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Re: Our summer window.
I think this summer if we can get in 3 first team quality players for less than 20m than that would be great.
Townsend on a free (goes straight into starting eleven)
Mowatt or Lundstram on a free would challenge our current two for a start.
Collins for 15m at CB.
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I think offensively he is a long way off. One goal contribution in 40 odd games. That rivals Jones, Marney for effectiveness going forward in the prem.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:22 pmHe isn't a long way off, that's already proven with his defensive stats being similar or better than your fav, Westwood.
Like I said I love his work rate and defensive attributes but just don’t think he possesses the technical ability to step up offensively. Might be proven wrong but that’s just my opinion.
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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:22 pmHe isn't a long way off, that's already proven with his defensive stats being similar or better than your fav, Westwood.
Don't set him off
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If we’ve only got £20 million to spend in the summer then we are in deep sh..., trouble.
20 million just about gets Tarks replacement should he go.
No way Dyche and that team can keep performing miracles.
2 wingers need replacing - Brady, Lennon
1 Midfielder - Hendrick
1 Centre Half - Gibson
None of the above have been replaced yet, I know Brady and Gibson are still on our books.
Going to be pretty tough in my opinion
20 million just about gets Tarks replacement should he go.
No way Dyche and that team can keep performing miracles.
2 wingers need replacing - Brady, Lennon
1 Midfielder - Hendrick
1 Centre Half - Gibson
None of the above have been replaced yet, I know Brady and Gibson are still on our books.
Going to be pretty tough in my opinion
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I dont get the anti Brownhill brigade. Josh had been a great success with more interceptions than any other player in the Premier league. Our speed going forward is our problem with Dwight suddenly deciding to vacate his left wing berth to play cm.Its a position he cant play as he lacks a decent tackle.JBG has done well when fit and I think we need to persuade him to retire from Iceland national team.
I would like us to pursue Adobola Lookman for our much needed pacy wideman and Harrison Reed from Fulham to add steel in midfield
I would like us to pursue Adobola Lookman for our much needed pacy wideman and Harrison Reed from Fulham to add steel in midfield
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Re: Our summer window.
Lookman, James, King, Cook, Reed, Anderson, Schlupp.
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If you want all them in the same window then it would need to be Leighton James, Andy King, Paul Cook, Stephen Reid & Viv AndersonNorfolk Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:15 pmLookman, James, King, Cook, Reed, Anderson, Schlupp.
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There’s no doubt about Brownhills work rate, although he needs to work on his free kick taking and stop leaning back along with his ability in front of goal. We do need though a box to box ball winning midfielder with some pace.
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Realistically, all said and done I could see us spending £33m. Maybe not, but we’ve saved a load on wages this year. Hopefully we spend less and realistically we probably will with Free Transfers.
A player in the style of Harry Wilson. I.E Creative Winger and Dead Ball Specialist
Nathan Collins from Stoke or Joe Worrall from Nottingham Forest.
Adam Smith from Bournemouth or a player in that style. Older pro, puts in a shift, has PL experience.
I think next January we might go for a CM or something of that nature.
I’m guessing Richardson is going to slot in to our strikers as all the noise around him and from what I’ve seen suggests he will eventually make the step up.
I’m guessing at some point we’re moving in another keeper but we won’t spend loads making that happen unless Pope leaves which I hope he doesn’t.
Am I wildly off?
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Much depends on whether some players leave and if so how many
and whether we get any money for them.
I'd be surprised if at least 2 or 3 didn't leave and there might be more.
Dyche may need to be ruthless and let 2 or 3 go which will reduce the wage bill.
If no one leaves then I think we'll do
very well to get 2 or 3 in for less than 20m.
and whether we get any money for them.
I'd be surprised if at least 2 or 3 didn't leave and there might be more.
Dyche may need to be ruthless and let 2 or 3 go which will reduce the wage bill.
If no one leaves then I think we'll do
very well to get 2 or 3 in for less than 20m.
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King doesn’t want to play for us. I don’t think we’re an attractive enough club. I could be wrong but it sounded like from the noise that we offered Vyds in a makeweight for King and he chose a loan to Everton for minor sub appearances instead. Happy to be corrected.Norfolk Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:15 pmLookman, James, King, Cook, Reed, Anderson, Schlupp.
Also: Wasn’t Lookman on loan to Fulham from a Bundesliga side?
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Some serious investment needed this closed season imo, if we are to continue our journey in the Premier league, we've been extremely lucky in the sense our manager brought himself to making a change up front and bringing Vydra in, I'm far from saying Vydra was solely responsible for our improvement in results at the time, but it changed our shape, approach, and attacking play, because of this we were able to gather enough points for survival. Things could all have been different had we lost as expected at wolves, and Fulham took 3 pts off us, had we have persevered with jrod or wood up on he's own it could have been a lot closer. Some on here may say well we've had injuries, and i agree, but in this league it's about squad strength and unless you have it it spells trouble, we've had a few seasons in there but we can't stand still any longer, our number could well be up next season without serious investment. Lot's on here bang on about what are arguably our 4 best players, pope tarkowski, mcneil and Wood, and don't get me wrong I'm not saying their bad players, but I honestly believe they are only a notch up from average with the exception of pope who by the way is not the finished article mind, if you consider that they are conceived to be at the front of the queue on the team sheet, the rest are downhill in terms of quality from there, which spells out my reasons for such investment. We can't keep carrying the likes of Brady, and gudmundson for example, we also need better up front to compliment wood and Vydra, we've had the best of Cork so need upgrade, brownhill although I like him has some learning to do yet, we also need to offload the likes of Benson and dunne, the performance of bpf and norris in the last 3 games leaves you scratching your head because it wasn't good, and you could say we faced at least 2 teams of quality, but did neither keeper see it as a big chance. Clearly although bardsley looks after his self and is arguably worth another year we still have to get someone in to eventually replace Lowton, pieters has played admirably when called upon but how long can that one last. All this even taking into consideration that we keep our 4 said "best players" at least 4 or 5 in imo, of which you could say 2 could even be back up or cb's to push tarkowski and /or mee, so could be looking at 6 in. Obviously we need to lose 1 or 2/3 for that to happen, Brady Benson dunne have to go for me just for starters, we could list list jrod and Barnes also, although not sure of their contract situations. Mr dyche has a busy summer or at least should have, and someone within the ALK set up needs to put their hand in their pocket.
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This is pretty much spot on. I doubt Tarks is signing a new deal which is why another CB is priority, 2 if we end up selling him. A long term RB would be 3rd on my list along with another winger. I would hope 4 new players is not beyond our reach but I'm not optimistic given our perennial struggles.OssyClaret wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:12 pmIt’s an impossible job to do everything that’s needed given where previous custodians have left it.
First job is 3 new contracts for Dyche, Mee and Tarkowski
Next Job is to replace the following glaring holes in the squad.
CB
RM
Final job is to replace Bardsley, Long, JBG, Brady, Stephens, Jay and Ash
Job obviously becomes more difficult with departures!!
My suggestions would be...
RM - Ryan Gauld (can also play AMF and LM) - Creative, tricky but also works really hard defensively so would be the perfect fit for us. Available for free too.
CB - Either of Collins and Souttar would be a good fit, Nat Phillips would have been perfect but will surely now be too expensive given his end of season form (even though he has no long term future at Liverpool)
For the long term RB I'd suggest Jelle Bataille* from Oostende in Belgium, would also provide cover for the RM slot. Think he'd be a good fit as he is quite similar in style to Lowton, only has one year left on his deal though would still cost a decent fee given Oostende are part of the Pacific Media Group with Barnsley so they'd probably just transfer him to Barnsley if they couldn't get the fee they want. Dael Fry would be the 2nd CB I'd go for if we sell Tarks (no chance taking both of Stoke's best CBs in the same window), he's the best fit for us of the realistic options. Cheaper (and older) options worth a look are Rob Dickie at QPR and (really left-field) Abdoulaye Seck at Antwerp*.
*Been watching a fair bit of the Belgian league this season as it became free to watch legally.
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Hi WC, I think King actual signed permanently for Everton, albeit only until the end of this season , with an option to extend. Given that he has played less than 200 minutes in total Im assuming that option is unlikely to be taken up, but who knows...WiscoClaret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:46 pmKing doesn’t want to play for us. I don’t think we’re an attractive enough club. I could be wrong but it sounded like from the noise that we offered Vyds in a makeweight for King and he chose a loan to Everton for minor sub appearances instead. Happy to be corrected.
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Dyche will get a transfer budget based on what we get for Gibson and Tarks plus any other outgoings
Maybe another £10m on top but when you've nothing in the piggy bank you've not much to spend
I don't think SD wants Tarks to go this summer so that scenario will be interesting
Maybe another £10m on top but when you've nothing in the piggy bank you've not much to spend
I don't think SD wants Tarks to go this summer so that scenario will be interesting
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Lookman was on loan from RBL I thinkWiscoClaret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:46 pmKing doesn’t want to play for us. I don’t think we’re an attractive enough club. I could be wrong but it sounded like from the noise that we offered Vyds in a makeweight for King and he chose a loan to Everton for minor sub appearances instead. Happy to be corrected.
Also: Wasn’t Lookman on loan to Fulham from a Bundesliga side?
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Expect us to sign 2 at a push but I don’t expect us to sign any of the above. Just throwing players out there who I think would improve us.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:17 pmIf you want all them in the same window then it would need to be Leighton James, Andy King, Paul Cook, Stephen Reid & Viv Anderson
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with 3 outgoing, how many do we need? We only need 5-6 because of the actions of Garlick during the previous windows, he's allowed it to get this bad. Nobody has said 6 or 7 to fit directly into the first 11. Nobody has said we have a new billionaire owner and nobody has mentioned a ''splurge''. Our signings don't have to cost a lot, it doesn't matter if they're free transfers or involve a fee, just hopefully the right profile.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:26 pmOr...... the problem we have is that Burnley fans rate a number of first team players lower than they really are........
Pick your poison..... I'll stick with the manager thanks.
Some people expecting 6 or 7 transfers in must be living in a parallel universe, where we have billionaire new owners who are going on a splurge, rather than owners saying that there will be funds to strengthen, but it's evolution not revolution.
Going to need some big vats to collect all the tears in when 6 0r 7 signings don't materialise I suspect.
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After years of investing nothing and allowing the squad to rot and age, we desperately need investment which is what I thought this new takeover was for. I don't think you're too far off with £40M, sounds like a lot but that would be last years budget, Januarys budget and this summers budget rolled into one.
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We paid 15 million for Wood over 3 years ago our last big signing. If we’ve only 20 million to spend then I’d agree as above we are in trouble. No way Dyche would be signing a new deal if that’s what he’s been promised.
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Massive work needs doing, £7M income from Gibson will be handy. We still haven't replaced Lennon and Dunne/Gibson/Brady are off. Tarkowski might go. We spent nothing last summer (if the money budgeted is still in the club, that needs adding to this years budget). We have been stacking dry powder for so long to the detriment of the team, we need a huge window and it's not going to come cheap.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:37 pmWe paid 15 million for Wood over 3 years ago our last big signing. If we’ve only 20 million to spend then I’d agree as above we are in trouble. No way Dyche would be signing a new deal if that’s what he’s been promised.
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Hence why I'm far from convinced that Dyche will remain at Turf Moor.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:37 pmWe paid 15 million for Wood over 3 years ago our last big signing. If we’ve only 20 million to spend then I’d agree as above we are in trouble. No way Dyche would be signing a new deal if that’s what he’s been promised.
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I'm guessing you also recognize what the likes of Pace and in particular Checketts have previously achieved ? These guys are no mugsNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:18 pmIt’s pretty well reported everywhere they haven’t got a pot to **** in.
Some of the most well know financial reporters were even joking about it on social media when the takeover happened
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Most of our transfers are undisclosed and nobody has any idea how deals will be structured so it's a complete stab in the dark from anyone. But one thing is for certain, and that is that we require quite an active window - at least the same if not better than the one we had when we signed Hendrick and Defour. As others as also said, it's not about how much we spend particularly and more about who we bring in and that they improve both the quality and numbers in the squad.
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I'm sure Dyche will count Gibson when he's getting the money to reinvest! And he was never going to say anything different about Tarky. I hope that Tarky does stay (even if he leaves for nothing in 12 months time) but I can't see it.....just like I can't see Long and Thomas being 3rd and 4th choice centre halves respectively for a Premier League squad next season.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:52 pmGibson hasn't been here for the season, so suspect Dyche isn't counting him. Dyche said that they would keep Tarkowski in a recent interview didn't he? Brady will go, Dunne will go, and be replaced by somebody like Bobby Thomas as the 4th choice centre half. I suspect that it may be a success if Tarkowski, Pope, McNeill and Mee sign new deals, they keep the majority of the rest of the squad, and add 1-2 first team starters (right wing a priority) and 1-2 improvements in squad players.
Lennon was never replaced and Brady is leaving so that's 2 wide players we need for starters. If Dyche wants to play 442 (which we know he's rather partial to) then he can't rely on McNeil and JBG to see him through an entire season and needs another couple of options who could also assist in switching things up during a match or even playing a different shape.
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That still doesn’t distract from the point that they have no money?Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:12 pmI'm guessing you also recognize what the likes of Pace and in particular Checketts have previously achieved ? These guys are no mugs
Let’s hope they are as successful/good as you say. Some of the worlds best have failed at this game.
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You don't need money to make/attract moneyNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:25 pmThat still doesn’t distract from the point that they have no money?
Let’s hope they are as successful/good as you say. Some of the worlds best have failed at this game.
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True. But short term we need substantial amounts of money.
I am sure that long term they can increase revenue (whether it will be increased by enough is another argument). But we need money to be invested now not in two-three years.
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We can spend money now, transfers are generally paid over the duration of the first contract.
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Right winger is a priority, then JBG can become the backup left winger. Never understood why we've always used him on the right when he is so one-footed, as a defender you always know he's going to have to cut back at some point. I'm not sure Townsend is the answer, I'd be looking for someone younger, maybe Jed Wallace?
I'd be looking at Ben Davies regardless of sales to strengthen the CB department, but if we sell Tarks then go for Collins.
Mowatt on a free looks like sensible business, then look to move Stephens on to whoever will have him.
If we can find a taker for Barnes then a new CF would be on the cards...
I'd be looking at Ben Davies regardless of sales to strengthen the CB department, but if we sell Tarks then go for Collins.
Mowatt on a free looks like sensible business, then look to move Stephens on to whoever will have him.
If we can find a taker for Barnes then a new CF would be on the cards...
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Andros is only 29, Jed is 27 and has never even played in the premier league. For me it’s a no brainer which one I would choose. But do respect the view on going for some younger, maybe Mbuemo or someone like that.FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:52 pmRight winger is a priority, then JBG can become the backup left winger. Never understood why we've always used him on the right when he is so one-footed, as a defender you always know he's going to have to cut back at some point. I'm not sure Townsend is the answer, I'd be looking for someone younger, maybe Jed Wallace?
I'd be looking at Ben Davies regardless of sales to strengthen the CB department, but if we sell Tarks then go for Collins.
Mowatt on a free looks like sensible business, then look to move Stephens on to whoever will have him.
If we can find a taker for Barnes then a new CF would be on the cards...
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I will ask you do the Burnley have plenty of cash to spend in the coming transfer window?gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:00 pmBut you have a solid plan in place to enable you to pay that mortgage right?
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indeed, I'm putting my faith in they've already done a bucket load of work pre-purchase to have certain partners in place - I agree, without it it will be very hardNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:33 pmTrue. But short term we need substantial amounts of money.
I am sure that long term they can increase revenue (whether it will be increased by enough is another argument). But we need money to be invested now not in two-three years.
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Mowatt and Andersen from Barnsley
Wallace from Millwall
That should do
Wallace from Millwall
That should do
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Brownhill lacks quality on the ball and is not in the same league as Westwood, who once again has had an excellent season
I don't think that Brownhill as weighed in with an assist or goal all season, you need more to your game than his stats suggest at this level
I don't think that Brownhill as weighed in with an assist or goal all season, you need more to your game than his stats suggest at this level
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Fair point, always thought Townsend was around 32 mark. Seems to have been around for ages!Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:55 pmAndros is only 29, Jed is 27 and has never even played in the premier league. For me it’s a no brainer which one I would choose. But do respect the view on going for some younger, maybe Mbuemo or someone like that.
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The players are out there in abundance. Absolutely no excuses for getting people on board, and I hope that Pace & Dyche have an agreed open brief which does not rule out exploiting the loan market too. For me there are 8 or 9 of the team that will probably start next year-I am sure you can guess them. Allowing for lets say two of these being injured at any time we are looking at about 5 minimum signings. However what was sadly exposed the latter part of the season is for a good back up keeper and in fairness to Nick he is not injury free. Peacock Farrell and Norris can then go out on loan-they both had the chance to show what they can do and failed badly
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Totally agree about Brownhill - had had a good season, topping the interceptions for the whole of the prem (I think) despite being played out of position for the final third of the season. Yes we need more creativity and goal scoring from midfield, but that will come - this was his first full season and he’ll get better.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:54 pmI dont get the anti Brownhill brigade. Josh had been a great success with more interceptions than any other player in the Premier league. Our speed going forward is our problem with Dwight suddenly deciding to vacate his left wing berth to play cm.Its a position he cant play as he lacks a decent tackle.JBG has done well when fit and I think we need to persuade him to retire from Iceland national team.
I would like us to pursue Adobola Lookman for our much needed pacy wideman and Harrison Reed from Fulham to add steel in midfield
Would take both Lookman and Reed in a heartbeat though.
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I think Townsend would be a massive coup for us. I’d take him over a player that has never kicked a ball in the prem, but I’m not convinced on Wallace more generally - hasn’t ever really shone in the Championship in the way I think you need to make it in the Prem.FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:52 pmRight winger is a priority, then JBG can become the backup left winger. Never understood why we've always used him on the right when he is so one-footed, as a defender you always know he's going to have to cut back at some point. I'm not sure Townsend is the answer, I'd be looking for someone younger, maybe Jed Wallace?
I'd be looking at Ben Davies regardless of sales to strengthen the CB department, but if we sell Tarks then go for Collins.
Mowatt on a free looks like sensible business, then look to move Stephens on to whoever will have him.
If we can find a taker for Barnes then a new CF would be on the cards...
Edit - Completely agree about needing a right footed winger though. So frustrating when we get in to good positions and then have to cut back - momentum lost and invariably results in a block!
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Where do you expect substantial amounts of money to come from?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:33 pmTrue. But short term we need substantial amounts of money.
I am sure that long term they can increase revenue (whether it will be increased by enough is another argument). But we need money to be invested now not in two-three years.
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Agree there. I don’t like the idea of major upheavals of the squad but we need 3-4 players in pronto and, even with some freebies, I think you’re looking at £40m. Obviously you’d only expect £10-£20m of that to be upfront, so time for us to get the commercial engines running!!Norfolk Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:49 pmIf we’ve only got £20 million to spend in the summer then we are in deep sh..., trouble.
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On a good day this season we played like a top half team, on a bad day we played like a relegation team. The difference was about who we managed to put out on to the field.
Dyche will know where he needs strengthening and I hope he gets a good run at it. By that I don’t just mean getting players in.
Whether Tarkowski stays or goes we have to be successful in the transfer market in getting in a central defender who can step up to the mark. Absolutely number 1 priority in my book because our lack of depth in that position has lost us many points this season. No excuses can be acceptable if we fail in the summer window.
The second major priority is to get the wide midfielder in that we’ve needed all season , a player with a proven fitness level.
Fans naming players is a fruitless exercise because we don’t know enough about professional football but there’s one thing for sure, Garlick cannot be blamed anymore.
Dyche will know where he needs strengthening and I hope he gets a good run at it. By that I don’t just mean getting players in.
Whether Tarkowski stays or goes we have to be successful in the transfer market in getting in a central defender who can step up to the mark. Absolutely number 1 priority in my book because our lack of depth in that position has lost us many points this season. No excuses can be acceptable if we fail in the summer window.
The second major priority is to get the wide midfielder in that we’ve needed all season , a player with a proven fitness level.
Fans naming players is a fruitless exercise because we don’t know enough about professional football but there’s one thing for sure, Garlick cannot be blamed anymore.
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Re: Our summer window.
Which would be quite concerning considering the figures that some people are throwing around.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:23 pmI suspect they will take on more debt short term.
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Re: Our summer window.
“I’ll stick with the manager thanks” but will he stick with us if we have another underwhelming transfer window again, that’s the real question people need to be thinking about the answer for.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:26 pmOr...... the problem we have is that Burnley fans rate a number of first team players lower than they really are........
Pick your poison..... I'll stick with the manager thanks.
Some people expecting 6 or 7 transfers in must be living in a parallel universe, where we have billionaire new owners who are going on a splurge, rather than owners saying that there will be funds to strengthen, but it's evolution not revolution.
Going to need some big vats to collect all the tears in when 6 0r 7 signings don't materialise I suspect.
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Re: Our summer window.
The way he’s spoken in recent interviews sounds like he’s planning to be here next season.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:03 pmHence why I'm far from convinced that Dyche will remain at Turf Moor.
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