No point keeping him. His job is to win this tournament, he can’t beat Scotland. Get rid and get someone else in for the rest of it

Watching England ZZZZZZZzzzzzz

win the tournament? we've never won this tournament before, you need to rethink your expectation.

0 shots on target.

Southgate out.

I’ve seen more passion in a bowl of fruit.

Awful manager.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:52 pm

win the tournament? we've never won this tournament before, you need to rethink your expectation.

Spain hadn’t won the World Cup before 2010. Did you think Uruguay had a better chance?

Have to agree on that showing. He got it right against Croatia but no idea why he changed both full backs for this one.

Hey Gareth - try plating your best right back at right back.

How shite was James? Pass back. Pass back. Pass back. For ***** sake man you play for a top four club and you're playing against Championship players - grow a fuxking pair and have a go

Absolute dogger

I’ve mentioned on the other thread, and replace with who?

the frank spencer of football managers.

and no betty!

Dyched wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:55 pm

Spain hadn’t won the World Cup before 2010. Did you think Uruguay had a better chance?

I don't expect England to win this tournament, we're shite and always have been regardless of how good individually we are.

Absolute rubbish back passes at every opportunity, poor lofted ball delivered at walking pace.Too many players didnt give a monkey's.Scotland could have won this with more belief
Southgate is clueless yet the commentators praised his game management !!!!

beddie wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:56 pm

I’ve mentioned on the other thread, and replace with who?

Dyche for England

Should never have been in.

He is a yes man and his football is slow and boring. Sadly we won’t win anything playing this way.

I was ridiculed for saying on the Dear England thread that he has very poor judgement. I thought all his tactical decisions today were shocking, including the starting lineup. He is simply a very poor manager.

You beat these by matching them up and going 442. Width, stretch them, two up front. Certainly late on. Hanley was huffing and puffing at the end.

Don’t often agree with KRBFC but spot on tonight!!

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:57 pm

I don't expect England to win this tournament, we're shite and always have been regardless of how good individually we are.

We haven’t always been, but we do need a manager that will play to our strengths. We’ve enough talent in midfield and up front to be doing far more than Southgate is delivering.

England are playing with the exact same style that Southgate endowed upon his famous Middlesbrough side.

I don't think the players don't give a ****. I think they do want to win but there was too much not happening and the manger didn't zero to change it.

Philips was babber (before the tournament I was "no way should Philips be playing for England" I thought he was immense on Sunday, but today I thought he was what I expected).

Foden off? What the hell was he thinking King? Some people think Dyche makes odd subs but that one takes the biscuit

DCWat wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:59 pm

We haven’t always been, but we do need a manager that will play to our strengths. We’ve enough talent in midfield and up front to be doing far more than Southgate is delivering.

I heard the same stuff when we had Carrick Gerrard Lampard Scholes in midfield, how many times are we gonna blame the manager? lets just accept we have excellent individuals but we'll always be meh internationally. The expectation is ridiculous, we've never been good.

KRBFC taking a contrary position.

how did i know i'd read that before i'd even read his post?

Played for a draw from kick off. James and Shaw have been superb attacking FBs for their clubs but very rarely got down the line tonight and why play two holding MFs against a team that is playing 5 at the back.
Because they played 5 at the back DCL should have been first sub of the night and pump balls onto his head. If he doesn’t win it he causes mayhem.

He manages England like he has the resources of sean dyche rather than pep guardiola

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:03 pm

I heard the same stuff when we had Carrick Gerrard Lampard Scholes in midfield, how many times are we gonna blame the manager? lets just accept we have excellent individuals but we'll always be meh internationally. The expectation is ridiculous, we've never been good.

The difference with this team is that they complement each other better than Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard etc did. Scholes was Caviar, Gerrard, Meringue and Lampard, Bacon, all rather nice but shite together. This group is afar better suited and should work.

At least when he's sacked he can add virtue signaller to his CV!

Every cloud!

beddie wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:56 pm

I’ve mentioned on the other thread, and replace with who?

A football manager

Dyched wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:08 pm

The difference with this team is that they complement each other better than Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard etc did. Scholes was Caviar, Gerrard, Meringue and Lampard, Bacon, all rather nice but shite together. This group is afar better suited and should work.

Maybe, we've always been gash, I have no expectation anymore with England.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:03 pm

I heard the same stuff when we had Carrick Gerrard Lampard Scholes in midfield, how many times are we gonna blame the manager? lets just accept we have excellent individuals but we'll always be meh internationally. The expectation is ridiculous, we've never been good.

You do realise that all top footballers are individuals don’t you, and it’s the managers job to.....manage that.

Jesus Christ

Poor from England and Southgate tonight. How he didn’t see we needed a change in the middle is beyond me. Phillips and Rice played well against Croatia but to break down a hard working back 5 and 3 in the middle you need some more than 2 DMs. Bellingham should have come on and Sterling should have been the one to come off for Grealish, not Foden.

Inchy wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:13 pm

You do realise that all top footballers are individuals don’t you, and it’s the managers job to.....manage that.

Jesus Christ

I don't understand your point, you're the one whining after England just qualified for the knockout stages. We can always go back to not qualifying under Mclaren or losing to Iceland with Roy. I assume you weren't born last week, you should be used to average England performances by now.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:16 pm

I don't understand your point, you're the one whining after England just qualified for the knockout stages. We can always go back to not qualifying under Mclaren or losing to Iceland with Roy. I assume you weren't born last week, you should be used to average England performances by now.

exactly what southgate would say.

yTib wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:18 pm

exactly what southgate would say.

after seeing England play boring football 1000 times, I expect boring football.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:16 pm

I don't understand your point, you're the one whining after England just qualified for the knockout stages. We can always go back to not qualifying under Mclaren or losing to Iceland with Roy. I assume you weren't born last week, you should be used to average England performances by now.

My point is we need a decent manager. We have good players, we have a poor manager, we have had poor managers.

I assume you think that just because it’s been **** it will always continue to be ****.

Did you watch Burnley in the early 90s? Are we still playing in league two?

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:21 pm

after seeing England play boring football 1000 times, I expect boring football.

well if i was as cynical as you i would probably top myself.

Why is it we can’t ever get a good manager?

Just watched Southgate's interview and he said exactly what I was waiting for: its a young team and that was part of a learning curve (or words to that effect). Absolute bullocks, the man is a managerial failure.

You’re argument is basically “England are always crap”.


I prefer to be more optimistic and strive for more. We have world class players, we have a leave 1 manager

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:23 pm

Just watched Southgate's interview and he said exactly what I was waiting for: its a young team and that was part of a learning curve (or words to that effect). Absolute bullocks, the man is a managerial failure.

He said the same In Russia. Smart move really, just keep picking young players

Is it too much too expect some entertainment, it is supposed to be an entertainment industry after all isn't it.

Yes England might have qualified for the KO stages, but we won't get any further, not enough creativity and goals in this squad I'm afraid.

The one player who emerges with any credit after that yawnfest was Grealish.

As for who should take over from Gareth "boring" Sarfgate, I'd give Howe or Lampard a stab, we probably still won't win anything, but at least we might provide some goals to waken up our long suffering fans.

World class players? At their best, we have one world class player ...Kane.

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:26 pm

World class players? At their best, we have one world class player ...Kane.

Did you watch the champions league?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:23 pm

Why is it we can’t ever get a good manager?

Wouldn't make a bit of difference. We've been mediocre for most of my life, only ever won one tournament, and that in the most perverse of circumstances

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:29 pm

Wouldn't make a bit of difference. We've been mediocre for most of my life, only ever won one tournament, and that in the most perverse of circumstances

I wonder if Spain used to think the same? Oh they did

How poor were all our world class players tonight?

Inchy wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:24 pm

You’re argument is basically “England are always crap”.


I prefer to be more optimistic and strive for more. We have world class players, we have a leave 1 manager

I think it's alot deeper than replace the manager and magically we become brilliant to watch, we've tried the whole chop and changing managers. From foreign to English. That style of football, slow build up is deeply engrained into our national team and has been there long before Southgate. You aren't so judgemental of Dyche's boring football when it's getting results because as has been said on here ''it's a results business, entertainment is secondary'', the results under Southgate have been excellent. The Scotland draw is beneficiary, hopefully we can draw against Czech and finish 2nd in the group to avoid Portugal/France/Germany in the next round. As for League One manager, maybe but he's built a far better side than Capello/Sven/Mclaren/Roy managed with potentially less to work with.

Relegated Boro
Failed with the U21's
Did nothing to warrant getting the job

Proper FA yes man

I've probably bored you all with SouthgateOut since the day he got the job but taking off Foden and then marooning Grealish out on the wing should show anyone with an ounce of faith left in him that he can't do the job - that's not someone out of their depth that's just someone who doesn't have a clue and didn't watch the game.

Southgateout

fanzone wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:32 pm

How poor were all our world class players tonight?

Very poor. Shocking management really considering a number of them were playing in the champions league final (the most elite match In the world) only a few weeks ago

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:23 pm

Just watched Southgate's interview and he said exactly what I was waiting for: its a young team and that was part of a learning curve (or words to that effect). Absolute bullocks, the man is a managerial failure.

The usual spiel from GS , give the excuses a rest man it's old hat now, and we should be imposing ourselves on inferior opposition such as Scotland,

Compare England's dour safety first approach with how the likes of Italy and the Netherlands have played against their opponents.
.
Yes England have kept 2 clean sheets, but that's more down to luck than anything else, and once we meet a half decent side we'll be sent tumbling out of the tournament as we always are when it reaches the business end.

Oh well at least the Welsh might give us something to get excited about as they did in 2016.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:34 pm

I think it's alot deeper than replace the manager and magically we become brilliant to watch, we've tried the whole chop and changing managers. From foreign to English. That style of football, slow build up is deeply engrained into our national team and has been there long before Southgate. You aren't so judgemental of Dyche's boring football when it's getting results because as has been said on here ''it's a results business, entertainment is secondary'', the results under Southgate have been excellent. The Scotland draw is beneficiary, hopefully we can draw against Czech and finish 2nd in the group to avoid Portugal/France/Germany in the next round. As for League One manager, maybe but he's built a far better side than Capello/Sven/Mclaren/Roy managed with potentially less to work with.

you throw the game against the Czechs not against Scotland - after that performance England will be under pressure to win. Win today, make a load of changes and nobody will care