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VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:24 pm
by Claret
It seems to be a lot better than how it has been used in the Premier League. One of the improvements seems to be an unwillingness to intervene unless there has been an obvious error. I still hate the bloody thing though
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:29 pm
by bobinho
The biggest change required right now in the PL is to get the referees and assistants to get back to actually reffing and making decisions at the right time, instead of just not bothering and hoping that VAR will help them out. The game should be managed in real time.
Agree wholeheartedly that not getting involved unless its an obvious error is going well. I'd have that all day...
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:31 pm
by taio
It has felt much better. Hopefully that continues and the premier league learns from it.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:04 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Denmark penalty anyone?
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:10 pm
by Claret
That was a travesty but justice prevailed. Isn’t it so much better, though, to be talking about the one incident that VAR should have got involved with instead of the endless number of delays and interfering that we’ve had in the Premier League?
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:13 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Tbh I’d sooner they scrap it full stop
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:11 pm
by Bin Ont Turf
VAR should have got involved with Ukraine's first goal tonight, and then sent the entire midfield three of the Cloggies off.
Shocking stuff, and no wonder Roy Keane was foaming at the mouth.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:36 am
by superdimitri
It's better because they don't know each other so aren't afraid to go against the ref.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:07 am
by jtv
Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:11 pm
VAR should have got involved with Ukraine's first goal tonight, and then sent the entire midfield three of the Cloggies off.
Shocking stuff, and no wonder Roy Keane was foaming at the mouth.
Why? I must have missed something
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:55 pm
by JohnMac
Very refreshing not to have Sky/BT commentators and Summarisers constantly gabbling on about VAR and replaying incidents over and over as if to influence the outcome. It's being used here as it was intended to be used!
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:57 pm
by Sproggy
The European refs don't seem to give free kicks based on the volume of the squeal from the diving player either.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:33 pm
by rob63
Sproggy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:57 pm
The European refs don't seem to give free kicks based on the volume of the squeal from the diving player either.
Probably cos they're more used to it?
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:29 pm
by Claret
Tell you what, though, they need to get rid of that ridiculous rule of the linesman keeping his flag down when the player is offside. What a stupid system that has become! There’s been 2 or 3 instances where even I know it’s offside, even though I’m sat at an angle to the TV, watching from an awkward camera angle. Just call it and stop all this pissin around
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:54 am
by edison
The offside flag rule is just rubbish. Overall, I dislike VAR but agree it appears to have been much better in the early matches of the tournament so far. No long agonising waits.
The Hungary goal and France's 2nd disallowed ones looked obvious offside - just get the flag up
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:59 am
by dibraidio
It does seem ridiculous when the player is a yard offside and they let play go on for nearly a minute before ruling out a goal.
Having said that Ronaldo looked well offside for his second against Hungary and it didn't even seem to be reviewed.
Definitely an improvement on what we've seen in the Premier League.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:06 am
by edison
Ronaldo looked off - you assume VAR is looking at everything anyway, even if the TV isn't showing multiple replays
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:30 am
by NottsClaret
rob63 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:33 pm
Probably cos they're more used to it?
It seems to have gone the other way to be honest. The Premier League is as bad as anywhere for 'squealing' and rolling about.
I quite like the European refs, they seem to ignore it and let a lot more go. This idea the Prem is more physical isn't borne out in what we see in the Champions League and these tournaments. It's our players that are the big babies now, and our refs that fall for it.
Someone like Jack Grealish could be in for a shock.. if he ever gets on the pitch.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:25 pm
by Bin Ont Turf
jtv wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:07 am
Why? I must have missed something
Yes you missed them all stood there watching Ukraine score.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:01 pm
by Stan Tastic
edison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:06 am
Ronaldo looked off - you assume VAR is looking at everything anyway, even if the TV isn't showing multiple replays
He wasn't offside although on first viewing he looked miles off. So the linesman keeping his flag down does work with VAR.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:11 pm
by elwaclaret
Not flagging until the end of the move has to go… it stops fans being able to celebrate goals… and that is after all the point of it all.
It removes all the excitement of the game
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:53 pm
by Rileybobs
I’d prefer it if the assistant made a signal, even if it’s not raising the flag, to signify that the flag will be raised at the end of the goalscoring opportunity.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:47 pm
by Ashingtonclaret46
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:53 pm
I’d prefer it if the assistant made a signal, even if it’s not raising the flag, to signify that the flag will be raised at the end of the goalscoring opportunity.
He can use the comms to let the referee know that he will be flagging, nobody else needs to know -----fans don't matter in the world of elite football unless you are sat watching on TV somewhere. Very sad, but very true.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:45 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Sproggy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:57 pm
The European refs don't seem to give free kicks based on the volume of the squeal from the diving player either.
The Refs have been excellent so far!
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:23 pm
by minnieclaret
Much better games than PL. body contact allowed, what a breath of fresh air. Far more flow to the match.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:57 pm
by Stan Tastic
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:11 pm
Not flagging until the end of the move has to go… it stops fans being able to celebrate goals… and that is after all the point of it all.
It removes all the excitement of the game
What if he flags at the time and gets it wrong as would probably have happened with Ronaldo's second?
I can't believe there are still people that don't understand why they're told not to flag until the end of the move.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:52 pm
by ClaretTony
Stan Tastic wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:57 pm
What if he flags at the time and gets it wrong as would probably have happened with Ronaldo's second?
I can't believe there are still people that don't understand why they're told not to flag until the end of the move.
There was an incident in the home game against Liverpool when the assistant flagged Chris Wood offside despite him being five yards inside. The ref blew having seen the flag which ruled out any possibility of Wood going on to score. I know it’s frustrating but if he flags and the ref blows then a wrong can’t be corrected.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:54 pm
by box_of_frogs
minnieclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:23 pm
Much better games than PL. body contact allowed, what a breath of fresh air. Far more flow to the match.
This ^^^
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:28 pm
by scouseclaret
There do sees seem to be far fewer VAR stoppages and when it is used, decisions are being made much quicker, rather than after watching dozens of replays.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:08 am
by elwaclaret
Stan Tastic wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:57 pm
What if he flags at the time and gets it wrong as would probably have happened with Ronaldo's second?
I can't believe there are still people that don't understand why they're told not to flag until the end of the move.
I cannot believe that people cannot understand, footballers have always played to the whistle not to the flag. Linesmen have always waved their flags without offsides or fouls being blown up, while play continued until the referee confirmed the decision… which is were VAR if needed could help
So stick your patronising yet strangely misguided and ignorant opinion up your arse
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:20 pm
by Stan Tastic
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:08 am
I cannot believe that people cannot understand, footballers have always played to the whistle not to the flag. Linesmen have always waved their flags without offsides or fouls being blown up, while play continued until the referee confirmed the decision… which is were VAR if needed could help
So stick your patronising yet strangely misguided and ignorant opinion up your arse
That's not very polite, resorting to abuse because you've lost the argument.
Look, I know it's difficult for you, but read CT's example of Wood being wrongfully flagged offside, and then consider how foolish you've made yourself look.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:17 pm
by elwaclaret
Stan Tastic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:20 pm
That's not very polite, resorting to abuse because you've lost the argument.
Look, I know it's difficult for you, but read CT's example of Wood being wrongfully flagged offside, and then consider how foolish you've made yourself look.
I have not lost any argument. My final comment was intended to be what is was… please don’t try and belittle me, or act superior. In fact I’d rather not converse at all, if it’s all the same to you. I have zero respect for your opinion so please go and play your petty games elsewhere
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:25 pm
by THEWELLERNUT70
It has just highlighted so far, how in general,p!ss poor our officials are and how the PL implement VAR as a whole.
We import the best players to the PL, perhaps now is the time to start importing the best officials too
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:38 pm
by dsr
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:17 pm
I have not lost any argument. My final comment was intended to be what is was… please don’t try and belittle me, or act superior. In fact I’d rather not converse at all, if it’s all the same to you. I have zero respect for your opinion so please go and play your petty games elsewhere
When your argument is "you can stick your argument up your ... ", then you don't need belittling. you have belittled yourself.
As for offside, they have made it impossible for the linesman to judge close offsides by removing the "level" option. That's why the delay, because in the olden days, if the linesman had to judge between the relevant portion of one man's armpit and the outer edge of the other man's toenail, he would have said "sod it, that looks level" and called it onside. Now it can't be level, so he has to make his best effort to judge between the armpit and the toenail, and he will be wrong half the time. So they delay to avoid disallowing a shedload of legal goals.
Re: VAR at the Euros
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:58 pm
by elwaclaret
dsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:38 pm
When your argument is "you can stick your argument up your ... ", then you don't need belittling. you have belittled yourself.
As for offside, they have made it impossible for the linesman to judge close offsides by removing the "level" option. That's why the delay, because in the olden days, if the linesman had to judge between the relevant portion of one man's armpit and the outer edge of the other man's toenail, he would have said "sod it, that looks level" and called it onside. Now it can't be level, so he has to make his best effort to judge between the armpit and the toenail, and he will be wrong half the time. So they delay to avoid disallowing a shedload of legal goals.
But that was not the comment I made that drew a snide reply. I merely said, players were always taught not to react to the flag. So if VAR is employed at the end fans and players have been “flagged” and VAR is checking. It is how I always thought that was the way it would be used… NO PLAYER stops for a flag, as schoolboys we were taught to play to the whistle… and it means that players and fans can actually enjoy the emotion of scoring again.