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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 5:19 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
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Lampard failed at Derby and sacked at Chelsea! Perfect man for the CP job in my opinion.
How did he fail at Derby? he did well to even reach the playoffs...

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by duncandisorderly » Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm

i think there's a strong case for a palace relegation next year.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by tiger76 » Tue May 18, 2021 5:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:18 pm
I believe the club is bigger than all employees, I also believe football is just cycles, good and bad, highs and lows.
I will remain a fan of this club regardless of manager or division and I also believe no player/manager should be begged to stay, I want players/managers here, who want to be here.

The unfortunate part is the takeover has left us in huge debt, we desperately need PL football for a couple more years for the income which means we need to take the safest possible approach, beg and grovel for Dyche to remain for stability.

If Dyche is to go, I like Jokanovic, Benitez, Valerien Ismael, Lampard.
Jokanvic is being line up by the Blades, Benitez would be fantastic but possibly has bigger fish to fry, Ismael is an interesting shout he's worked wonders at Barnsley, but he has no PL experience, Lampard I can't see being interested in coming so far north, if we were to lose Dyche this summer, and that's still not certain then my top target would be Steven Gerrard, unfortunately I can't see leaving Rangers ATM, not for us anyway, of course if Liverpool were to come calling that's a different story.

Sooner or later SD will go, however as you rightly allude too we could ideally do with remaining in the PL for the next couple of seasons, at least until the debt has been cleared, so in that respect it would be a hammer blow to lose him at this critical junction.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 18, 2021 5:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:18 pm
I believe the club is bigger than all employees, I also believe football is just cycles, good and bad, highs and lows.
I will remain a fan of this club regardless of manager or division and I also believe no player/manager should be begged to stay, I want players/managers here, who want to be here.

The unfortunate part is the takeover has left us in huge debt, we desperately need PL football for a couple more years for the income which means we need to take the safest possible approach, beg and grovel for Dyche to remain for stability.

If Dyche is to go, I like Jokanovic, Benitez, Valerien Ismael, Lampard.
Benitez is an interesting one for Palace, as long as they have the budget - bags of experience and tactical nous - can't see him being relegated if heas the summer with them first

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by tiger76 » Tue May 18, 2021 5:38 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm
i think there's a strong case for a palace relegation next year.
Possibly! but you could equally say the same about Burnley and several others, and if we were to lose SD our relegation odds would soon shorten.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 18, 2021 5:40 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:36 pm
Sooner or later SD will go, however as you rightly allude too we could ideally do with remaining in the PL for the next couple of seasons, at least until the debt has been cleared, so in that respect it would be a hammer blow to lose him at this critical junction.
The problem there is that there is absolutely no indication that the owners are planning to pay down the debt, all the reports are that it is an interest only mortgage. There is also no indication that there is any plan in place to start paying the club back the money it loaned to Calder Vale/Velocity in the short or medium term

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Stayingup » Tue May 18, 2021 5:46 pm

Why would Sean go to Palace? Can't see a any good reason why. Sideways move and less autonomy. He's valued here.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by minnieclaret » Tue May 18, 2021 6:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:19 pm
How did he fail at Derby? he did well to even reach the playoffs...
Whilst he was the media darling for the first half of the season they were going to steamroller everybody put in front of them. Remember he had Wilson, Mount and Timori all on loan and all playing well. He was a failure for me.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:08 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:36 pm
Benitez is an interesting one for Palace, as long as they have the budget - bags of experience and tactical nous - can't see him being relegated if heas the summer with them first
He's interesting for us or Palace depending on what Dyche does. Isn't Dyche one of the top 10 highest paid managers in the league? or did I completely make that up. We are a pretty attractive club to a manager, we pay very well and we are one of the most established sides outside the ''big 6''. We are 11th/20th in terms of consecutive years in the PL.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:10 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:05 pm
Whilst he was the media darling for the first half of the season they were going to steamroller everybody put in front of them. Remember he had Wilson, Mount and Timori all on loan and all playing well. He was a failure for me.
You clearly aren't thinking straight, you don't like the way the media obsessed over him so you're using that to form an opinion on the job he did. That's call having an agenda, lets try to be more objective. Lampard reaching the playoff final with Derby is not a failure, go look at them since he left.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 18, 2021 6:15 pm

Derby's target has been promotion for years.

Lampard did better than a number of managers by getting to the play off final, but he still failed to achieve promotion so he was neither a success nor a failure, just meh.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 18, 2021 6:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:08 pm
He's interesting for us or Palace depending on what Dyche does. Isn't Dyche one of the top 10 highest paid managers in the league? or did I completely make that up. We are a pretty attractive club to a manager, we pay very well and we are one of the most established sides outside the ''big 6''. We are 11th/20th in terms of consecutive years in the PL.
He left Newcastle because they wouldn't bank roll him in the transfer market.
No chance of him coming here, end of discussion.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:18 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:40 pm
The problem there is that there is absolutely no indication that the owners are planning to pay down the debt, all the reports are that it is an interest only mortgage. There is also no indication that there is any plan in place to start paying the club back the money it loaned to Calder Vale/Velocity in the short or medium term
We are likely to run the debt up if anything and just cover the interest, right? Like the Glazers at United. What happens once we are relegated? how do we cover the interest? and how do they get their money back once they try to exit?

The finances behind this deal are shameful and I'm glad Gary Neville brought it up to Scudamore regarding the fit and proper test. Showing proof of funds with loans just shouldn't pass the test. We the club are saddled with this sh*t, ALK take no risk. If it goes wrong then its the club that suffers, ALK can scrape the barrel, sell the club for a loss without losing because they didn't buy the club with their money, they aren't running the club with their own money either.
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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:16 pm
He left Newcastle because they wouldn't bank roll him in the transfer market.
No chance of him coming here, end of discussion.
I don't think that's true at all, he managed them in the Championship while selling players. I'm sure he was used to not being bankrolled in the transfer window, he stuck around long enough. I think he left because of his relationship with Mike Ashley.

There isn't no chance, he said he wants to work in England again. He's out of work and was managing in China lol, if that doesn't say it all about his motives then nothing will.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 18, 2021 6:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:08 pm
He's interesting for us or Palace depending on what Dyche does. Isn't Dyche one of the top 10 highest paid managers in the league? or did I completely make that up. We are a pretty attractive club to a manager, we pay very well and we are one of the most established sides outside the ''big 6''. We are 11th/20th in terms of consecutive years in the PL.
When the deal was signed maybe, but some way from it now I would think - I suspect you have to be on more than £6m or £7m now to be in or around the top 10

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 18, 2021 6:25 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:08 pm
He's interesting for us or Palace depending on what Dyche does. Isn't Dyche one of the top 10 highest paid managers in the league? or did I completely make that up. We are a pretty attractive club to a manager, we pay very well and we are one of the most established sides outside the ''big 6''. We are 11th/20th in terms of consecutive years in the PL.
we are living in cloud cuckoo land here, zero chance we could attract Benitez unfortunately given the budget. He wanted to sign 700 players at Newcastle every transfer window :lol:

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:25 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:22 pm
When the deal was signed maybe, but some way from it now I would think - I suspect you have to be on more than £6m or £7m now to be in or around the top 10
Benitez was in the top 10 and he was paid £4.2m per year apparently, surely it hasn't moved on that much.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 18, 2021 6:26 pm

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Tue May 18, 2021 6:20 pm
I don't think that's true at all, he managed them in the Championship while selling players. I'm sure he was used to not being bankrolled in the transfer window, he stuck around long enough. I think he left because of his relationship with Mike Ashley.

There isn't no chance, he said he wants to work in England again. He's out of work and was managing in China lol, if that doesn't say it all about his motives then nothing will.
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Rafa wanted money to spend, more than Ashley was willing to give him.

Rafa is usually good for a season or 2 but he always needs /wants more and more money.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 18, 2021 6:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:20 pm
I don't think that's true at all, he managed them in the Championship while selling players. I'm sure he was used to not being bankrolled in the transfer window, he stuck around long enough. I think he left because of his relationship with Mike Ashley.

There isn't no chance, he said he wants to work in England again. He's out of work and was managing in China lol, if that doesn't say it all about his motives then nothing will.
Benitez had very public spats about having his way on transfers, particularly who could come in and go out, plus how much he could spend, he was not given any of that in the Premier League really - He was particularly disappointed to find they spent more getting out of the Championship than they did in their first season back in the Premier League (though that was down to bonuses - no relegation clauses would be my interpretation and yes the mind boggles)

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 18, 2021 6:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:18 pm
We are likely to run the debt up if anything and just cover the interest, right? Like the Glazers at United. What happens once we are relegated? how do we cover the interest? and how do they get their money back once they try to exit?

The finances behind this deal are shameful and I'm glad Gary Neville brought it up to Scudamore regarding the fit and proper test. Showing proof of funds with loans just shouldn't pass the test. We the club are saddled with this sh*t, ALK take no risk. If it goes wrong then its the club that suffers, ALK can scrape the barrel, sell the club for a loss without losing because they didn't buy the club with their money, they aren't running the club with their own money either.
Ha Gary Neville is in a glass house regarding club ownership.

Anyway, what's preferable, running a club at a massive loss with a wage bill higher than incomings like Brighton, or doing it our new way?
Brighton's debt is around £200 million, just like Bolton used to be and their wage bill is the problem.

If we keep our wage bill under control and increase revenues, the leveraged part doesn't really matter.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:25 pm
we are living in cloud cuckoo land here, zero chance we could attract Benitez unfortunately given the budget. He wanted to sign 700 players at Newcastle every transfer window :lol:
Given what budget? Newcastle paid Benitez pretty close to what we pay Dyche. Our net spend is likely higher than Newcastle's under Benitez over the same period of time.


https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/rafa-be ... n%20down.

Said it wasn't about the money, more the mentality and decisions. He said his idea was to challenge for the top 10, then top 8 etc. Frustrated over decisiveness.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue May 18, 2021 6:31 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:26 pm

Rafa is usually good for a season or 2 but he always needs /wants more and more money.
I reckon he's certainly gonna want more than we're said to want to splash.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:34 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Ha Gary Neville is in a glass house regarding club ownership.

Anyway, what's preferable, running a club at a massive loss with a wage bill higher than incomings like Brighton, or doing it our new way?
Brighton's debt is around £200 million, just like Bolton used to be and their wage bill is the problem.

If we keep our wage bill under control and increase revenues, the leveraged part doesn't really matter.
The preferable buyer would be someone buying their own shares not expecting the club to pay. I'm not comfortable with potentially unmanageable debt, at least at Brighton Tony Bloom has the funds to cover it if it all goes wrong. if it goes wrong here, it's the club that suffers not the owners.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:35 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:27 pm
Benitez had very public spats about having his way on transfers, particularly who could come in and go out, plus how much he could spend, he was not given any of that in the Premier League really - He was particularly disappointed to find they spent more getting out of the Championship than they did in their first season back in the Premier League (though that was down to bonuses - no relegation clauses would be my interpretation and yes the mind boggles)
I'll surrender on the Benitez one, I don't think he's that far out of our reach but happy to back down on this one. Maybe he has an attitude/ego problem, Ashley was spending nothing though.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by jojomk1 » Tue May 18, 2021 6:35 pm

Given the rebuilding job that's needed at Palace I would think they would want their new man (whoever he is) in place pretty much by the end of this season. That would then give some time to sort recruitment for the numerous ooc players they will need to replace.

Given the above scenario, it would not be easy for SD to make a decision if they came calling

I say that on the basis that SD may not have any concrete ideas on set recruitment budgets at Burnley, never mind Palace

It would be hard to pick from the two on that basis if Palace ask to speak to him

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 18, 2021 6:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:35 pm
I'll surrender on the Benitez one, I don't think he's that far out of our reach but happy to back down on this one. Maybe he has an attitude/ego problem, Ashley was spending nothing though.
Joelinton!! there are others too

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Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:44 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:40 pm
Joelinton!! there are others too
Was he not a Bruce signing? Ashley has certainly loosened the strings since Benitez has left.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 18, 2021 6:52 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:30 pm
Given what budget? Newcastle paid Benitez pretty close to what we pay Dyche. Our net spend is likely higher than Newcastle's under Benitez over the same period of time.


https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/rafa-be ... n%20down.

Said it wasn't about the money, more the mentality and decisions. He said his idea was to challenge for the top 10, then top 8 etc. Frustrated over decisiveness.
whether we can afford to pay Benitez isn't the issue, him wanting to sign players that we won't have the budget for is.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by DCWat » Tue May 18, 2021 7:06 pm

I’m amazed that a thread about Hodgson leaving Palace has resulted in such a debate about Benitez coming to Burnley.

For what it’s worth, my view would be that a manager whose ambitions were not met by Newcastle is unlikely to have them met by Burnley.

I don’t think Palace will go for Dyche and I think Dyche will be here next season and possibly / hopefully beyond that.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue May 18, 2021 7:09 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
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Knighthood minimum I would suggest tbh
Can you be Royalty and Knighted too?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 18, 2021 7:50 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:18 pm
We are likely to run the debt up if anything and just cover the interest, right? Like the Glazers at United. What happens once we are relegated? how do we cover the interest? and how do they get their money back once they try to exit?

The finances behind this deal are shameful and I'm glad Gary Neville brought it up to Scudamore regarding the fit and proper test. Showing proof of funds with loans just shouldn't pass the test. We the club are saddled with this sh*t, ALK take no risk. If it goes wrong then its the club that suffers, ALK can scrape the barrel, sell the club for a loss without losing because they didn't buy the club with their money, they aren't running the club with their own money either.

This is a great post. I am astounded that the league let this takeover go through.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue May 18, 2021 7:56 pm

Both of you have no idea regarding the finances involved and it’s been done to death. I’m convinced you are hoping they fail just to say I told you so.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue May 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Palace have said they want a ‘change of direction with a progressive attacking manager’. Reminiscent of the ambitions of Stoke, Bolton and Blackburn in not being careful for what you wish for. I think Woy will be a hard act to follow and Palace possible candidates for the drop next season.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by paulatky » Tue May 18, 2021 8:10 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 12:34 pm
If Palace don't come in for him and appoint Frank, will posters finally stop worrying to death about him leaving every 2 months?

Nobody has come in for him in his 8 years here yet.

Palace would sort of suit him but if they don't come in then there isn't a bigger club in the premier league that will.

Maybe a Celtic or Rangers if we get relegated.
You are forgetting Sunderland a few year’s back now.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 18, 2021 8:18 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 7:50 pm
This is a great post. I am astounded that the league let this takeover go through.
I'm sure Pace and ALK are great people with great intentions, sadly playing with big money you don't have is an enormous risk (in this case it's a risk all on the club)

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Stayingup » Tue May 18, 2021 8:19 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 2:41 pm
The last time Palace tried going for a more pleasing on the eye type of football with DeBoer it failed in part because the vast majority of players were neither suited for or convinced by it - This time the sheer numbers required to replenish the Palace squad gives them more flexibility, though still has issues with settling a team mentality and spirit - to me that sounds more like an experienced manager requirement, particularly one who has a reputation for quickly developing team spirit. too many of us that would put Dyche at the forefront of their thinking, particularly given Palace have previously showed that they are more committed to the now of Premier League membership rather than to a long term strategy, like Norwich and to a lesser extent ourselves.

It would suggest that going for a Lampard is not the likely approach. However, they have made significant moves on the Academy front, they have one of the richest pools of young talent in the country on their doorstep, and want to be at the forefront of bringing that talent to the Premier League, which suggests having a manager prepared to put young and talented players at the centre of his plans, but also a playing style that attracts those youngsters. There is also the fact that Palace have long held ground expansion plans, with quite a bit of added corporate hospitality, the kind of people that in the main want to see "attractive football". It could be argued that the large number of player contracts ending at the same time as the managers, shows that some real strategic planning has been put in place to have a proper go at changing style. That puts Lampard back in the frame, as it does with Howe, perhaps more so, though he is still being heavily linked with Celtic.

Dyche is admired by Palace that is well known, but I think strategically the signs are that Palace want to go in a different direction, they have an obsession with Brighton and this all echoes what they have done to a large extent. What they will do if it starts badly next season is the really interesting question, though by then you would expect the Dyche situation to be resolved one way or another with us.
They could get Harry Potter (thinking Brighton) to weave some magic!!!
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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Stayingup » Tue May 18, 2021 8:20 pm

Nah. Sideways move and not the pwer he has here.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue May 18, 2021 8:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:18 pm
I'm sure Pace and ALK are great people with great intentions, sadly playing with big money you don't have is an enormous risk (in this case it's a risk all on the club)
This is my concern. They come across as nice people and I’m sure they want to succeed, but no one seems to be talking about what if there plan doesn’t work and we are relegated?

I just wish they were more transparent, they have not said anything about paying off the debt or even where the funds are going to come from to move the club forward.

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Post by Stayingup » Tue May 18, 2021 8:23 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 1:03 pm
DA in his absolute element on here :lol:
Not really he can't be seen kneeling down!!!

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Stayingup » Tue May 18, 2021 8:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 1:36 pm
What a career Roy’s had. Worked internationally and at some top clubs such as Inter & Liverpool.
Not to mention a certain other team!!! He firts came to my attention in Sweden.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue May 18, 2021 8:31 pm

[quote=Newcastleclaret93 post_id=1563974 time=1621365747 user_id=480]
This is my concern. They come across as nice people and I’m sure they want to succeed, but no one seems to be talking about what if there plan doesn’t work and we are relegated?

I just wish they were more transparent, they have not said anything about paying off the debt or even where the funds are going to come from to move the club forward.
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Why worry about something totally out of your control? You posting about it on a daily basis multiple times will change nothing.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Tue May 18, 2021 8:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:18 pm
We are likely to run the debt up if anything and just cover the interest, right? Like the Glazers at United. What happens once we are relegated? how do we cover the interest? and how do they get their money back once they try to exit?

The finances behind this deal are shameful and I'm glad Gary Neville brought it up to Scudamore regarding the fit and proper test. Showing proof of funds with loans just shouldn't pass the test. We the club are saddled with this sh*t, ALK take no risk. If it goes wrong then its the club that suffers, ALK can scrape the barrel, sell the club for a loss without losing because they didn't buy the club with their money, they aren't running the club with their own money either.
Some things different to the United deal - a significant portion of their initial borrowings were payment-in-kind notes (PIK) with interest rolled up in new bonds (see how PIK's work here https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pikbond.asp)/ These and the other high interest loans taken out initially were at punitive rates because financiers were sceptical about football's ability to generate enough monies to cover the loans. It only took the Glazer a few years to persuade financiers otherwise and renegotiate new loans at much lower rates of interest, something they have don a couple of times since. The PIK's were very expensive to get out of though. It is well documented that Manchester United have paid out of £800m on loan financing since the takeover with less than £40m coming off the initial sum borrowed, that is what gets so many angry, understandably so.

From what we can tell our loans are not so punitive as those and while initial payments and fees may be rolled up in the interest, equally they may not be, there appears to be no minimum payment guarantee.

The loan is currently thought to be for circa £60m or roughly 45% of last years turnover (and probably less than 55% of this seasons revenues) - in business terms that is quite a low gearing, our club has a track record of generating enough cash to cover the cost of servicing the interest, before the new owners business plan has been activated and the expected revenue gains come into play.

The loan agreement has specific clauses within it that address the situation should we get relegated - effectively a greater tightening of the belt

I am on record as not liking the deal, yes the risk is laden on the club, but given the laws of the land nothing has been done illegally and I strongly suspect that the Premier League had no recourse to prevent it, and as a member owned group would not put such a measure in place. or that such a measure would stand up to legal scrutiny in court.

In the end the key determiners of the validity of Pace's business plan are MSD (who have effectively financed it and the previous board, who sold the club on the understanding of what was to happen, whatever the other circumstances around the sale.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue May 18, 2021 8:45 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:10 pm
You are forgetting Sunderland a few year’s back now.
I didn't know about it.

Just going off what Garlick said in an interview, that no club had ever come in for Dyche.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 18, 2021 8:50 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:10 pm
You are forgetting Sunderland a few year’s back now.
All but gone to Sunderland before Advocaat changed his mind and decided to stay.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 18, 2021 9:25 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 6:34 pm
The preferable buyer would be someone buying their own shares not expecting the club to pay. I'm not comfortable with potentially unmanageable debt, at least at Brighton Tony Bloom has the funds to cover it if it all goes wrong. if it goes wrong here, it's the club that suffers not the owners.
Eddie had it covered at Bolton, but the cause of the debt was the issue and that was the wage bill.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue May 18, 2021 9:34 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:50 pm
All but gone to Sunderland before Advocaat changed his mind and decided to stay.
Rings a bell now.

Was it after our relegation from the premier league?

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue May 18, 2021 9:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:19 pm
How did he fail at Derby? he did well to even reach the playoffs...
They had finished in the Play Offs the previous season as well.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 18, 2021 10:13 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 9:34 pm
Rings a bell now.

Was it after our relegation from the premier league?
Yes, 2015. Big Dik had said he wasn’t staying but then changed his mind.

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Re: Roy Quits Palace

Post by Local cricketer » Tue May 18, 2021 10:44 pm

I believe Alan Pace thinks he can increase the commercial income to 40 million a year hence the change in commercial manager.

By my basic maths that could well fund at least one new signing a season if not more

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