Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:35 pm
Looks like it's on its way. Will it make a difference?
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Thicker lines for VAR offsides
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Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:54 pm
Thicker VAR officials to mess them up.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:04 pm
Panic at the F.A.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:04 pm
Another good idea might be to have an official standing alongside the touch line with a flag that he/she can wave in the air when that official judges a player to be offside. It’s groundbreaking but I’m sure it would work
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:14 pm
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Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pm
A thicker line doesn't make any difference when it comes to one line being in front of another. The lines being the width of the pitch wouldn't change which line was furthest forward.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:14 pm
Absolutely.dougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pmA thicker line doesn't make any difference when it comes to one line being in front of another. The lines being the width of the pitch wouldn't change which line was furthest forward.
What they need to do is use the same part of the body for both players not the big toe of one player and the shoulder of another - is even say from the heal rather than the toe. At least then not comparing a size 8 to a size 12 boot
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:18 pm
It won’t work until they go off the micro-chip in the boot. Wenger says it’s coming and I can’t wait.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:43 pm
the only time they should be checking VAR for potential offside is if there is daylight - that solves 99.9% of offsides straight away as the majority wouldn't need to be checked, if there is no daylight you are onside, not if you have a bigger nose than the other bloke. It's a simple fix. I'd rather every game finish 5-4 than 1-0 with 4 disallowed goals
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:47 pm
Can’t imagine this will keep Wood onside 
But I’m all up for it. Anything that will stop the toe offside rubbish is a good move.
But I’m all up for it. Anything that will stop the toe offside rubbish is a good move.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:50 pm
Definitely! Lee Mason going to be full time Variant
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:55 pm
I assume (dangerous when it comes to VAR, I know) that a player will be offside if there is a gap between the two lines. If the lines overlap in any way then the benefit of the doubt goes with the attacker.dougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pmA thicker line doesn't make any difference when it comes to one line being in front of another. The lines being the width of the pitch wouldn't change which line was furthest forward.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:40 pm
That’s what I (dangerously) assumed would be the situation
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:06 am
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:16 am
The thing is... once you start using lines etc.... 1mm or 1 nano metre.... that's the rules surely.
There can't be leeway or it's offisde.
The rules at the moment need changing, the width of the line will make no difference and technically allow offsides to be goals
There can't be leeway or it's offisde.
The rules at the moment need changing, the width of the line will make no difference and technically allow offsides to be goals
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:43 am
Havent we all just had it injected?minnieclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:18 pmIt won’t work until they go off the micro-chip in the boot. Wenger says it’s coming and I can’t wait.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:45 am
The rule covers three states - in front of the defender, behind the defender, level with the defender. Referees' guidance was quite clear when the "level" rule was changed, that "level" meant by judgement of the normal human eye. There was never, until VAR came along, been any suggestion that "level" should be judged to the fraction of an inch.tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:16 amThe thing is... once you start using lines etc.... 1mm or 1 nano metre.... that's the rules surely.
There can't be leeway or it's offisde.
The rules at the moment need changing, the width of the line will make no difference and technically allow offsides to be goals
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:13 am
Now I was was never great at Maths at school, but....Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:43 pmthe only time they should be checking VAR for potential offside is if there is daylight - that solves 99.9% of offsides straight away as the majority wouldn't need to be checked, if there is no daylight you are onside, not if you have a bigger nose than the other bloke. It's a simple fix. I'd rather every game finish 5-4 than 1-0 with 4 disallowed goals
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:23 am
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:19 am
Funnily enough. That's how I read the OP the first time.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:16 pm
VAR is currently able to be totally manipulated by 'decision makers', owing to the very fine line they draw across the pitch and then find or don't find a toe, depending on the need.
The process starts with the stopping of the action at the moment the ball leaves the 'passers' boot....or does it?
The foot coming down, the impact initially and the follow through of the boot/leg to see the ball move, is actually a long process and the ball will be in contact for a relatively long time.
Yes it is a minimum time really, however, long when it impacts on action from the goal scorer, who sees the action about to happen and makes their move.
I would imagine about a body width of time/movement involved along that process, at least.
Whoops you are offside...top six? Move back the start point...ah just onside!
Daylight an essential ingredient to eliminate the doubt.
The process starts with the stopping of the action at the moment the ball leaves the 'passers' boot....or does it?
The foot coming down, the impact initially and the follow through of the boot/leg to see the ball move, is actually a long process and the ball will be in contact for a relatively long time.
Yes it is a minimum time really, however, long when it impacts on action from the goal scorer, who sees the action about to happen and makes their move.
I would imagine about a body width of time/movement involved along that process, at least.
Whoops you are offside...top six? Move back the start point...ah just onside!
Daylight an essential ingredient to eliminate the doubt.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:06 pm
Var line for the top six
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Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:58 am
Lee Mason being there just about guarantees it!
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:45 am
Why can’t they just admit that VAR is just one big failure and scrap it?
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:50 am
I can’t remember the figures but I worked it out last year, and from memory approximately a Premier League striker would run about 10cm just while the ball is in contact with the passer’s boot (the boot would compress the ball and stay in contact for a fraction of a second). The same logic can be applied to the refresh rate of the video recording.IanMcL wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:16 pmVAR is currently able to be totally manipulated by 'decision makers', owing to the very fine line they draw across the pitch and then find or don't find a toe, depending on the need.
The process starts with the stopping of the action at the moment the ball leaves the 'passers' boot....or does it?
The foot coming down, the impact initially and the follow through of the boot/leg to see the ball move, is actually a long process and the ball will be in contact for a relatively long time.
Yes it is a minimum time really, however, long when it impacts on action from the goal scorer, who sees the action about to happen and makes their move.
I would imagine about a body width of time/movement involved along that process, at least.
Whoops you are offside...top six? Move back the start point...ah just onside!
Daylight an essential ingredient to eliminate the doubt.
I’ve therefore argued for a while that it is impossible for VAR to be accurate at the level of detail they were trying to do it.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:51 am
Exactly, Crosspool. That is why they can 'manipulate'.
We should be talking torsos and head and a gap. Let the attacker have an advantage and let's see more, not less goals.
This business of a knee or a toe has never been part of a visible offside, from a lino perspective. A computer generated line should not take them into consideration and all doubt about manipulation should be removed.
We should be talking torsos and head and a gap. Let the attacker have an advantage and let's see more, not less goals.
This business of a knee or a toe has never been part of a visible offside, from a lino perspective. A computer generated line should not take them into consideration and all doubt about manipulation should be removed.
Re: Thicker lines for VAR offsides
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:55 pm
Cameras record 50 frames per second. The cameras used at cricket record 4,000 frames per second.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:50 amI can’t remember the figures but I worked it out last year, and from memory approximately a Premier League striker would run about 10cm just while the ball is in contact with the passer’s boot (the boot would compress the ball and stay in contact for a fraction of a second). The same logic can be applied to the refresh rate of the video recording.
I’ve therefore argued for a while that it is impossible for VAR to be accurate at the level of detail they were trying to do it.