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Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:05 pm
by Milltown1882
Suspended from all international cricket pending an investigation. Hardly surprising but I feel this story could run on and on and on.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:12 pm
by PaintYorkClaretnBlue
Usual story of somebody sitting on it until he’s had a bit of success. Why not bring it out earlier??

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:39 pm
by LeadBelly
Sad people digging out past silliness to try and bring down people who have achieved something in the present day.

I'm 71 and I cringe at some of the things I got up to 16-23. I'm very sympathetic towards Ollie Robinson but feel some repulsion towards the people who dig out dirt on young people who have moved on to some fame and left their indiscretions behind.

Authorities have to "make a gesture" I guess but hopefully Robinson's current character is what matters.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:05 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Milltown1882 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:05 pm
Suspended from all international cricket pending an investigation. Hardly surprising but I feel this story could run on and on and on.
It won't run on and on. He's been suspended, then probably banned (a ban which he will have served while suspended) and that will be it, done and dusted.

Unless he is guilty of any further indiscretions in the future.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:06 pm
by SalisburyClaret
Why haven’t they been investigating this during the test? It should all be sorted by now. He’s been our best bowler so let’s take him out the team while we pontificate over some lunches.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:14 pm
by Billy Balfour
He was a dick, but he was young and nieve. His apology should have been sufficient.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:18 pm
by Elizabeth
This is the going rate in today’s society. Will give the pontificators a perfect platform.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:19 pm
by randomclaret2
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:25 pm
by Murger
A joke really. I wonder if those who dug up the messages, those in the press that published the story, those that have suspended him and those who are defending the decision have lived perfect lives with no indiscretions?

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:26 pm
by tim_noone
Why are people surprised..... our own Ashley was Vilified on here a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:34 pm
by Elizabeth
Yeh Tim , you nearly made a good comparison there

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:38 pm
by tim_noone
Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:34 pm
Yeh Tim , you nearly made a good comparison there
Not really.... If theres Sh!t to be thrown ..it will be thrown no matter what the misdemeanor.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:42 pm
by Red Fox Rocks Socks
I’d bet that if you looked at what comedians were pedalling 10 years ago edgy or otherwise I’d be surprised if those sort of jokes weren’t in their repertoire. More a showing off/education/growing up incident for me

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:44 pm
by tarkys_ears
"HERE YOU GO SON, FIRST PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT. OH BY THE WAY HAVE YOU EVER HAD A SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT WE CAN DELETE ANY TRACE OF?"

How hard is that to do?

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:50 pm
by Elizabeth
tim_noone wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:38 pm
Not really.... If theres Sh!t to be thrown ..it will be thrown no matter what the misdemeanor.
We got to distinguish between what is serious and what isn’t serious . I think you have failed on this occasion
I’m aware there will be geeks out there happy to say what Robinson did was inexcusable whatever age he was. Geeks

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:03 pm
by LongsideClaret
I believe the suspension is whilst there is an investigation. What he did was wrong and had he done the tweets last week I would have been fully supportive of banning him for a significant period of time if not indefinitely.

But he was a relative kid when he did it and he has said he does not hold those views today and all we can do is believe that. Him being dropped from the second test and some form of diversity programme would be a suitable punishment for me

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:06 pm
by bobinho
Billy Balfour wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:14 pm
He was a dick, but he was young and nieve. His apology should have been sufficient.
Agree entirely, but it wasnt with Andre, and it won’t be here.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:17 pm
by tim_noone
Elizabeth wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:50 pm
We got to distinguish between what is serious and what isn’t serious . I think you have failed on this occasion
I’m aware there will be geeks out there happy to say what Robinson did was inexcusable whatever age he was. Geeks
I Failed my 11 plus....another later fail down the lines fine ..I'm older now. Thanks

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:03 am
by GordonvaleClaret
If the powers that be were so incensed at such a terrible evil, why did they wait until the match finished before suspending him.
Are they hypocrites or just afraid of the criticism they would have copped had they done so?
If this sort of persecution has become the daily norm then It's high time Fred Trueman's record was expunged after his "Pass t'salt, Gunga Din" comment.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:38 am
by claretandy
It's unfortunate that the old farts on the ECB board are too old to have been on social media in their youth, then people could trawl through their historical posts.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:47 am
by TheFamilyCat
claretandy wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:38 am
It's unfortunate that the old farts on the ECB board are too old to have been on social media in their youth, then people could trawl through their historical posts.
You're probably confusing the ECB with the MCC but it's a simple enough mistake to make. For simple people.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:10 am
by kentonclaret
We have to accept that we are living in a completely different world now where news organisations, advertisers and sporting bodies are tying themselves in knots trying to demonstrate that they are diverse and inclusive.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:32 am
by claretandy
TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:47 am
You're probably confusing the ECB with the MCC but it's a simple enough mistake to make. For simple people.
Nope, it's the ECB who have suspended him champ.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:24 am
by tarkys_ears
claretandy wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:32 am
Nope, it's the ECB who have suspended him champ.
it's a simple enough mistake to make. For simple people.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:17 pm
by TheFamilyCat
claretandy wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:32 am
Nope, it's the ECB who have suspended him champ.
Yep, but the ECB board isn't made up of 'old farts' as you so incorrectly claimed. Champ.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:20 pm
by TheFamilyCat
tarkys_ears wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:24 am
it's a simple enough mistake to make. For simple people.
You're absolutely right.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:45 pm
by willsclarets
kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:10 am
We have to accept that we are living in a completely different world now where news organisations, advertisers and sporting bodies are tying themselves in knots trying to demonstrate that they are diverse and inclusive.
I hope we also come to accept that singular actions or stupid errors of judgement don't represent the character of a complex and evolving person. A human, who by nature makes mistakes and learns from them. Advertisers in particular are just as guilty of historically portraying men and women or particular cultures or races in a way that reinforces age old stereotypes for instance. They just move with the zeitgeist and pretend they always had the values that none of them did. Individuals don't have that luxury in a world that scrutinises individuals merely to point score, not for progress sake. Thankfully attitudes are changing towards race, ethnicity and sexuality, that's great, but at the same time there are a lot of people pretending to be holier than thou, willing to hang others on "crimes" they no doubt committed in some shape or form during their lives. It doesn't move us forward to hang anyone who steps off the mark slightly, it moves us backward. Why, because it gives actual bigots ammunition to proclaim that those who don't share their beliefs a defence. I look back on instances like Danny Baker getting fired and cringe. One what I believe to be the honest mistake of a man who clearly isn't racist, career on radio gone.
Things like this with ollie are even worse given his age , so while I'm glad he's sorry for what he said that should be the end of it. It is in no shape or form a mistake that should derail his career or be a judgement on his whole character

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:49 pm
by claretandy
TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:17 pm
Yep, but the ECB board isn't made up of 'old farts' as you so incorrectly claimed. Champ.
With the decision that they've made, by definition, they are old farts, chump.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:05 pm
by TheFamilyCat
claretandy wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:49 pm
With the decision that they've made, by definition, they are old farts, chump.
I'd have thought 'old farts' would take to complete opposite decision to be honest and made him captain for "sticking it up the fuzzy wuzzies" or something like that.

Aren't they being 'woke'?

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:17 pm
by Falcon
If you start drawing lines for limitation for time-limiting not being punished for posting that sort of thing then you'll set yourself up to fail.

How long ago is permissible to write offensive stuff, 2 years, 5 years...?

What if the next offender is only 2 days shy of the line? Or just 2 day over it. There will be a huge deal made of it and you'll end up pushing the line about.

I'm amazed that well-known people aren't having agents trawling through their historical social media presence deleting anything that could land them in hot water.

I wrote some horrible stuff online in my teens but even as a non-famous person, I've gone back and deleted it all. Potential employers etc can and will go through your social media.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:30 pm
by Billy Balfour
claretandy wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:38 am
It's unfortunate that the old farts on the ECB board are too old to have been on social media in their youth, then people could trawl through their historical posts.
Tweet from 1933: I say, old boy. This Hitler chap seems a mighty spiffing fellow. He's certainly got the Boche back on the right track.

Tweet from 1939: I say, old chap. Those Tweets are now ancient history, and after all, it was just a bit of bantering, or maybe I was hacked or something. Right, where's my uniform and valet.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:47 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Falcon wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:17 pm
If you start drawing lines for limitation for time-limiting not being punished for posting that sort of thing then you'll set yourself up to fail.

How long ago is permissible to write offensive stuff, 2 years, 5 years...?

What if the next offender is only 2 days shy of the line? Or just 2 day over it. There will be a huge deal made of it and you'll end up pushing the line about.

I'm amazed that well-known people aren't having agents trawling through their historical social media presence deleting anything that could land them in hot water.

I wrote some horrible stuff online in my teens but even as a non-famous person, I've gone back and deleted it all. Potential employers etc can and will go through your social media.
And where do you draw the line on the offence? What can be written off as being "young and naive"?

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:57 pm
by Elbarad
It's like we are all living in the world and times of the book, The Scarlet Letter.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:56 pm
by Milltown1882
ECB investigating another England players tweets for ‘offensive tweets while a teenager’. Almost like the social media people have just started doing their jobs.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:13 am
by SalisburyClaret
Falcon wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:17 pm
If you start drawing lines for limitation for time-limiting not being punished for posting that sort of thing then you'll set yourself up to fail.

How long ago is permissible to write offensive stuff, 2 years, 5 years...?

What if the next offender is only 2 days shy of the line? Or just 2 day over it. There will be a huge deal made of it and you'll end up pushing the line about.

I'm amazed that well-known people aren't having agents trawling through their historical social media presence deleting anything that could land them in hot water.

I wrote some horrible stuff online in my teens but even as a non-famous person, I've gone back and deleted it all. Potential employers etc can and will go through your social media.
I agree - Having an agent to control your past and current online presence is fairly common practice in the corporate world. For some reason it’s bypassed the sporting world.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:05 am
by Burnley Ace
Milltown1882 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:56 pm
ECB investigating another England players tweets for ‘offensive tweets while a teenager’. Almost like the social media people have just started doing their jobs.
When the player was a child! Michael Carberry will have him banned for life.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:43 am
by Local cricketer
So a magazine runs a interview with this latest player 7 weeks ago about mental health then search’s through the players social media to throw them under the bus. The world has officially lost the plot

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:06 am
by tim_noone
Burnley Ace wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:05 am
When the player was a child! Michael Carberry will have him banned for life.
This MC is agenda Driven and doesn't see things in black n white. White guys are todays Bad Guys its becoming more and more Evident.

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:49 am
by rufus lumley
The LTA is lucky that Twitter did not exist when Buster Mottram was playing tennis .

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:41 pm
by tiger76
More players Twitter history being poured over, at this rate England will struggle to field an XI soon.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57407788

Re: Ollie Robinson

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:38 pm
by TheFamilyCat
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57697159

Banned for 8 games, 5 suspended. Has already served the ban while suspended so free to play again.