• Meat Eating habits...

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:38 pm**

With our New found kindness and Empathy in a much changing World towards People.. will this Extend to the Calves Lambs and livestock being "Slaughtered"on a Daily Basis? Many on here have views on Some foreign People Eating Certain Animals and find it Disgusting...are they any different to say......young calves being transported from Scarborough to Colne in metal containers and Slaughtered for our Consumption?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:43 pm**

Is this written in code?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:44 pm**

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:43 pm
Is this written in code?

For the Vegans..

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:45 pm**

Nothing wrong with eating meat, but plenty wrong with treating animals badly just to “improve” the flavour or some other aspect of the meat eating experience. Force feeding geese, rearing calves in crates etc is just barbaric.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:48 pm**

What about feeding beefburgers to Swans?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:51 pm**

Chobulous wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:45 pm
Nothing wrong with eating meat, but plenty wrong with treating animals badly just to “improve” the flavour or some other aspect of the meat eating experience. Force feeding geese, rearing calves in crates etc is just barbaric.

Personally feel the Nothing wrong With eating meat concept..Will Change dramatically over the Coming years To.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

Eating habits will change eventually, as will the way we rear animals for our meat.

The alternatives to meat on average tend to be ok, but also some of it is pretty grim to me.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:05 pm**

Fewer cows= less methane= slower global warming = happy days.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:10 pm**

Chobulous wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:45 pm
Nothing wrong with eating meat, but plenty wrong with treating animals badly just to “improve” the flavour or some other aspect of the meat eating experience. Force feeding geese, rearing calves in crates etc is just barbaric.

I'm a vegetarian, if you are culling the animal anyway & treating the animal well the 2 kind of conflict with each other in some people eyes, treating the animal bad & it still gets to live could perhaps be more preferable to treating the animal well but killing it anyway.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:14 pm**

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:05 pm
Fewer cows= less methane= slower global warming = happy days.

Eat less beef = more cows = more methane = faster global warming.

Tropical Lancashire. Happy days.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:19 pm**

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:05 pm
Fewer cows= less methane= slower global warming = happy days.

The same can be said about lentil munchers

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:23 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:57 pm
Eating habits will change eventually, as will the way we rear animals for our meat.

The alternatives to meat on average tend to be ok, but also some of it is pretty grim to me.

I've sampled of late...plant based Hot Dogs ..chicken bites ideal for a curry ..sausage rolls.and been made a Chinese Meal "irony" all well tasty and full of flavour and reassuring that I'm not eating bits of Sh!t from a dead animal.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:28 pm**

tim_noone wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:23 pm
I've sampled of late...plant based Hot Dogs ..chicken bites ideal for a curry ..sausage rolls.and been made a Chinese Meal "irony" all well tasty and full of flavour and reassuring that I'm not eating bits of Sh!t from a dead animal.

I've been eating Halloumi quite regularly when I'm out working instead of normal burgers, have considered the plant based options at Burger king.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:49 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:14 pm
Eat less beef = more cows = more methane = faster global warming.

Tropical Lancashire. Happy days.

I was thinking of giving the bull a rest.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:51 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:28 pm
I've been eating Halloumi quite regularly when I'm out working instead of normal burgers, have considered the plant based options at Burger king.

Surely that’s just a cheese sandwich?

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:04 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:51 pm
Surely that’s just a cheese sandwich?

Yup, but it tastes nice and I've yet to fit a toastie machine in the car

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:19 pm**

I only need to walk past a cowpat to get me thinking of a nice sirloin steak with mushrooms, tomato, onion and chips.
Mustard is a must as is a bottle of wine to follow!

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:25 pm**

Go and stand downwind outside Borthwicks,you'll never eat meat again.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:41 pm**

Terrier wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:19 pm
I only need to walk past a cowpat to get me thinking of a nice sirloin steak with mushrooms, tomato, onion and chips.
Mustard is a must as is a bottle of wine to follow!

You’re eating in the wrong restaurants mate

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:44 pm**

We actually work for a company that makes vegan chicken, hot dogs, burgers etc for the likes of Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Asda etc.
We're meat eaters and they haven't quite cracked it yet in taste and texture but the latest vegan chicken isn't far off the real thing.
We'd consider going down that route of only eating vegan meat substitutes if they cracked it with taste and texture but not yet and they've a long way to go.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:46 pm**

In the 60s I used to walk down from Gordon St in Stoneyholme to the bus stop next to the Empire cinema to catch the bus to school (BGS). On most days you could smell the slaughterhouse on Royle Road and believe me that is a smell you will never forget. That smell has never put me off eating meat so conyoviejo I fail to see your point.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:47 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:44 pm
We actually work for a company that makes vegan chicken, hot dogs, burgers etc for the likes of Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Asda etc.
We're meat eaters and they haven't quite cracked it yet in taste and texture but the latest vegan chicken isn't far off the real thing.
We'd consider going down that route of only eating vegan meat substitutes if they cracked it with taste and texture but not yet and they've a long way to go.

No such thing as vegan chicken, it simply does not and cannot exist

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:47 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:44 pm
We actually work for a company that makes vegan chicken, hot dogs, burgers etc for the likes of Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Asda etc.
We're meat eaters and they haven't quite cracked it yet in taste and texture but the latest vegan chicken isn't far off the real thing.
We'd consider going down that route of only eating vegan meat substitutes if they cracked it with taste and texture but not yet and they've a long way to go.

They’re pretty near to making meat products without the need for the animals themselves, from what I’ve seen.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:49 pm**

Chobulous wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:47 pm
No such thing as vegan chicken, it simply does not and cannot exist

I know it's an oxymoron to use the word 'vegan chicken' I agree but in terms of texture and taste it's not far off. I argue it should be named something else but marketing isn't my department at the company.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:51 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:47 pm
They’re pretty near to making meat products without the need for the animals themselves, from what I’ve seen.

Indeed. Using plant proteins. In the chicken one it's pea protein I believe. It's close but not quite.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:56 pm**

This the thing about veganism and the desire to eat animal free products. If you are true vegan then fair enough, no argument from me, it’s your life, live it how you want. But this idea of vegan chicken, trying to make things taste like chicken, beef etc is total hypocrisy, because to be successful it needs that link to the meat industry. If that link wasn’t there then the products would have to be marketable on their own merits

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:58 pm**

I see all kinds of lovely vegan and vegetarian foods being made on TV so why do they feel the need to have vegan bacon, chicken etc?

Also why are all veggies fat? Maybe someone should tell them that eating pizza and cheese doesn't really constitute a vegetarian, generally just someone who doesn't like the taste of meat.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:00 pm**

By the way I’m not against vegan food. Chips and mushy peas, toast and beans are staples in our household

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:02 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:51 pm
Indeed. Using plant proteins. In the chicken one it's pea protein I believe. It's close but not quite.

I thought that it was from the use of animal cells as opposed plant proteins? Similar to the process used when growing skin for grafting and the like.

Either way, it’s amazing, some of the things that are able to be achieved. Quite what we’ll be able to do in ten, twenty, thirty years is mind boggling.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:04 pm**

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:58 pm
I see all kinds of lovely vegan and vegetarian foods being made on TV so why do they feel the need to have vegan bacon, chicken etc?

Also why are all veggies fat? Maybe someone should tell them that eating pizza and cheese doesn't really constitute a vegetarian, generally just someone who doesn't like the taste of meat.

If I see one when travelling for work, I’ll get one of the plant based sandwiches from Tesco. They’re nice but certainly not as healthy as the name might suggest.

If anyone sees one, I’d fully recommend the hummus, harissa and roasted vegetable sandwich - one of the best sandwiches I’ve had!!

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:15 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:02 pm
I thought that it was from the use of animal cells as opposed plant proteins? Similar to the process used when growing skin for grafting and the like.

Either way, it’s amazing, some of the things that are able to be achieved. Quite what we’ll be able to do in ten, twenty, thirty years is mind boggling.

There are many different companies trying to master it. I hear one in the Netherlands I think is making great strides in the development of meat via animal cells.
You've probably seen the process on TV recently of processing insect proteins to make a burger which tastes like beef.
I'm in logistics but am told that our product is plant based proteins.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:18 pm**

I'm quite sure that you could have a vegan chicken, but I'm not sure how it's diet would be affected. Chicken feed presumably has some non-grain protein products added to it normally to help them gain weight quickly.

A good start would be to eat horses. We have far too many of them cluttering up chunks of countryside posing as "agriculture" when they are just pampered people's playthings using up valuable land that could be put to legitimate arable use.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:20 pm**

A good question!

I'll chew it over.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:28 pm**

timshorts wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:18 pm
I'm quite sure that you could have a vegan chicken, but I'm not sure how it's diet would be affected. Chicken feed presumably has some non-grain protein products added to it normally to help them gain weight quickly.

A good start would be to eat horses. We have far too many of them cluttering up chunks of countryside posing as "agriculture" when they are just pampered people's playthings using up valuable land that could be put to legitimate arable use.

By that logic cat and dog should be on our menu too.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:29 pm**

Eat the rich.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:34 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:28 pm
By that logic cat and dog should be on our menu too.

My wife is from the continent where they eat horses. She thinks eating horses is fine and has indeed eaten it. We had a heated discussion when I brought up dogs. Different culture I guess.
She won't eat lamb because of what it is but will happily munch on Shergar.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:37 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:34 pm
My wife is from the continent where they eat horses. She thinks eating horses is fine and has indeed eaten it. We had a heated discussion when I brought up dogs. Different culture I guess.
She won't eat lamb because of what it is but will happily munch on Shergar.

That’s one mystery solved

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:42 pm**

Chobulous wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:37 pm
That’s one mystery solved

The company I work for is Irish and is also a beef producer. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of our beef was literally Shergar at some point

Addendum: We don't produce beef at our factory. The company produces beef at other sites.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:47 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:34 pm
My wife is from the continent where they eat horses. She thinks eating horses is fine and has indeed eaten it. We had a heated discussion when I brought up dogs. Different culture I guess.
She won't eat lamb because if what it is but will happily munch on Shergar.

I’m indifferent when it comes to eating horse - I don’t see a huge difference between eating horse to eating beef, pork or lamb. I wouldn’t choose to eat it per se but did have it on a trip to France.

Is it Italy where donkey is used in some of their salamis? I’d have an issue with that though - for some reason I really like donkeys!!

It’s very easy to be contradictory in the debate about eating some and not other animals.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:56 pm**

DCWat wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:47 pm
I’m indifferent when it comes to eating horse - I don’t see a huge difference between eating horse to eating beef, pork or lamb. I wouldn’t choose to eat it per se but did have it on a trip to France.

Is it Italy where donkey is used in some of their salamis? I’d have an issue with that though - for some reason I really like donkeys!!

It’s very easy to be contradictory in the debate about eating some and not other animals.

So true. I had Alligator when in Florida but it's not something I'd choose. Likewise I wouldn't fancy my chances in a 1 on 1 with a Gator. Every chance I'd be it's meal.

Didn't know that about donkeys. Apparently so in Italy and Provence courtesy of Google.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:00 pm**

I’m looking to make a meat based lettuce. It looks and tastes like lettuce but is made entirely from meat products. It could make ‘eating your greens’ a lot more appealing to meat eaters which, as we know, is the basis of a healthy diet.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:01 pm**

I don't see anything hypocritical about eating imitation chicken or bacon for vegetarians. The point of vegetarianism is to avoid eating food derived from animal slaughter and if you can make that change whilst sticking to a broadly similar diet I can't see the problem with it.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:05 pm**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:34 pm
She won't eat lamb because of what it is but will happily munch on Shergar.

I can’t believe you’ve given your little man a name.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:06 pm**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:00 pm
I’m looking to make a meat based lettuce. It looks and tastes like lettuce but is made entirely from meat products. It could make ‘eating your greens’ a lot more appealing to meat eaters which, as we know, is the basis of a healthy diet.

Now I like the concept of meat 'flavoured' vegetables and fruits. Nearest we have got is meat flavoured crisps. It'd definitely improve my five a day intake. I'm lucky if I have five a week.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:08 pm**

Erasmus wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:01 pm
I don't see anything hypocritical about eating imitation chicken or bacon for vegetarians. The point of vegetarianism is to avoid eating food derived from animal slaughter and if you can make that change whilst sticking to a broadly similar diet I can't see the problem with it.

The point is you are saying “Meat based products are proper yummy, they taste delicious, whereas what we eat tastes like shite, so we will try to make our food taste like meat to convince you to eat the same shite that we eat” I mean, FFS

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:10 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:05 pm
I can’t believe you’ve given your little man a name.

It makes for an entertaining evening in bed when she's on top

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:35 pm**

minnieclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:05 pm
Fewer cows= less methane= slower global warming = happy days.

Complete utter rubbish

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:42 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:10 pm
I'm a vegetarian, if you are culling the animal anyway & treating the animal well the 2 kind of conflict with each other in some people eyes, treating the animal bad & it still gets to live could perhaps be more preferable to treating the animal well but killing it anyway.

In the same way, you think plants are ok to kill and eat. Remove whole forests to grow more plants which removes the animals you claim to support no habitat. If your so into not killing don’t kill anything and don’t eat anything. Problem solved.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:49 pm**

As long as the animal is treated well up to and including when it's killed I am happy to eat the meat it provides.

Posted: **Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:50 pm**

A friend and I were having a similar conversation and he just happened to say that if we stopped eating pork, bacon, gammon and other pig based meats that in short order pigs would become extinct.

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