Apparently we have had a 10m bid rejected for Collins with Stoke wanting closer to 20m.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:12 pm

Apparently we have had a 10m bid rejected for Collins with Stoke wanting closer to 20m.

Doubt we'll stretch to £20m, and he's contracted until 2024 so they can play hard ball should they wish, and I guess Stoke will be hoping our interest attracts other bidders with deeper pockets than we have.

On the plus side if we're offering £10m then this at least shows we do have some money for our targets, and if we sign Collins I assume that will mean Tarks is off this summer.

If true it's a positive sign at least.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:19 pm

Doubt we'll stretch to £20m, and he's contracted until 2024 so they can play hard ball should they wish, and I guess Stoke will be hoping our interest attracts other bidders with deeper pockets than we have.

On the plus side if we're offering £10m then this at least shows we do have some money for our targets, and if we sign Collins I assume that will mean Tarks is off this summer.

One thing that really interests me is the reaction from Stoke fans. They are saying 25-30m is his real value. Must be some player if that’s true.

Can’t say I know too much about him to judge other than seeing him play once earlier in the season.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:27 pm

One thing that really interests me is the reaction from Stoke fans. They are saying 25-30m is his real value. Must be some player if that’s true.

Can’t say I know too much about him to judge other than seeing him play once earlier in the season.

Football fans do tend to talk a lot of **** though.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:28 pm

Football fans do tend to talk a lot of **** though.

As we see on here every day

But how can we bid that amount for Collins if we have no money??! And where is this money coming from??

On the plus side, we've doubled our offer from January!

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:28 pm

Football fans do tend to talk a lot of **** though.

I resemble that remark !

Obviously all speculation but £10m in this climate for a 19 year old Championship defender is a very fair price, I'd say. I just wish we were focussing on the wingers that we need!

The Stoke fans valuation makes me realise how much we under value our players. Some on here say Dwight is only worth £25m

And some on here still think Tarkowski is worth £40m even though only 1 year left on contract

It's a reasonable opening gambit. We're clearly serious about wanting the lad and looks like we're willing to put in more serious bids this time round too.

Next offer rejected 10,000,001 it could be a long summer

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:19 pm

On the plus side if we're offering £10m then this at least shows we do have some money for our targets, and if we sign Collins I assume that will mean Tarks is off this summer.

It does not necessarily mean sh1t.

If it's to replace, let's say, the £25m departure of Tarkowski, it would mean we had to find the sum of minus fifteen million quid.

Knowing how well certain Championship players have adapted to life in the PL, it is natural to assume that other clubs from that division will want to receive a "premium" for their strongest assets, which will inevitably lead to comments of "above our valuation" and us missing out on the player.

At least it's a respectable opening offer and in the current climate I'd say offering higher may not be a great idea, in a post-covid climate that's probably the same as £15 - £20m pre-covid. I doubt anyone else will be marching in to offer more to a Championship centre back that hasn't even nailed down a regular position (been shifted between CB and RB) at a midtable side.

My Stoke supporting mate says we've bid for Souter, not Collins. Collins is out with a foot injury, and also he says Man U are interested in him as well.
Stoke Live disagrees, they say the rejected bid was for Collins as well.
Time will tell, but he rates Souter as well as Collins.

Usual preseason nonsense

Weird bidding for a player when so many experts on here tell us we only have a maximum budget of 20 million to spend this summer on fees and that Dyche will leave.

If he is worth £20 million ( he isn’t) as an unproven player in the PL I’d say McNeil is worth substantially more than £25 million

well, at least we are trying to do business early which I see as a huge positive

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:35 pm

As we see on here every day

i certainly do my bit, CT

so, do we think £15m plus add-ons would get our man?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 5:33 pm

i certainly do my bit, CT

so, do we think £15m plus add-ons would get our man?

Ha ha - as for Collins, firstly I'm not quick to believe we've made an offer because Talksport said so. Didn't they recently tell us that Dyche had signed a deal with another club?

There's clearly an interest in him from Burnley - we tried to bring him in last January along with the centre half from Preston who went to Liverpool. But there is bound to be speculation about players now.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 5:27 pm

Weird bidding for a player when so many experts on here tell us we only have a maximum budget of 20 million to spend this summer on fees and that Dyche will leave.

Weird believing we've made a bid for a player because of a Talksport rumour and then using it to have a dig at fellow fans

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 5:38 pm

Ha ha - as for Collins, firstly I'm not quick to believe we've made an offer because Talksport said so. Didn't they recently tell us that Dyche had signed a deal with another club?

There's clearly an interest in him from Burnley - we tried to bring him in last January along with the centre half from Preston who went to Liverpool. But there is bound to be speculation about players now.

The line is from Talksport but it has been confirmed by a local Stoke journalist

joey13 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 4:23 pm

Next offer rejected 10,000,001 it could be a long summer

we can do better than that. With the season being played to empty stadiums, surely we have a few boxes of Twix that must be approaching their sell-by date?

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:28 pm

Football fans do tend to talk a lot of **** though.

Meeeowww!

NRC wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:13 pm

we can do better than that. With the season being played to empty stadiums, surely we have a few boxes of Twix that must be approaching their sell-by date?

Peacock-Farrell eat them all

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 5:27 pm

Weird bidding for a player when so many experts on here tell us we only have a maximum budget of 20 million to spend this summer on fees and that Dyche will leave.

Nobody on here knows exactly how much we’ve got to spend, dyche won’t even know for certain, he’ll have a fair idea but not the exact amount.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:19 pm

Doubt we'll stretch to £20m, and he's contracted until 2024 so they can play hard ball should they wish, and I guess Stoke will be hoping our interest attracts other bidders with deeper pockets than we have.

On the plus side if we're offering £10m then this at least shows we do have some money for our targets, and if we sign Collins I assume that will mean Tarks is off this summer.

I'd say signing a 19 year old defender makes it more likely that Tarkowski will be here for another season whilst the new guy gets up to speed.

Who knows

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:41 pm

I'd say signing a 19 year old defender makes it more likely that Tarkowski will be here for another season whilst the new guy gets up to speed.

Who knows

Dyche seems to be pretty convinced that Tarky isn't going anywhere this summer other than on his holidays (if that's permitted).

IF Tarky is going we should be making sure we have his replacement 1st for 2 reasons

1. We dont get caught short by letting one leave before a replacement is found
2. Once our targets club sees we have X amount to spend from the Tarky sake, their valuation goes up a few million as they'll want a slice if the pie, and also know we are in need.

Talking of looking good with early/opening bids, Garlick was the master of making bids that just never came off but liked mentioning "we tried" or "we were in"
I could make a bid for Messi to come and be my cleaner, there's nothing good about or positive about having a bid rejected.
Not that I expect us to ho in straight with the asking price, however it's not worth getting giddy about so called rejected bids, even more so unless it's from sky, as there's usually nothing in it.
*Sky are in the ball, when they get interested then so should fans , until then save yourself the hassle

*I also include DJWaterhouse of course, he has a 100% record too

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:19 pm

Doubt we'll stretch to £20m, and he's contracted until 2024 so they can play hard ball should they wish, and I guess Stoke will be hoping our interest attracts other bidders with deeper pockets than we have.

On the plus side if we're offering £10m then this at least shows we do have some money for our targets, and if we sign Collins I assume that will mean Tarks is off this summer.

Good points. Suspect Stoke have leaked this to get United/Arsenal (originally linked) interested.

He can go there but I’d imagine he’ll see more game time here and have a less pressured route in to Prem football, but it’s up to him.

If Stoke really want £20m we should wish them well and move on to other targets.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:44 pm

*I also include DJWaterhouse of course, he has a 100% record too

Hopefully he’ll see the progress Keane & Tarky have made coming in biding their time in the first year then getting into the starting 11

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:12 pm

Apparently we have had a 10m bid rejected for Collins with Stoke wanting closer to 20m.

They may well get it... but it wont be from us.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:19 pm

if we sign Collins I assume that will mean Tarks is off this summer.

Why? everytime I've seen Collins play it's been at right back.

aggi wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:41 pm

I'd say signing a 19 year old defender makes it more likely that Tarkowski will be here for another season whilst the new guy gets up to speed.

Who knows

I hope your instincts prove to be right. The perfect scenario for future building of the first team for me

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 7:46 pm

Why? everytime I've seen Collins play it's been at right back.

I’ve only seen him play once but must admit that was at right back

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 3:23 pm

If true it's a positive sign at least.

If it IS true, I don't really see it as a positive sign at all. I'm not normally pessimistic or critical of our transfer policy, but... If the players value is something in the region of £20-25m +, then £10m obviously isn't going to get it done... and we'd know that. What it WILL do however, is potentially satisfy/pacify some of our fans who are expecting us to be busy in the window. We might as well announce we have enquired about Harry Kane.

Players have a value (the numbers are ridiculous of course) and the whole of football understands this. I suppose we know this too, but we have our own valuations of these players. Those two valuations are always going to be miles apart because the market has been inflated for years and we think we know the `true` value of footballers. This is one of the reasons (along with lack of finances, and agents advising their players not to sign for us until they have absolutely exhausted every other possible move) we are never 'busy' in the windows. We should expect more of the same.

If we break our transfer record in the summer, i'll be amazed. If we spend more than £20m in total, i'll be equally amazed. Ecstatic, but amazed.

Think he’s played RB when in a 4 and RCB when Stoke play 3.

I see one or two resident 'experts' are happy to tell us how much we won't be spending.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 7:53 pm

If it IS true, I don't really see it as a positive sign at all. I'm not normally pessimistic or critical of our transfer policy, but... If the players value is something in the region of £20-25m +, then £10m obviously isn't going to get it done... and we'd know that. What it WILL do however, is potentially satisfy/pacify some of our fans who are expecting us to be busy in the window. We might as well announce we have enquired about Harry Kane.

Players have a value (the numbers are ridiculous of course) and the whole of football understands this. I suppose we know this too, but we have our own valuations of these players. Those two valuations are always going to be miles apart because the market has been inflated for years and we think we know the `true` value of footballers. This is one of the reasons (along with lack of finances, and agents advising their players not to sign for us until they have absolutely exhausted every other possible move) we are never 'busy' in the windows. We should expect more of the same.

If we break our transfer record in the summer, i'll be amazed. If we spend more than £20m in total, i'll be equally amazed. Ecstatic, but amazed.

We’ve heard plenty to suggest that the market should deflate, although I’ve not seen much evidence of this as yet.

I’d have thought that Stoke, with their owner, have the wherewithal to only accept offers that they deem to be appropriate, which wouldn’t help us if the rumour is to be believed.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:10 pm

The line is from Talksport but it has been confirmed by a local Stoke journalist

If it’s the bloke from the Sentinel then he’s just quoting Talksport.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 7:53 pm

If it IS true, I don't really see it as a positive sign at all. I'm not normally pessimistic or critical of our transfer policy, but... If the players value is something in the region of £20-25m +, then £10m obviously isn't going to get it done... and we'd know that. What it WILL do however, is potentially satisfy/pacify some of our fans who are expecting us to be busy in the window. We might as well announce we have enquired about Harry Kane.

Players have a value (the numbers are ridiculous of course) and the whole of football understands this. I suppose we know this too, but we have our own valuations of these players. Those two valuations are always going to be miles apart because the market has been inflated for years and we think we know the `true` value of footballers. This is one of the reasons (along with lack of finances, and agents advising their players not to sign for us until they have absolutely exhausted every other possible move) we are never 'busy' in the windows. We should expect more of the same.

If we break our transfer record in the summer, i'll be amazed. If we spend more than £20m in total, i'll be equally amazed. Ecstatic, but amazed.

Who says he’s worth 20-25 million? That’s what Stoke fans are saying he’s worth, time will tell if anybody is willing to pay anywhere near that amount!

I'm wondering how this would affect Bobby Thomas, who is 20 now I think and has showed promise albeit in L2

Bigvince wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 8:24 pm

Who says he’s worth 20-25 million? That’s what Stoke fans are saying he’s worth, time will tell if anybody is willing to pay anywhere near that amount!

The line on the radio earlier was something along lines off we believe Burnley have had a 10m bid rejected, sources say Stoke are looking for 20m.

Stoke fans seem to be suggesting 20-30m, incredible sums of money.

Imagine how much McNeil is worth.

I will wait till Alex James confirms it

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:52 pm

You might laugh, but as soon has he says something is happening, you know for certainty it isn't, which sometimes can be useful information!

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 8:33 pm

The line on the radio earlier was something along lines off we believe Burnley have had a 10m bid rejected, sources say Stoke are looking for 20m.

Stoke fans seem to be suggesting 20-30m, incredible sums of money.

Imagine how much McNeil is worth.

That’s how it goes, Stoke say they want so much, another team say they’ll give so much and they meet somewhere in the middle.
Agree about McNeil though, how much could he be worth when average players are commanding large fees? All depends on which clubs come in for him

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Wed May 26, 2021 6:50 pm

Good points. Suspect Stoke have leaked this to get United/Arsenal (originally linked) interested.

He can go there but I’d imagine he’ll see more game time here and have a less pressured route in to Prem football, but it’s up to him.

If Stoke really want £20m we should wish them well and move on to other targets.

True the one advantage we have is we can offer the lad regular games, which he might not enjoy if he opted to take his chance at a bigger club.

Completely agree with your last sentence we don't want to wait all summer seeing whether this lad is interested in joining us or not, and if we fixate for too long on this signing there's a danger that some of our other targets will slip through our grasp. And if Stoke are insisting on £20m then it's time to walk away, this Collins lad may have plenty of potential, but he's still learning his craft, so for me £20m is a lot to risk on potential when we need guys who can contribute next season.

I'm all for taking a calculated gamble on young prospects, but not at those sort of prices, and surely if we have £10m burning a hole in our pockets we can find a decent centre back within our budget can't we.