• Chess puzzle

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:14 pm**

I’m stuck again, help please! White playing up, mate in two moves…

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:18 pm**

just no...

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:20 pm**

Ha Too late!

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:32 pm**

Kick the board over ... burst into tears ... and run upstairs to bed.

Vowing never to play chess again

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:57 pm**

I think I (someone else) has got the answer now. I’ll leave it up for a bit. Hours of fun

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:58 pm**

What about:

W: Qc6
B: Nf7
W: Qe4!

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:02 pm**

f1-g3

Black can do:

a7-b8 - pointless
b6-b5 - pointless
g7-g6 - pointless

so it comes down to what black does with Knights or the pawn in f2

Pawn in f2-f1 promote to Queen - then White Knight g3-f5 Checkmate (I think!)
or
Knight g5 to anywhere, I think has no effect - then White Knight g3-f5 Checkmate (I think!)
or
Knight f4 to anywhere, I also think has no effect - then White Knight g3-f5 Checkmate (I think!)

that what I think anyway

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:17 pm**

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:02 pm
f1-g3

Black can do:

a7-b8 - pointless
b6-b5 - pointless
g7-g6 - pointless

so it comes down to what black does with Knights or the pawn in f2

Pawn in f2-f1 promote to Queen - then White Knight g3-f5 Checkmate (I think!)
or
Knight g5 to anywhere, I think has no effect - then White Knight g3-f5 Checkmate (I think!)
or
Knight f4 to anywhere, I also think has no effect - then White Knight g3-f5 Checkmate (I think!)

that what I think anyway

I think king to e3 would stop this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:21 pm**

kendaldave wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:17 pm
I think king to e3 would stop this.

typical...

you're right

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:48 pm**

H1 -> c6
C6 -> d6

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:52 pm**

Myk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:48 pm
H1 -> c6
C6 -> d6

N/M, misread.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:52 pm**

Myk wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:48 pm
H1 -> c6
C6 -> d6

Bishop to b8 stops this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:56 pm**

Q to H8

Black - as long as they don’t move the knights, king is stuck in place

Q to G7, whether the pawn has moved or not
Checkmate

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:59 pm**

How about….

h1 to h8
H8 -> g7

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:59 pm**

JrC wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:56 pm
Q to H8

Black - as long as they don’t move the knights, king is stuck in place

Q to G7, whether the pawn has moved or not
Checkmate

Knight to d5 then f6.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:59 pm**

JrC wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:56 pm
Q to H8

Black - as long as they don’t move the knights, king is stuck in place

Q to G7, whether the pawn has moved or not
Checkmate

Samsies

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:17 pm**

I think first move is Q to C6. It threatens mate on d6. Only way Black can defend is by moving one of their knights but when that happens it frees either d5 or e4 to mate depending which black Knight is moved

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:19 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:17 pm
I think first move is Q to C6. It threatens mate on d6. Only way Black can defend is by moving one of their knights but when that happens it frees either d5 or e4 to mate depending which black Knight is moved

Bishop to b8.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:21 pm**

kendaldave wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:19 pm
Bishop to b8.

Doesn't that then allow Q to take Black pawn on b6 to mate?

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:33 pm**

Q to h4
Q h4 takes knight at f4

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:43 pm**

I didn’t think you could have a pawn next to a king but I haven’t played in 50 years.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:45 pm**

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:33 pm
Q to h4
Q h4 takes knight at f4

Black can move g5 to e6

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:00 pm**

don't think anyone has it so far

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:07 pm**

Super Teds wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:00 pm
don't think anyone has it so far

What stops my answer, tell me what defence I overlooked

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:16 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:07 pm
What stops my answer, tell me what defence I overlooked

Think you're right. Struggling to see a workable defence now. Well done.

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:26 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:07 pm
What stops my answer, tell me what defence I overlooked

g5-f7 stops Q going c6-d6

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:31 pm**

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:26 pm
g5-f7 stops Q going c6-d6

But that frees up e4 for the queen to mate as the knight you've just moved was defending that square

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:55 pm**

Q-h8. Doesnt matter what black does then Q - g7. Check mate

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:57 pm**

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:55 pm
Q-h8. Doesnt matter what black does then Q - g7. Check mate

Well yes you’re right, apart from g5-e6

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:05 pm**

Q-H2
Q-F2

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:07 pm**

Yeovil1951 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:05 pm
Q-H2
Q-F2

Black knight to H3

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:11 pm**

Then Q-E5

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:13 pm**

Yeovil1951 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:11 pm
Then Q-E5

Can’t due to the other knight

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:21 pm**

Black night is not right
I don't feel so bright
I don't care to sit tight
Maybe I'll find on the way down the line
That I'm free, free to be me
Black night is a long way from home

I don't need a dark tree
I don't want a rough sea
I can't feel, I can't see
Maybe I'll find on the way down the line
That I'm free, free to be me
Black night is a long way from home

Black night, black night
I don't need black night
I can't see dark night
Maybe I'll find on the way down the line
That I'm free, free to be me
Black night is a long way from home

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm**

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:21 pm
Black night is not right
I don't feel so bright
I don't care to sit tight
Maybe I'll find on the way down the line
That I'm free, free to be me
Black night is a long way from home

I don't need a dark tree
I don't want a rough sea
I can't feel, I can't see
Maybe I'll find on the way down the line
That I'm free, free to be me
Black night is a long way from home

Black night, black night
I don't need black night
I can't see dark night
Maybe I'll find on the way down the line
That I'm free, free to be me
Black night is a long way from home

I always wondered who was Psotto and now I know

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:28 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm
I always wondered who was Psotto and now I know

When in Rome DA when in Rome

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:19 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:31 pm
But that frees up e4 for the queen to mate as the knight you've just moved was defending that square

Doesn’t that turn it into checkmate in 3 moves, not 2?
I was thinking along those lines initially

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:43 pm**

JrC wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:19 pm
Doesn’t that turn it into checkmate in 3 moves, not 2?
I was thinking along those lines initially

Nope White only plays two moves

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:45 pm**

There will be no Czech mates here, tomorrow!

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:53 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:07 pm
What stops my answer, tell me what defence I overlooked

black knight f4-d5 on black's second move

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:05 pm**

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:43 pm
Nope White only plays two moves

Good point. My 3 move reply was more in reference to “what if black moved another piece instead of the rooks” without reviewing the board.

My only argument would be - what if black moves the pawn from B6 to B5. How would you get checkmate in 1 more move? Q to B6 would be taken by bishop, Queen to D6 is still covered by Rook

Posted: **Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:16 pm**

JrC wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:05 pm
Good point. My 3 move reply was more in reference to “what if black didn’t moved another piece instead of the rooks” without reviewing the board.

My only argument would be - what if black moves the pawn from B6 to B5. How would you get checkmate in 1 more move? Q to B6 would be taken by bishop, Queen to D6 is still covered by Rook

Think you're getting you knights and rooks mixed up but if black just moved the pawn my solution was that white would continue to mate with Qd6 but as ST has shown and what maybe you was trying to pont out Black can defend with kf4-d6 which defeats me

Tomorrow morning I will try again

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:42 am**

Yeah, I’d had a long day and it looks like I was getting my words mixed up. Glad to see my reasoning was still right though

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:43 pm**

Queen to A8 wins.

Someone as Black tell me what they'd do once I've moved to my queen to A8 and I'll tell you how I counter to force mate.

edit - just realised how dickish that sounds. I only mean that there's more than one move available to Black so there's more than one move available to white....

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:29 pm**

f1-g3

Then depending on black moving pawn at g7 or not

g3-f5

Or if pawn advanced to threaten f5, Queen to h8

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:35 pm**

taio wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:45 pm
Black can move g5 to e6

Yes but that assumes black has a brain, which clearly he hasn't getting his king stranded like that on the middle.

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:27 pm**

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:29 pm
f1-g3

Then depending on black moving pawn at g7 or not

g3-f5

Or if pawn advanced to threaten f5, Queen to h8

King can move to e3 if you move knight to g3.

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:53 pm**

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:43 pm
Queen to A8 wins.

Someone as Black tell me what they'd do once I've moved to my queen to A8 and I'll tell you how I counter to force mate.

edit - just realised how dickish that sounds. I only mean that there's more than one move available to Black so there's more than one move available to white....

Nailed it.

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:06 pm**

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:43 pm
Queen to A8 wins.

Someone as Black tell me what they'd do once I've moved to my queen to A8 and I'll tell you how I counter to force mate.

edit - just realised how dickish that sounds. I only mean that there's more than one move available to Black so there's more than one move available to white....

a7-b8…?

Posted: **Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:09 pm**

I was gonna say g7-g6....I'm intrigued to know how white gets mate with the next move after queen to A8

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