Re: Tarky to stay.
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:38 pm
Mings didn’t have a bad game on Sunday but Tarks must be sat at home wondering how the hell he is in the team in front of him!
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Mings didn’t have a bad game on Sunday but Tarks must be sat at home wondering how the hell he is in the team in front of him!
Mings is a better athlete better on the ball quicker and a better defender in a higher blockPaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:38 pmMings didn’t have a bad game on Sunday but Tarks must be sat at home wondering how the hell he is in the team in front of him!
We had that chance & it went by when he had the suspected injured toe, we won’t get that chance again not for the same money offered, it’s different this time not long left on contract & the interest isn’t the same, clubs are prepared to wait rather than offer what we think he’s worth.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:32 pmLeicester have failed twice now due to injuries to get into the CL
They'd pay that I think for Tarks, but its whether its what he wants and what we want
My opinion is that we sell to be honest if the offer comes in
It’s just as well we let that ‘chance’ slip by, because we’d as sure as hell have been relegated if we did.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:55 pmWe had that chance & it went by when he had the suspected injured toe, we won’t get that chance again not for the same money offered, it’s different this time not long left on contract & the interest isn’t the same, clubs are prepared to wait rather than offer what we think he’s worth.
Venkys are wanting 25m for Armstrong who has one great season in the championship of any note and only a year left on his contract.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:55 pmWe had that chance & it went by when he had the suspected injured toe, we won’t get that chance again not for the same money offered, it’s different this time not long left on contract & the interest isn’t the same, clubs are prepared to wait rather than offer what we think he’s worth.
What venkys want & what venkys get are 2 totally different things, I reckon Armstrongs true valuation is roughly about 15m & I think when tarks goes it’ll be somewhere around 20m he’s not far off 30 years old, he wants to leave & most importantly as only 1 year left on his contract, sell him & snap Collins up & you’ve got 5mil & a player who is 8 years younger he isn’t as good now but could potentially become better than JT. Probably not 5 mil when you factor in Brentford but still gaining a younger player.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:07 pmVenkys are wanting 25m for Armstrong who has one great season in the championship of any note and only a year left on his contract.
If any side wants Tarky, which it sounds like two are trying. They will pay at least 25.
Pure conjecture.Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:13 pmyet, if we had him in our side, we'd have been relegated
You said it like it's some kind of fact, I've heard nobody suggest Tarkowski should be starting for England over Mings, the only people in football who mention Tarkowski for England are people on here and alot of those people have quickly silenced on that ambitious biased front. Villa's defence was better than ours last season and they play a far more attacking open style than us. Any type of 1v1 defending and he backs off nonstop, Saint Maximim destroyed him. He's very good defending in his own box and defending crosses, very limited otherwise.Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:13 pmyet, if we had him in our side, we'd have been relegated
True
And Villa's goalkeeper probably had more to do than oursKRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:47 amYou said it like it's some kind of fact, I've heard nobody suggest Tarkowski should be starting for England over Mings, the only people in football who mention Tarkowski for England are people on here and alot of those people have quickly silenced on that ambitious biased front. Villa's defence was better than ours last season and they play a far more attacking open style than us. Any type of 1v1 defending and he backs off nonstop, Saint Maximim destroyed him. He's very good defending in his own box and defending crosses, very limited otherwise.
Horrific with the ball at his feet and athletically he’s incredibly limited he backs off so much one v one because he’s terrified of the ball in behind himHbclaret007 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:06 am"He's very good defending in his own box and defending crosses, very limited otherwise." - Very limited?? Really??
He's prone to occasional mistakes. Perhaps he has to do more defending than other centre halves in this division, hence the chances of error increases.
He's a very good defender and I'm sure he will do well wherever he goes. A big hole to fill here when he leaves.
Disagree Beddie. Pope dominates the goal, and the defenders. His height, positioning and handling are all superior than Pickford for me. As a former centre half I’d be much happier with Pope behind me than Pickford. Yes Pickford is better with his feet… but for me that is about the only part of his game that he beats Pope.
Wow. You really don't rate Tarky do you?
Pope is far superior to Pickford in goalkeeping standards, the thing Pickford has is better distribution and a better first touch, neither are faultless though and he quite often spunks a ball out of play or shanks it to the opposition, his first touch has also got him in to problems aswell. That's the game these days though and that's unfortunate for pope as statistically he is a better goalkeeper from the old fashioned goalkeeping perspective.beddie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:41 pmOn what would you base your facts that Pope deserves to be ahead of Pickford. Far better keeper is Pickford and he knows how to use his feet. I’m not on here to criticise Pope I’m just giving my opinion. I omitted to add “Tarky to stay” not a chance, I imagine his suitcase is already packed, he’s just waiting for the call.
Raggus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:03 pmWow. You really don't rate Tarky do you?
Name any central defender in a 1v1 that doesn't back off,it's how you should do it to try and nick it from a heavy touch, diving in early is defending suicide. Name any central defender not worried by pace? Although Tarky has his limitations, he is a good footballer and a fantastic defender and will go on to prove it at another club higher up the league as he has at Burnley.
Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham, Southampton were all games late in the season where our defence, Tarks included, sounded the retreat when the opposition ventured into our half which led to us conceding a goal....Raggus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:03 pmWow. You really don't rate Tarky do you?
Name any central defender in a 1v1 that doesn't back off,it's how you should do it to try and nick it from a heavy touch, diving in early is defending suicide. Name any central defender not worried by pace? Although Tarky has his limitations, he is a good footballer and a fantastic defender and will go on to prove it at another club higher up the league as he has at Burnley.
Raggus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:03 pmWow. You really don't rate Tarky do you?
Name any central defender in a 1v1 that doesn't back off,it's how you should do it to try and nick it from a heavy touch, diving in early is defending suicide. Name any central defender not worried by pace? Although Tarky has his limitations, he is a good footballer and a fantastic defender and will go on to prove it at another club higher up the league as he has at Burnley.
You are now officially a knob. I read the post and before looking top left I thought KRBFC. You are entitled to your opinion but as ALL your opinions are Claret negative I’ll ignore them.
I rate him in Dyche's system, there are plenty of times he's shown himself not to be that great in a more open system. Without the cover of the midfield infront of him Saint Maximin destroyed him, was pretty embarrassing the way Tark backed up 50 yards terrified of ASM. As for not worried by pace, the very best in the business don't care, they push the defensive line forward and compact spaces to make it easier for the attack. A good footballer? Are we talking about Tarkowski here? every time he gets the ball he either does the worlds slowest cruyff turn or a Gerrard style 70 yard diagonal into the stands. A fantastic defender in Dyche's system, whenever we've opened up a little the defence has looked very vulnerable and not quite as good individually. I look forward to seeing Tarkowski captain Barcelona though, what a truly great player!Raggus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:03 pmWow. You really don't rate Tarky do you?
Name any central defender in a 1v1 that doesn't back off,it's how you should do it to try and nick it from a heavy touch, diving in early is defending suicide. Name any central defender not worried by pace? Although Tarky has his limitations, he is a good footballer and a fantastic defender and will go on to prove it at another club higher up the league as he has at Burnley.
You didn't ignore it though, did you? If rating Mings higher than Tarkowski makes me a knob, I guess the majority of pundits and Southgate are knobs too. As for all my opinions are negative, you completely fabricated that. Keep crying tho!!minnieclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:55 pmYou are now officially a knob. I read the post and before looking top left I thought KRBFC. You are entitled to your opinion but as ALL your opinions are Claret negative I’ll ignore them.
Don't recall saying he would captain Barcelona, so we'll done for that one.KRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:42 pmI rate him in Dyche's system, there are plenty of times he's shown himself not to be that great in a more open system. Without the cover of the midfield infront of him Saint Maximin destroyed him, was pretty embarrassing the way Tark backed up 50 yards terrified of ASM. As for not worried by pace, the very best in the business don't care, they push the defensive line forward and compact spaces to make it easier for the attack. A good footballer? Are we talking about Tarkowski here? every time he gets the ball he either does the worlds slowest cruyff turn or a Gerrard style 70 yard diagonal into the stands. A fantastic defender in Dyche's system, whenever we've opened up a little the defence has looked very vulnerable and not quite as good individually. I look forward to seeing Tarkowski captain Barcelona though, what a truly great player!
No irony in someone as weak as you calling others for crying
It's simple, Silky.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:07 pmWhat's a higher block? Is it like exponential, always there but never fully explained?
Hope he can do a Cruyff turn, pass it at least 70 yards and most especially do a high block. Oh, and for Christ's sake get out of that bloody penalty area.
Exactly he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, where Tarks is the oppositeWoodleyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:21 pmMings is complete shite
Very poor in the air and weak defensive awareness but hes a media pick which Tarks with his superior quality never will be .
Technically poor, slow on the turn, dubious positionally out of a low block.Hbclaret007 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:06 am"He's very good defending in his own box and defending crosses, very limited otherwise." - Very limited?? Really??
He's prone to occasional mistakes. Perhaps he has to do more defending than other centre halves in this division, hence the chances of error increases.
He's a very good defender and I'm sure he will do well wherever he goes. A big hole to fill here when he leaves.
This shows that neither of understand football outside of the ‘Burnley Bubble’ (Tm: Claret Tinted, 2021)Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:13 pmExactly he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, where Tarks is the opposite
It’s your engagement/trigger points that are pre determined by the coaching set up…Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:07 pmWhat's a higher block? Is it like exponential, always there but never fully explained?
Mings wants to stfu and concentrate on his footballClaret_tinted wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:50 pmThis shows that neither of understand football outside of the ‘Burnley Bubble’ (Tm: Claret Tinted, 2021)
Is he not a professional footballer who is representing his country at the Euro championships?
He should stick to his football and leave out the politicsClaret_tinted wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:52 pmIs he not a professional footballer who is representing his country at the Euro championships?
Or are you saying he shouldn’t be discussing BLM?
Why can’t he do both? Should he not use his platform to promote positive change?Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:04 pmHe should stick to his football and leave out the politics
Ah, right. I never knew that.Claret_tinted wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:59 pmIt’s your engagement/trigger points that are pre determined by the coaching set up…
High block: Liverpool: edge of the opposition 18 yard box or when there is a miss control. Liverpool generally set up to ‘force’ the ball into a full back and then swarm. This results in a turnover in behind the midfield, or a lumped ball into a channel that VD picks up.
Mid block: United: 70% of the pitch or when there is a miss control. United deploy high forwards whose job it is is to funnel the ball into CB’s who carry it into midfield. The play with two anchors to create a packed centre of the pitch and get turnovers via interceptions.
Low block: Burnley: half way line (if not deeper) We play with our CB’s on the 18 yard box and allow teams to switch it in front of the two banks of four. There’s little/no space in behind the CB’s so it’s congested and players don’t have to make lung busting runs to cover space. It’s a 5-10 yard run which means the can sustain a higher level of intensity for longer or be ‘Dyche Fit’