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Whats the feeling on here re Robbie-whether he stays or goes. The stats from the local media show only 21 starts since his injury in 2017. This season he has only started a handful of games and as we know is still injured today. Apparently we are no closer knowing how his contract will go this Summer
Two things annoy me. Firstly that he appears to be permanently injured but come the Internationals and he suddenly becomes available and often gets injured again before returning to us. Secondly when he does play , just like JBG, he plays on the right with Dwight remaining on the left. For an international player he has no right foot so his attacking contribution when we break in getting the ball crossed low or high into the penalty area is non existent.
For me I got excited about his signing. We have not had value for money, only because he has been so unfortunate with injuries-but can we really justify keeping him on our payroll for another 2-3 years. Personally I think he needs to find another club, and his wage goes to replace him with a right footed winger, even if it means getting an ooc player or a loan such as James at Man Utd
Two things annoy me. Firstly that he appears to be permanently injured but come the Internationals and he suddenly becomes available and often gets injured again before returning to us. Secondly when he does play , just like JBG, he plays on the right with Dwight remaining on the left. For an international player he has no right foot so his attacking contribution when we break in getting the ball crossed low or high into the penalty area is non existent.
For me I got excited about his signing. We have not had value for money, only because he has been so unfortunate with injuries-but can we really justify keeping him on our payroll for another 2-3 years. Personally I think he needs to find another club, and his wage goes to replace him with a right footed winger, even if it means getting an ooc player or a loan such as James at Man Utd
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Re: Brady
Time he went and we find someone younger, less injury prone etc.
He's lost form and most definitely fitness.
We were good to him and done what we can but he's no longer at the required standard
He's lost form and most definitely fitness.
We were good to him and done what we can but he's no longer at the required standard
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Re: Brady
I think I am in your campGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:23 amTime he went and we find someone younger, less injury prone etc.
He's lost form and most definitely fitness.
We were good to him and done what we can but he's no longer at the required standard
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Re: Brady
Sadly can't see him appearing in a Burnley shirt again.
We got a short window of brilliance when his form and fitness came together and he was one of the best players I've had the pleasure to see in a Burnley shirt.
We got a short window of brilliance when his form and fitness came together and he was one of the best players I've had the pleasure to see in a Burnley shirt.
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Re: Brady
Agree with this but that didn’t stop at Brady. I think JBG falls into this category as well. Possibly Barnes and Jay but I can’t see this two goingGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:23 amTime he went and we find someone younger, less injury prone etc.
He's lost form and most definitely fitness.
We were good to him and done what we can but he's no longer at the required standard
Re: Brady
I think it's time he moved on now, but it really is all about whether things will change this summer and we'll find a way to recruit. We can't afford to let him go if a replacement won't be forthcoming.
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Re: Brady
We need a driver, not a passenger. Unfortunately, he's not the only passenger.
I can see a clear out coming.
We finished the Liverpool game with an average age on the pitch of over 30. That's not sustainable.
I can see a clear out coming.
We finished the Liverpool game with an average age on the pitch of over 30. That's not sustainable.
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Re: Brady
If it was not for his injury record I would agree. Can we afford to outlay £40/£50k a week for another handful of appearances, and then continue to play him on the right where he is ineffective. JBG can do this if really necessary
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Re: Brady
I got shot down yesterday for suggesting we had an aging team and needed replacements,some on here think that team of aging players are going to keep us in this league....thing is they arn't ....im with you a clear out is needed....it wont happen toughGordaleman wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:35 amWe need a driver, not a passenger. Unfortunately, he's not the only passenger.
I can see a clear out coming.
We finished the Liverpool game with an average age on the pitch of over 30. That's not sustainable.
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Re: Brady
With you on this, but I think there will be some middle ground ie Cork, Rodriguez, Barnes, Peacock Farrell, Stephensl become squad players and we recruit a No2 keeper, a back up CH, at least one central midfielder, a RW and new striker. This would involve getting several good OOC players and a loan to keep the expenditure down
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Re: Brady
Ideally not, but then again I don't think we can afford to go into a season with our only recognised wide options as McNeil and JBG.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:37 amIf it was not for his injury record I would agree. Can we afford to outlay £40/£50k a week for another handful of appearances, and then continue to play him on the right where he is ineffective. JBG can do this if really necessary
If we think we're going to be able to bring someone in to replace him though, then I think it's time he left.
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Re: Brady
If he stays, it doesn't bode well for our future.
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Re: Brady
This is where Sean's loyalty gets the better of him. Loyalty is great, but when it affects the team's performance, it's being taken too far. Football is after all, a business, and sometimes in business, difficult decisions have to be taken. Now is one of those times.
Kieran Trippier is one of my all time favorite players, and he has expressed a desire to play for Sean again. He's 31 in September though, so much as I'd like to see him come 'Home', it's probably not a good idea.
Re: Brady
Yet JBG was offered an extended contract some months ago for another two years after this
Barnes and Cork contracted to 2022 with the option to extend
Westwood contracted to 2023
Lowton, Norris and Long two more years also
The ageing squad is being extended
Is this the plan of Dyche or just the fact that he isn't so confident in our recruitment budget/process to replace these people
Brady is the only senior player who is not contracted after this summer out of a squad of 22 (which doesn't include youngsters like Dunne, who is also ooc and Benson)
If he does go and everyone else stays, hopefully including Tarkowski, just can't see many incomings at all given our current wage budget and new debts
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Re: Brady
I don’t think / hope it’s not even a consideration. It’s best for both parties if he moves on. Hopefully we have a good up and coming identified with some real pace that we could make a profit on, down the line.
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Re: Brady
It’d be an absolute disgrace if he was to be offered another contract.
What a waste of a wage and £10,000,000 or whatever it was we blew on this piece of garbage.
What a waste of a wage and £10,000,000 or whatever it was we blew on this piece of garbage.
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Re: Brady
The point about the contract extensions can be where the club can’t win with some people. Don’t extend e.g. Hendrick and get criticised. Extend to give us continuity and protect our assets and get criticised by some of the same people. And of course just because a player has extended his contract doesn’t mean he will stay until the end of it.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:59 amYet JBG was offered an extended contract some months ago for another two years after this
Barnes and Cork contracted to 2022 with the option to extend
Westwood contracted to 2023
Lowton, Norris and Long two more years also
The ageing squad is being extended
Is this the plan of Dyche or just the fact that he isn't so confident in our recruitment budget/process to replace these people
Brady is the only senior player who is not contracted after this summer out of a squad of 22 (which doesn't include youngsters like Dunne, who is also ooc and Benson)
If he does go and everyone else stays, hopefully including Tarkowski, just can't see many incomings at all given our current wage budget and new debts
On Brady I would certainly let him go. We obviously need some new players but wholesale changes or a clear out could be disruptive and damaging. Balance is needed.
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Re: Brady
Just because players have contracts, doesn't mean they can't be sold. They can, and being under contract assures us of a better price if they do leave.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 10:59 amYet JBG was offered an extended contract some months ago for another two years after this
Barnes and Cork contracted to 2022 with the option to extend
Westwood contracted to 2023
Lowton, Norris and Long two more years also
The ageing squad is being extended
Is this the plan of Dyche or just the fact that he isn't so confident in our recruitment budget/process to replace these people
Brady is the only senior player who is not contracted after this summer out of a squad of 22 (which doesn't include youngsters like Dunne, who is also ooc and Benson)
If he does go and everyone else stays, hopefully including Tarkowski, just can't see many incomings at all given our current wage budget and new debts
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Re: Brady
We surely cannot even be contemplating giving him another contract ?
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Re: Brady
Thats what happened this season-it cost us £2m plus in wages and has started a handful of games. He is more attractive to a club OOC. If he signed a new contract I suspect no one will come in for himGordaleman wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:06 amJust because players have contracts, doesn't mean they can't be sold. They can, and being under contract assures us of a better price if they do leave.
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Re: Brady
Calling him garbage is a bit harsh....he didnt want to be injured you do know that don't you?djemba-djemba wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:01 amIt’d be an absolute disgrace if he was to be offered another contract.
What a waste of a wage and £10,000,000 or whatever it was we blew on this piece of garbage.
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Re: Brady
We need to take a look at the squad, especially the older players who are starting to have more time in the physio room.
Brady is not the only one who spends to much time out injured, the same can now be said about Barnes, Cork, Gudmundson and Bardsley, all these players need now replacing with younger models
Brady is not the only one who spends to much time out injured, the same can now be said about Barnes, Cork, Gudmundson and Bardsley, all these players need now replacing with younger models
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Re: Brady
Thought he'd already left!
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Re: Brady
You are talking about Brady, I was talking generally about all players.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:18 amThats what happened this season-it cost us £2m plus in wages and has started a handful of games. He is more attractive to a club OOC. If he signed a new contract I suspect no one will come in for him
I'm sure Brady will leave this summer, and as I'm sure you already know, I won't miss him.
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Re: Brady
Always interesting to see people reel off a list of players that are of a certain age, complaining about squad age and wanting it lowering whilst appearing completely oblivious to the fact Dyche gets rid of players when they can no longer do the job he expects of them, hence the departures of players like Boyd, Jones, Marney etc.
We won't make massive changes, it will be gradual so it doesn't damage the harmony in the squad.
We won't make massive changes, it will be gradual so it doesn't damage the harmony in the squad.
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Re: Brady
Brady needs to go, he's in the treatment room far too often now, and in our financial position we simply can't afford to be forking out wages on a guy who's not available for selection, and he's not offered very much in the past 3 seasons since his unfortunate Injury at Leicester.
No he doesn't choose to be side-lined, but equally BFC isn't a charity either, and we've definitely not had value for money with Robbie Brady both in terms of transfer fee and wages, so time to cut our losses now, I was surprised we offered him an extension last season TBH, but I can appreciate the circumstances we were operating in then.
No he doesn't choose to be side-lined, but equally BFC isn't a charity either, and we've definitely not had value for money with Robbie Brady both in terms of transfer fee and wages, so time to cut our losses now, I was surprised we offered him an extension last season TBH, but I can appreciate the circumstances we were operating in then.
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Re: Brady
On his day, one of our most gifted players.. sadly those days don't come round enough
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Re: Brady
If he would take £10k a week or a pay as you play deal then he's worth another year. Otherwise it's time to make way for somebody else. We don't have the luxury of paying Premier league wages for players that can't get themselves fit.
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No, he really isn’t.what_no_pies wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:17 pmIf he would take £10k a week or a pay as you play deal then he's worth another year.
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Re: Brady
I wouldn't even entertain keeping him on those terms, we've already got Stephens who's offered little as is on big money, unfortunately we're stuck with him for another year, but Brady we do have a chance to get off the wage bill. and we need to take that opportunity, and get some younger blood injected into our ageing squad.what_no_pies wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:17 pmIf he would take £10k a week or a pay as you play deal then he's worth another year. Otherwise it's time to make way for somebody else. We don't have the luxury of paying Premier league wages for players that can't get themselves fit.
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Nope, still not worth it.what_no_pies wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:17 pmIf he would take £10k a week or a pay as you play deal then he's worth another year. Otherwise it's time to make way for somebody else. We don't have the luxury of paying Premier league wages for players that can't get themselves fit.
Time to find a fresh player
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It's not just about what the club want but also what the player wants
Hendrick was offered a new contract but didn't want to sign, hence his "Free"
Brady has been offered a new contract some while back that he didn't sign - he could be his decision to walk away
Tarks has been offered a new deal which he is not prepared to sign
Hendrick was offered a new contract but didn't want to sign, hence his "Free"
Brady has been offered a new contract some while back that he didn't sign - he could be his decision to walk away
Tarks has been offered a new deal which he is not prepared to sign
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Well Hendrick for all his faults was at least a virtual ever present, whereas Brady has barely kicked a ball for us in 3 years now.taio wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:06 amThe point about the contract extensions can be where the club can’t win with some people. Don’t extend e.g. Hendrick and get criticised. Extend to give us continuity and protect our assets and get criticised by some of the same people. And of course just because a player has extended his contract doesn’t mean he will stay until the end of it.
On Brady I would certainly let him go. We obviously need some new players but wholesale changes or a clear out could be disruptive and damaging. Balance is needed.
Regarding wholesale changes that's risky in a single window, but this problem has been brewing for several windows now, and the previous board didn't take action to alleviate these issues, hence why we now potentially face a large turnover, or an ageing squad in decline, which if we'd have been recruiting 1 or 2 quality signings every year could have been avoided.
If we can keep hold of our mainstays then 2-3 signings in this window should be enough for now, but we also face the prospect of a number of 1st teamers being out of contract next summer also, so sooner or later we'll have to make decisions on their futures, or face a similar dilemma in 12 months time.
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I wasn't on about Brady - I said he should leave - I was on about contracts generally.tiger76 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:40 pmWell Hendrick for all his faults was at least a virtual ever present, whereas Brady has barely kicked a ball for us in 3 years now.
Regarding wholesale changes that's risky in a single window, but this problem has been brewing for several windows now, and the previous board didn't take action to alleviate these issues, hence why we now potentially face a large turnover, or an ageing squad in decline, which if we'd have been recruiting 1 or 2 quality signings every year could have been avoided.
If we can keep hold of our mainstays then 2-3 signings in this window should be enough for now, but we also face the prospect of a number of 1st teamers being out of contract next summer also, so sooner or later we'll have to make decisions on their futures, or face a similar dilemma in 12 months time.
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100% time to go
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Re: Brady
I would suggest those days are well behind him.Woonderbah wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:03 pmOn his day, one of our most gifted players.. sadly those days don't come round enough
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Re: Brady
Brady played well when he got a run earlier in the season. Then came the Achilles injury and that’s a bad one to get.
Good player but it doesn’t matter how good he is when he’s not fit to play. He’s in a very difficult place now should we release him. It will be difficult for him to find a new club if he’s injured.
Good player but it doesn’t matter how good he is when he’s not fit to play. He’s in a very difficult place now should we release him. It will be difficult for him to find a new club if he’s injured.
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Dyche has a habit of looking after players so he might keep him on.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:44 pmBrady played well when he got a run earlier in the season. Then came the Achilles injury and that’s a bad one to get.
Good player but it doesn’t matter how good he is when he’s not fit to play. He’s in a very difficult place now should we release him. It will be difficult for him to find a new club if he’s injured.
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Those expecting in contract players to be shown the door, are likely to be in for a rude awakening - most would only be of interest ot Championship clubs, if they are fringe/squad players here. The Championship has a bit of a problem this summer where even taking players on a free will see them struggling to match wages
- So what is the problem for the Championship? they have to pay up the tax bills that they have deferred for the last 15+ months, and the EFL has taken out a loan with an American Private Equity company to help them (set-up fees and interest paid by the Premier League) some clubs are borrowing in excess of £10m which is more than they would normally spend net in a transfer window
- The wages will also be a issue if we are using players in makeweight deals for Championship players, though adding a youngster or two on loan with a wage share may help
- So what is the problem for the Championship? they have to pay up the tax bills that they have deferred for the last 15+ months, and the EFL has taken out a loan with an American Private Equity company to help them (set-up fees and interest paid by the Premier League) some clubs are borrowing in excess of £10m which is more than they would normally spend net in a transfer window
- The wages will also be a issue if we are using players in makeweight deals for Championship players, though adding a youngster or two on loan with a wage share may help
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The injury is a very valid point. If we renew his contract we end up paying his wages whilst being injured, and no guarantee we get any game time. Puts the club in a stronger situation than with Hendrick. I suppose we could offer him a short contract on lesser terms. It seems fairly unanimous on here though that the conclusion is to let him go with our best wishes. As I said in the opening post he seems to have made himself available and fit for internationals and come back more often than not with a new or recurring injury, and we have suffered but continued to pay himClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:44 pmBrady played well when he got a run earlier in the season. Then came the Achilles injury and that’s a bad one to get.
Good player but it doesn’t matter how good he is when he’s not fit to play. He’s in a very difficult place now should we release him. It will be difficult for him to find a new club if he’s injured.
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Hasn’t made himself available for internationals - no option when called up.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:58 pmThe injury is a very valid point. If we renew his contract we end up paying his wages whilst being injured, and no guarantee we get any game time. Puts the club in a stronger situation than with Hendrick. I suppose we could offer him a short contract on lesser terms. It seems fairly unanimous on here though that the conclusion is to let him go with our best wishes. As I said in the opening post he seems to have made himself available and fit for internationals and come back more often than not with a new or recurring injury, and we have suffered but continued to pay him
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What happens if a player is injured while on international duty?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 pmHasn’t made himself available for internationals - no option when called up.
If a player is injured on international duty, the medical staff involved with the national team will send reports directly to the player’s club doctors, stating the nature of the injury and any action taken.
If the injury is deemed minor by the national team medical staff and the national team has another match during the period the squad is together, it is up to the national team to whether the player plays in the match. The club can make their feelings clear on the matter, but the final decision rests with the national team.
When this situation arises, and the player aggravates the injury further, the tension between domestic clubs and international clubs becomes more apparent.
Compensation
Following agreements between FIFA, UEFA and the European Clubs Association (ECA), when players are injured on international duty during major tournaments, the national governing body will be required to compensate the club which the player plays for.
This rule only applies, however, to injuries suffered in the final stages of an international football tournament. Therefore, if an England player is injured during the qualifying stages of the World Cup, the FA does not have to compensate the domestic club.
The World Cup tournament takes place English domestic game’s off-season, whereas the qualifiers take place during the domestic season. This mean any injury picked up during the qualifying stages will hit the club much harder – because they club will have lost a valued player and no compensation will be payable.
Furthermore, where a player suffers a career-threatening injury while training with their national team – such as happened to West Ham player Dean Ashton during training, a day before his England debut – clubs must carry on paying the player’s wages while they are out injured but will not be eligible for any compensation.
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Unfortunately it has generally been downhill since scoring that free kick against Chelsea.
Aside from that little spell of form pre injury he consistently failed to put in a decent corner or free kick and rarely got near the goal with a direct free kick.
So much was expected of Robbie but it just never happened. I think that first big injury affected him mentally and he hasn't overcome that.
A great shame because you know he wants to produce better form.
Aside from that little spell of form pre injury he consistently failed to put in a decent corner or free kick and rarely got near the goal with a direct free kick.
So much was expected of Robbie but it just never happened. I think that first big injury affected him mentally and he hasn't overcome that.
A great shame because you know he wants to produce better form.
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I don’t think it’s been downhill since that goal. In the following season he was a major influence in the team until the injury.JohnMac wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:19 pmUnfortunately it has generally been downhill since scoring that free kick against Chelsea.
Aside from that little spell of form pre injury he consistently failed to put in a decent corner or free kick and rarely got near the goal with a direct free kick.
So much was expected of Robbie but it just never happened. I think that first big injury affected him mentally and he hasn't overcome that.
A great shame because you know he wants to produce better form.
He got fit eventually, found Dwight McNeil in his way and has since had two years of injuries. A lot have been calf/hamstring injuries and that often happens after a long lay off. This more recent one though can be a bad one. It ended Jon Walters’ career and ruined Matt Taylor’s first season.
Wherever he is next season I hope he can get himself fit and playing regularly.
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I agree with his form pre injury, he looked as if was going to become our best player but imo his deadball play for a perceived specialist has been very poor throughout.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:23 pmI don’t think it’s been downhill since that goal. In the following season he was a major influence in the team until the injury.
He got fit eventually, found Dwight McNeil in his way and has since had two years of injuries. A lot have been calf/hamstring injuries and that often happens after a long lay off. This more recent one though can be a bad one. It ended Jon Walters’ career and ruined Matt Taylor’s first season.
Wherever he is next season I hope he can get himself fit and playing regularly.
Maybe my judgement is biased because we have so many players now that do it consistently well.
I like Robbie too and wish him well like all our players.