Heartbreaking that.

But to see trippier perform like he did on the big stage against Italy was brilliant to see.

The entire team and manager ought to be proud. They’ve made an entire nation fall back in love with the national team and given us all something to watch and shout about when we’ve needed it more than ever.

I’ve always been Burnley first. But to have sat with and gone through that with fans from Oxford, Stoke, Leeds and the rest was unbelievable.

Those previous 6 games and the first hour tonight were an experience that will live long in the memory for so many people.

And 120 minutes of almost normality.

Trippier you did the team (and Burnley) proud!

He did I thought he was excellent. His deliveries into the box and his work ethic are first class.

Have I just watched a bit of “friction” at the end there? Didn’t look at all happy when spking to GS. All dressed up in a cuddle but it looked anything but cosy. I hope that’s the case and he’s not happy. Shows he cares, and shows he knows we could’ve had it all.

Italy deserved to win

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:16 pm

He did I thought he was excellent. His deliveries into the box and his work ethic are first class.

Have I just watched a bit of “friction” at the end there? Didn’t look at all happy when spking to GS. All dressed up in a cuddle but it looked anything but cosy. I hope that’s the case and he’s not happy. Shows he cares, and shows he knows we could’ve had it all.

He looked ****** off when he came off.

claretcrav wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:16 pm

Italy deserved to win

I think on balance a draw was the fair result before penalties but they were much more confident after the goal and especially when they knew pens were looming.

Really disappointing that the three forwards who came on are the ones who miss the pens. Rashfords in particular is with that run up. Score and we control the shootout.

But every player should still be proud.

Tripper did Burnley proud,the same Burnley who he couldn't wait to leave or the Burnley he said is the only team he would come back to England for.Sorry forgot Man utd cos they offered more mone.File under Danny Inga,greed is better than loyalty.If your going for money say so not the pathetic attempts at saving face.

Loser mentality.

Fell at the final hurdle from 3 shite attempts at a penalty.

I still can't understand why more senior players did't take the last two penalties, certainly the last one. I really felt for the lad. What was Rashford trying to do?

Given the violence before, after and probably during the match I doubt we will host another final - certainly not in London anyway.

It was poor management by Southgate bringing on Rashford and Sancho just to take pens. Neither touched the ball when they came on and have hardly featured all tournament. Then having Saka on the 5th one was ridiculous. Should have been Stones and Henderson (who went off for Rashford).

Trippier was back to his best-very unlucky to come off. Saka who came on for him just seemed overawed by the physicality of the Italians. I would bet that had Tripps stayed on, he would have wanted to take a pen, and I for one would have backed him to score, as he has incredible calmnes. I know he was subbed but Southgate seems to really rate him for the "big occasion"

Parkvilla wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:57 pm

Tripper did Burnley proud,the same Burnley who he couldn't wait to leave or the Burnley he said is the only team he would come back to England for.Sorry forgot Man utd cos they offered more mone.File under Danny Inga,greed is better than loyalty.If your going for money say so not the pathetic attempts at saving face.

Can you provide a link to him saying that?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:47 am

It was poor management by Southgate bringing on Rashford and Sancho just to take pens. Neither touched the ball when they came on and have hardly featured all tournament. Then having Saka on the 5th one was ridiculous. Should have been Stones and Henderson (who went off for Rashford).

Henderson did a great job with his last pen in a meaningless friendly.

Southgate has seen them all take them in training and has said these were the best of the bunch. Move on.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:12 pm

Can you provide a link to him saying that?

Tripps said that he would love to play under Sean again, but that didn't necessarily mean while he was manager of Burnley.

Wonder if Sean managed to have a chat with him last night after the match?

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:28 pm

Tripps said that he would love to play under Sean again, but that didn't necessarily mean while he was manager of Burnley.

Wonder if Sean managed to have a chat with him last night after the match?

Thanks Gordale. Fully aware of what he'd said but hoped that by asking for a link it may have made PV realise he was either making things up or just repeating a lie.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:35 pm

Thanks Gordale. Fully aware of what he'd said but hoped that by asking for a link it may have made PV realise he was either making things up or just repeating a lie.

Could the miracle still happen? Could Tripps still come back to Burnley in this window? If only.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:12 pm

Can you provide a link to him saying that?

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... nd-2459964

I just googled "Trippier Burnley" , it was on the first page of search results

Trippier was the best player on that field. When they took him off and went to a flat back four, they lost all control of the game and there was no further threat from set pieces.

Honestly, I think Southgate is massively overrated and he's got lucky with the talent he has available. He simply should have won that game and made two enormous mistakes: taking Trippier off and letting three novices take penalties.

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:40 pm

Trippier was the best player on that field. When they took him off and went to a flat back four, they lost all control of the game and there was no further threat from set pieces.

Honestly, I think Southgate is massively overrated and he's got lucky with the talent he has available. He simply should have won that game and made two enormous mistakes: taking Trippier off and letting three novices take penalties.

Rashford and Sancho are hardly novices. Both take pens for club sides (Rashford 3/3 and Sancho 3/3 last season).

Also, agree Trippier had a good game but to say we lost control when that change was made is crazy. It was actually the opposite! We regained far more control when we left the 3-4-3 and went to 4-3-3 and this change should have been made BEFORE Italy scored, it was bleeding obvious.

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:40 pm

Trippier was the best player on that field. When they took him off and went to a flat back four, they lost all control of the game and there was no further threat from set pieces.

Honestly, I think Southgate is massively overrated and he's got lucky with the talent he has available. He simply should have won that game and made two enormous mistakes: taking Trippier off and letting three novices take penalties.

The penalty thing is being blown out of proportion. Sancho and Rashford aren't 'novices'. They have both scored a decent number of penalties in their relatively short careers, Rashford in particular has scored a lot of penalties and some in very big pressure situations. Saka is the only true novice of the three. But then who would you have suggested Southgate put forward in his place?

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:14 pm

The penalty thing is being blown out of proportion. Sancho and Rashford aren't 'novices'. They have both scored a decent number of penalties in their relatively short careers, Rashford in particular has scored a lot of penalties and some in very big pressure situations. Saka is the only true novice of the three. But then who would you have suggested Southgate put forward in his place?

Stones has taken them in shootouts for City and scored. I’d also fancy Luke Shaw.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:15 pm

Stones has taken them in shootouts for City and scored. I’d also fancy Luke Shaw.

I'm pretty sure he hasn't. And Luke Shaw was Man Utd's 8th choice penalty taker in their recent EL shootout. It's easy to criticise in hindsight, and whilst I was surprised to see Saka step up, I can guarantee that the decision was made based on meticulous preparation. Obviously penalties don't always go to plan, which is why Mancini wouldn't have been criticised for letting Jorginho take the 5th penalty had Italy lost.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:14 pm

The penalty thing is being blown out of proportion. Sancho and Rashford aren't 'novices'. They have both scored a decent number of penalties in their relatively short careers, Rashford in particular has scored a lot of penalties and some in very big pressure situations. Saka is the only true novice of the three. But then who would you have suggested Southgate put forward in his place?

The key part is "short careers", though. Shoot outs are about composure, which typically comes with experience. Rashford is a great player, but he clearly choked during his run-up.

I'd have put Trippier in for the third, Sterling for the fourth and probably kept Rashford or gone with Shaw for the fifth.

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:50 pm

The key part is "short careers", though. Shoot outs are about composure, which typically comes with experience. Rashford is a great player, but he clearly choked during his run-up.

I'd have put Trippier in for the third, Sterling for the fourth and probably kept Rashford or gone with Shaw for the fifth.

Well it’s fine for you to say that shoot outs are about composure, but that’s over simplifying it. They’re also about technique and accuracy. Trippier had been off the pitch since the 70th minute so couldn’t take a penalty.

Sterling has a very poor penalty record, and Shaw has only got one penalty to his name in a shootout to my knowledge. You’re basing your choices on hindsight and blind faith as you have nothing to base your assertion that Shaw or Sterling would have been more likely to score than Saka or Sancho. For all we know all three of your choices would also have missed.

The penalty choices would have been meticulously planned and prepared for. It didn’t go to plan on this occasion, but that was probably less down to judgement than fortune.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:59 pm

Well it’s fine for you to say that shoot outs are about composure, but that’s over simplifying it. They’re also about technique and accuracy. Trippier had been off the pitch since the 70th minute so couldn’t take a penalty.

Sterling has a very poor penalty record, and Shaw has only got one penalty to his name in a shootout to my knowledge. You’re basing your choices on hindsight and blind faith as you have nothing to base your assertion that Shaw or Sterling would have been more likely to score than Saka or Sancho. For all we know all three of your choices would also have missed.

The penalty choices would have been meticulously planned and prepared for. It didn’t go to plan on this occasion, but that was probably less down to judgement than fortune.

To be fair, everything you've said about my choices applies to yours. Trippier is a dead ball specialist and he should have been on the pitch for the shootout. Both Sterling and Shaw had the benefit of more experience and more composure, so it's not based on "blind faith". Rashford, admittedly, is a better penalty taker than either, but he choked and missed. So, no, I don't think technique and accuracy is the most important factor - it's composure.

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:41 pm

To be fair, everything you've said about my choices applies to yours. Trippier is a dead ball specialist and he should have been on the pitch for the shootout. Both Sterling and Shaw had the benefit of more experience and more composure, so it's not based on "blind faith". Rashford, admittedly, is a better penalty taker than either, but he choked and missed. So, no, I don't think technique and accuracy is the most important factor - it's composure.

They weren’t my choices, they were Southgates. He based those choices on something more than blind faith. He’s seen these players take penalties almost every day in training for the last 5 weeks and chose who he thought were the best penalty takers. If we had players stood on the halfway line who had good penalty scoring records then I would understand the criticism, but we didn’t. So ‘fancying’ Luke Shaw to score is based on nothing but blind faith.

And are you really suggesting that he keep Tripper on just in case the game went another 50+ minutes and we got to penalties? At that point in the game it didn’t look like we’d even make it to extra time.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:13 pm

Rashford and Sancho are hardly novices. Both take pens for club sides (Rashford 3/3 and Sancho 3/3 last season).

Also, agree Trippier had a good game but to say we lost control when that change was made is crazy. It was actually the opposite! We regained far more control when we left the 3-4-3 and went to 4-3-3 and this change should have been made BEFORE Italy scored, it was bleeding obvious.

Agree with that, we were pinned in, the 3 at the back quickly became a 5 and we couldn't get out.

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:41 pm

To be fair, everything you've said about my choices applies to yours. Trippier is a dead ball specialist and he should have been on the pitch for the shootout. Both Sterling and Shaw had the benefit of more experience and more composure, so it's not based on "blind faith". Rashford, admittedly, is a better penalty taker than either, but he choked and missed. So, no, I don't think technique and accuracy is the most important factor - it's composure.

Stones and Shaw over Rashford for a penalty?

I'd like to know which players weren't up for the shoot-out.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:01 pm

I'd like to know which players weren't up for the shoot-out.

If some players weren’t up for it, and we don’t have a clue whether that’s the case, then I wouldn’t blame them considering how much those who miss are vilified.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:04 pm

If some players weren’t up for it, and we don’t have a clue whether that’s the case, then I wouldn’t blame them considering how much those who miss are vilified.

I agree.

i also think bringing on players specifically to take penalties put ridiculous pressure on them

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:38 pm

Could the miracle still happen? Could Tripps still come back to Burnley in this window? If only.

Never while he wants to be a regular for England. And he would never sacrifice the earning potential and part of being a key man in that England squad to play for us. Why should he.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:47 pm

They weren’t my choices, they were Southgates. He based those choices on something more than blind faith. He’s seen these players take penalties almost every day in training for the last 5 weeks and chose who he thought were the best penalty takers. If we had players stood on the halfway line who had good penalty scoring records then I would understand the criticism, but we didn’t. So ‘fancying’ Luke Shaw to score is based on nothing but blind faith.

And are you really suggesting that he keep Tripper on just in case the game went another 50+ minutes and we got to penalties? At that point in the game it didn’t look like we’d even make it to extra time.

Your argument is the same as mine. Your "blind faith" is in Southgate and his judgment based on what happened in practice, whereas my "blind faith" in is in a player's experience and ability to deal with composure when the pressure is on. Your argument is simply the other side of mine.

No, I'm suggesting it was a terrible mistake taking Trippier off at all. He was dictating the game and provided a major threat from set pieces. Phillips provided nothing in that regard for the rest of the game and our main threat was muted from then on.