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Re: England v Austria

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:07 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:00 pm
Wouldn’t get away with being fouled? FWIW he simulates far less than Ashley Barnes who seems to get away with it.
Comparing Barnes to Grealish is just plain stupidity!

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:07 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:00 pm
Rolling around squealing like a pig is simulation....
Not in the Japanese films i watch where it looks real enough to me.
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Re: England v Austria

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:11 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:07 pm
Comparing Barnes to Grealish is just plain stupidity!
Barnes is probably worse than Grealish for it, try to cheat than fall over in a heap is his usual trick whereas Grealish actually tries to move the ball.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:11 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:07 pm
Comparing Barnes to Grealish is just plain stupidity!
You said he wouldn’t get away with ‘winning fouls’ if he played for Burnley. Yet we have a player who we all know is very good at ‘winning fouls’ and far less discreetly than Grealish. So what is stupid about the comparison?
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Re: England v Austria

Post by HunterST_BFC » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:11 pm

The Euro's are going to be crappy.......

There is a better atmosphere on Mars

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:13 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:11 pm
You said he wouldn’t get away with ‘winning fouls’ if he played for Burnley. Yet we have a player who we all know is very good at ‘winning fouls’ and far less discreetly than Grealish. So what is stupid about the comparison stupidity?
Stupid is as Stupid does

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:14 pm

Quite impressive how we drove forward for that goal.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:17 pm

Actually, Grealish's contribution to the goal was decent.

Right now I think southgate should give Harry Kane the rest of the night off.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:17 pm
Actually, Grealish's contribution to the goal was decent.

Right now I think southgate should give Harry Kane the rest of the night off.
Can't stand Grealish but ... hell he has some skills ... no wonder he is the most fouled player in the universe ...

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:26 pm

Football is going to hell.
Calvert-Lewin just got booked for jumping very high!

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Re: England v Austria

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:27 pm

Decent goal made by Grealiish and Lingard, and an easy finish for Saka, but that defence still gives me nightmares, and better teams than Austria will punish England when it truly matters.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:29 pm

Picking the two to start either side of Kane is going to give Southgate a headache.

Foden should be one, tough call for the other.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:26 pm
Football is going to hell.
Calvert-Lewin just got booked for jumping very high!
Crazy booking what is DCL supposed to do it's not his fault he outjumped the defender to win the ball, and then he picks up a booking for his troubles. :roll:

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:31 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:30 pm
Crazy booking what is DCL supposed to do it's not his fault he outjumped the defender to win the ball, and then he picks up a booking for his troubles. :roll:
He kicked the defender in the head.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by expoultryboy » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:31 pm

Pickford stuck on his line : shocking

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:31 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:26 pm
Football is going to hell.
Calvert-Lewin just got booked for jumping very high!
To be fair he did rest his shins on the players shoulders 🤭🤭🤭 hell of a height he jumped though 🙄
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Re: England v Austria

Post by bf2k » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:36 pm

How is Tarks not even in the prelim squad with the likes of Godfrey, Coady, Mings and White all selected? I wouldn’t have one of them above Tarks.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:42 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:30 pm
Crazy booking what is DCL supposed to do it's not his fault he outjumped the defender to win the ball, and then he picks up a booking for his troubles. :roll:
Exactly,
he couldn't have even seen the defender.
OK, so if the ref thinks it's a foul does that mean it's worth a yellow card? There was no intent to foul.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:45 pm

Shambles now
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Re: England v Austria

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:31 pm
He kicked the defender in the head.
Maybe but not intentionally, a free kick perhaps, but never a booking.

Superman would have been proud of that leap mind you he got some height.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:50 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:42 pm
Exactly,
he couldn't have even seen the defender.
OK, so if the ref thinks it's a foul does that mean it's worth a yellow card? There was no intent to foul.
Come on man. It was a reckless foul, therefore a yellow card offence. He kicked the defender in the head. A high foot that connects with an opponents head is almost always punished with at least a yellow card.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:51 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:49 pm
Maybe but not intentionally, a free kick perhaps, but never a booking.

Superman would have been proud of that leap mind you he got some height.
It was a huge leap. Like a basketball player. But a foul doesn’t have to be deliberate to be a yellow card offence. It was reckless, therefore a yellow.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:52 pm

Looks a bit grim for TAA.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:53 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:52 pm
Looks a bit grim for TAA.
Haven’t seen the squad, do we have a back up right back?
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Re: England v Austria

Post by Spijed » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:49 pm
Maybe but not intentionally, a free kick perhaps, but never a booking.

Superman would have been proud of that leap mind you he got some height.
Intention has no relevance whatsoever in the laws of the game. It's purely down to whether it's dangerous or not.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:51 pm
It was a huge leap. Like a basketball player. But a foul doesn’t have to be deliberate to be a yellow card offence. It was reckless, therefore a yellow.
How does being a better athlete equate to being reckless?

the game is really going to the dogs.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by expoultryboy » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:55 pm

Might have to bring a proper right back in like wan-bissaka .

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Re: England v Austria

Post by bf2k » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:53 pm
Haven’t seen the squad, do we have a back up right back?
:D Just one or two

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:57 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 pm
Intention has no relevance whatsoever in the laws of the game. It's purely down to whether it's dangerous or not.
I'm sure you are right.
and if we follow this sort of thing to its conclusion we'll have non-contact, no heading(no balls overhead height) within your lifetime.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 pm
How does being a better athlete equate to being reckless?

the game is really going to the dogs.
:? Being a better athlete has nothing to do with it. His foot was so high that he kicked the defenders head. How can you say that isn’t a reckless foul?

I’d say some people’s brains have gone to the dogs reading this thread tonight. :lol:

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Re: England v Austria

Post by minnieclaret » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:59 pm

We were fine until the first burst of subs. Shocking after and got worse. They were very unlucky not to equalise.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:00 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:50 pm
Come on man. It was a reckless foul, therefore a yellow card offence. He kicked the defender in the head. A high foot that connects with an opponents head is almost always punished with at least a yellow card.
I'm not having that. How could he have known where the defender's head was?
was he reckless for jumping really high?

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:02 pm

Has to be Ward-Prowse in the squad if TAA is injured.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:00 pm
I'm not having that. How could he have known where the defender's head was?
was he reckless for jumping really high?
He doesn’t have to know where the defenders head is for it to be a reckless foul. Are you really saying that if you stick your foot above head height and it hits an opponent’s head it shouldn’t be a foul? Really?

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:06 pm

Personally think that Reece James is better than TAA and is in form. He was outstanding in the FA cup final, had Sterling in his pocket all game.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:07 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:06 pm
Personally think that Reece James is better than TAA and is in form. He was outstanding in the FA cup final, had Sterling in his pocket all game.
I agree and thinks that James is the most rounded of our right backs.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:11 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:04 pm
He doesn’t have to know where the defenders head is for it to be a reckless foul. Are you really saying that if you stick your foot above head height and it hits an opponent’s head it shouldn’t be a foul? Really?
Incidents such as that it's discretional & basically the referee judges the intent whether deliberate or reckless, it was reckless & unintentional, it could have gone either way if the referee deemed it non reckless & unintentional. My opinion it was a foul but the lad was unlucky & could have equally got away with it instead of being penalised.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by bf2k » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:14 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:02 pm
Has to be Ward-Prowse in the squad if TAA is injured.
Nah. Lingard

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:17 pm

I've got this really good idea:
4 midgets (am I allowed o say that?) across the back...
Any high ball that gets challenged is a free kick to us and probably a booking for them...
can't fail, can it?

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:17 pm
I've got this really good idea:
4 midgets (am I allowed o say that?) across the back...
Any high ball that gets challenged is a free kick to us and probably a booking for them...
can't fail, can it?
It will probably fail every time the ball is played above their heads for the attackers to challenge using their heads, as is the conventional way to attack the ball when it’s above the opponents head.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:21 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:06 pm
Personally think that Reece James is better than TAA and is in form. He was outstanding in the FA cup final, had Sterling in his pocket all game.
Reece James gets the nod for me also, he's in fabulous form, and has just won a Champions League trophy so he should be buzzing after that success.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:19 pm
It will probably fail every time the ball is played above their heads for the attackers to challenge using their heads, as is the conventional way to attack the ball when it’s above the opponents head.
What, like DCL did? ;)

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:23 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:17 pm
I've got this really good idea:
4 midgets (am I allowed o say that?) across the back...
Any high ball that gets challenged is a free kick to us and probably a booking for them...
can't fail, can it?
We know what we need, 4 Danny devitos over to you Sean :D

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:26 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:05 pm
Hope he plays well and scores a couple, it baffles me how he can't get in the 26 after his blistering end to the season, yet Rashford and Sterling who've barely netted in the last few months both make the squad, where's the incentive for guys to go out and get regular action and prove themselves, this is exactly what Jesse has done in going to West Ham instead of being a bit part player at Man Utd, and his reward is too be omitted for the summer.
the main reason I want Southgate gone is because when he was introduced he made it very clear he would only pick players who are in form and not reputation. He's a liar #Southgateout

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Re: England v Austria

Post by DCWat » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:30 pm

My biggest gripe with Southgate is that he doesn’t give Gabriel Clarke a right hook. How anyone can stand there listening to, and providing a polite answer to his questioning, is beyond me!
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Re: England v Austria

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:32 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:26 pm
the main reason I want Southgate gone is because when he was introduced he made it very clear he would only pick players who are in form and not reputation. He's a liar #Southgateout
Good point,
Unfortunately form fluctuates, and players get injured.
My issue would be that by now he should have the nous to identify a squad capable of performing at the top of its perceived ability over a 2 year period, to target one major tournament.
all he does is tinker.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:33 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:26 pm
the main reason I want Southgate gone is because when he was introduced he made it very clear he would only pick players who are in form and not reputation. He's a liar #Southgateout
Who has he not picked on form?

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:33 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:30 pm
My biggest gripe with Southgate is that he doesn’t give Gabriel Clarke a right hook. How anyone can stand there listening to, and providing a polite answer to his questioning, is beyond me!
Jeez, how tedious was that? Great use of his time, asking 5 slightly differently worded questions about TAA that were always going to be given the same obvious answer.
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Re: England v Austria

Post by Spijed » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:33 pm
Who has he not picked on form?
Both Sterling and Rashford are clearly out of form at the moment.

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Re: England v Austria

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:35 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:35 pm
Both Sterling and Rashford are clearly out of form at the moment.
Ok so who should be selected instead of them?

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