can spend a reputed £100m on a new combined training ground and Academy - they also have plans to expand the stadium too

[Jakubclaret]

Why would we pay Rodriguez £25,000 a week to play for someone else?

Our recruitment simply has to improve, we are ******* away alot of money on some average old players with no resale. Michael Keane/Tarkowski, great signings, young, relatively cheap and high potential. Where is the next Trippier? We are just flushing more resources down the toilet to pay 35 year old Bardsley £1,400,000 for another season.

recruitment under Dyche has worked and he's made very very good signings with little money but we now have several deadweight players simply stealing an incredibly generous living here.

Because the situation as changed, the bargains you could once get aren’t there or harder to find, if you don’t pay the going rate somebody else will.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think we should ban incoming transfer threads this summer.

No money and can’t afford the wages even if we had some to spend.

Exciting times.

Haha it looks like the optimism of new ownership is wearing thin.

You never know, they could take on more debt in the short term to sign players. With the knowledge they have genuine options to improve revenue.