British Grand Prix

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:48 pm

there wasn't a thread om this so here goes, Hamilton on pole, and he badly needs to make that advantage tell to close the gap in the championship race.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:57 pm

Hamilton is not on Pole until he wins the sprint race tomorrow - 3 points up for grabs in that too - as he himself has said said he needs to win Saturday and Sunday (fast lap would be good too) but that looks a big ask, not impossible but a big ask

Elsewhere George Russell looked very good again in qualifying and he got a massive cheer - Bottas also did well considering he was towing Hamilton - just who of the two of them will be alongside Hamilton next season

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:01 pm

Can’t wait.

Even better if Russell and Noris do well.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:04 pm

On another note - moving quali to Friday seems to ha e worked.

Never seen a Friday crowd like that at Silverstone!

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:05 pm

Looked absolutely fantastic today at Silverstone. The track is immaculate, the fans and grandstands... wow!

Wish I were there.

If they have a 2nd one there this year, I'll try to go

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:38 am

Almost missed it, didn’t know about the new format. Russell did really well, good to see Williams moving back up the grid.

What happens if there’s a pile up in the sprint? Could we have a Steven Bradbury moment, and Mick Schumacher coming through carnage to take poll?

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:54 am

I have zero interest in motor sports but I guess that as millions watch it, there must be something I'm missing

Now have I mentioned about a coat of Dulux emulsion I applied last week to one of the bedroom walls. The drying process was a joy to behold

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:02 am

I missed Qualifying didn't know about this,have I got this right?Hamilton is on pole but he isn't on pole?
F1 is dying a terrible death,Max is about to become champion for probably the next ten years unchallenged.....Yawn!

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:05 am

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:02 am
I missed Qualifying didn't know about this,have I got this right?Hamilton is on pole but he isn't on pole?
F1 is dying a terrible death,Max is about to become champion for probably the next ten years unchallenged.....Yawn!

You obviously have no interest in this.
Why post?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:05 am

RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:38 am
Almost missed it, didn’t know about the new format. Russell did really well, good to see Williams moving back up the grid.

What happens if there’s a pile up in the sprint? Could we have a Steven Bradbury moment, and Mick Schumacher coming through carnage to take poll?

Yep, great to see Williams finding form and especially with a British driver.

When this new format was first discussed I thought it sounded gimmicky, but really enjoyed the quali being on a Friday and looking forward to the first sprint race today. The whole prospect of carnage is exactly why they did it, but imagine most will play it very safe!!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:09 am

TopCat wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:05 am
You obviously have no interest in this.
Why post?

I Haved loved F1 since James Hunt won the World Championship in a very wet Japan....today's F1 is boring with only one team being dominant each season,this looked like it could have been a cracker but Lewis will struggle to beat Max this time.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:47 am

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:09 am
I Haved loved F1 since James Hunt won the World Championship in a very wet Japan....today's F1 is boring with only one team being dominant each season,this looked like it could have been a cracker but Lewis will struggle to beat Max this time.

Hopefully next years car regulations will see following and therefore passing someone much easier. Mercedes are throwing a lot of development in to next years car (they all are) but seem more prepared to sacrifice this years in season development so as they're ahead at the beginning of the new era.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:18 pm

Sprint race....that was exciting...not

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:32 pm

The softs went off a bit but didn't degrade quickly like the Mediums. Bottas tyres looked healthy and he only finished about 3 seconds behind Hamilton.

Clearly the hard tyre is going to be the choice starting tyre tomorrow but could throw up a few different strategies.

As we saw last year (and with tomorrows heat!) the tyres are really going to be punished tomorrow. Defo two stopper. Should be a great race towards the end.

Cheshireclaret · Post by **Cheshireclaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:16 am

The Sprint Race might only change things if the teams are allowed to bring a T-Car to a race again. Until then, it’ll be at best as it was today - a bit of an exhibition race for the fans. But there was more going on than I thought and I’m sure eventually if they keep it you’ll get more than 3 points for winning it and the points will go lower down the order. It’s a blue print.

As for criticising it based on it being boring and teams winning year after year. Hamilton has been challenged at various intervals and the title has gone to the wire before. Rosberg nicked a title off him. This year he’s having things taken to him by Verstappen but Mercedes have already suggested they’ve stopped developing this year and are focussed on the new regulations. And look - Lewis has just signed a new 2 year deal.

It’s the unknown again. And we wait and see. There have been periods of dominance by Schumacher, Vettel and now Hamilton and I remember as a 12 year old going to the 1989 British GP and seeing Mansell racing Senna, racing Prost, racing Piquet, racing Swearhard Berger…….characters. All of them. We’re now blessed with the likes of Norris and Russell, both of whom will win races and come good. Enjoy it. The guard will change. Hamilton has had terrible team mates (Rosberg begrudgingly excepted) at Mercedes and when Russell sits next to him, if he doesn’t pull a Senna / Warwick stunt, then we will see what he has…….

Enjoy it. It’s sport.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:21 am

3 of the 10 teams have 2 or less points, what's even the point?

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:58 am

Sorry F1, but that was boring. No matter how much Croft & Brundle talked it up.. zzzzzz

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:51 am

It was boring, but Perez wouldn’t be starting 18th ordinary, so adds an edge.

Good concept that needs some perfection. I’d make them all start on ultra softs to encourage some pit stops.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:04 am

In theory the idea sounds good, in practice it just needs tweating a little, maybe in the Sprint first get 10 points, 2nd 9, 3rd 8 and so on down to 10th and 1 point, would mean the midfield could push more not only for a better starting position in the Grand Prix but to earn a couple of extra points.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:06 am

Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:16 am
Hamilton has had terrible team mates (Rosberg begrudgingly excepted) at Mercedes and when Russell sits next to him, if he doesn’t pull a Senna / Warwick stunt, then we will see what he has…….

Enjoy it. It’s sport.

Depends how you look at it really. From a neutral point of view, yes the team mates have not had his quality, but Hamilton is a great driver whether you like him or not.

Or from a Hamilton perspective you could say he has had great team mates, thinking of Bottas, good enough to get 2nd's and 3rd's and the odd win to help the team win the Constructor's Championship, but for Lewis, Bottas is not good enough to challenge him consistently so removes the headache from the team and allows them to put their focus on Lewis for the challenges he has had previously from Vettel and Ferrari and now Max with Red Bull.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:49 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:21 am
3 of the 10 teams have 2 or less points, what's even the point?

I think that means they had a 10th place finish!

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:01 am

The only Grand Prix I have ever been to was Silverstone back when Hamilton was learning his trade at F2. He won that day and the people I was with knew all about him, I was there for the corporate day out. Fantastic experience and the noise of those engines was incredible.

Highlight of my day was getting Rick Parfitt to have a chat with my Mum on the mobile and wish her Happy Birthday (he was walking past with his missus)

We then had all of Quo encamp in the 'box' next to ours and Rick said 'Alright Mac'? 'Yes mate all good thanks'.

All heads turned in my direction with dropped jaws

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:41 am

claretburns wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:04 am
In theory the idea sounds good, in practice it just needs tweating a little, maybe in the Sprint first get 10 points, 2nd 9, 3rd 8 and so on down to 10th and 1 point, would mean the midfield could push more not only for a better starting position in the Grand Prix but to earn a couple of extra points.

You could extend it to 50+ laps or 2 hours, also add a point for fastest lap, oh, and run it on a Sunday

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:00 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:41 am
You could extend it to 50+ laps or 2 hours, also add a point for fastest lap, oh, and run it on a Sunday

True Rammy, a very good idea, I might write a letter to Liberty Media and advise this

One thing for me on the fastest lap though, I don't understand why you need to finish in the top 10, for example a Haas, Williams, Alfa Romeo who aren't expected currently to get top 10, why can't they push for it at the end with a new set of tyres and help them in their Constructor's battle.

the_fat_shearer · Post by **the_fat_shearer** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:48 pm

To be fair, I thought the sprint was alright. It definitely made Friday more value for money for the spectators and Alonso doing so well has catapulted him up the order and made it more interesting and as has been mentioned, Perez so low down the order was quite a change to the norm.

Not sure I agree with the points for the top 3, though. The issue at the moment is that Max and Lewis are so far ahead of everyone and awarding points just to the top 3 is only going to extend this

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:10 pm

The ex Red Bull Drivers on Channel four laying a lot of blame on Hamilton, when Verstappen would have done the same as Hamilton

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:12 pm

Verstappen out on first lap, slight contact with Hamilton but spins off into wall. It's hard work today, I've got the cricket, F1 and golf to watch at the same time!!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:16 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:12 pm
Verstappen out on first lap, slight contact with Hamilton but spins off into wall. It's hard work today, I've got the cricket, F1 and golf to watch at the same time!!

And post on here ... who said we could'nt mulitask

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 pm

Go Lewis

SalouClaret · Post by **SalouClaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 pm

Can see Lewis getting a penalty here.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:19 pm

Yeh, it's a good job Mrs Vino is here to get my cold beers from the fridge.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:20 pm

SalouClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 pm
Can see Lewis getting a penalty here.

Me too - looked like Verstappen's corner. Tough call.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:23 pm

SalouClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:18 pm
Can see Lewis getting a penalty here.

We are **** at penalties ...

SalouClaret · Post by **SalouClaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:24 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:23 pm
We are **** at penalties ...

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:43 pm

No penalty for me. Racing incident. Lewis could have been tighter, Max didn’t need to cut in as harshly as he did. If they start penalising genuine racing then what’s the point? This is what fans what to see (ok aside from serious crash’s).

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:49 pm

10 second penalty for Hamilton

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:02 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:43 pm
No penalty for me. Racing incident. Lewis could have been tighter, Max didn’t need to cut in as harshly as he did. If they start penalising genuine racing then what’s the point? This is what fans what to see (ok aside from serious crash’s).

Great Post RV,they want to make the sport more exciting,that was a fantastic opening lap then they spoil it by dishing out a penalty.....

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:35 pm

Going to be an interesting last 17 laps ... now Lewis has done his penalty

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:41 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:12 pm
Verstappen out on first lap, slight contact with Hamilton but spins off into wall. It's hard work today, I've got the cricket, F1 and golf to watch at the same time!!

And the TDF as well

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:59 pm

Said it would be interesting .. Hamilton leads

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:00 pm

Wow! Goose bumps...played Lewis...still the best around.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:02 pm

Chasing down the Ferrari wasn't even remotely fair at all.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:06 pm

Red Bull are snorting with fury!!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:09 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:06 pm
Red Bull are snorting with fury!!

They are flying off the handle (well they do say it gives you wings

I'll get mi coat)

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:14 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:10 pm
The ex Red Bull Drivers on Channel four laying a lot of blame on Hamilton, when Verstappen would have done the same as Hamilton

Then he should have got a penalty too. Hamilton regularly gets away with things with little consequence it seems. Same with Alonso. Others, eg Perez, generally gets blamed and penalised for all sorts.

The sprint race might be more interesting in rain or on a less monotonous course than Silverstone. I'll reserve judgment on that until we see one on a track with better overtaking opportunity.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:14 pm

Big win for Lewis puts him right back in the title picture.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:27 pm

Fantastic race and keeps the title race nice and tight.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:31 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:27 pm
Fantastic race and keeps the title race nice and tight.

No doubt the stewards, race director and Liberty Media number one concern when dishing out punishment.

Hamilton took him off, he always does this - never lets someone do him twice in the same spot. After yesterdays sprint race I knew this was coming but thought it would have been Brooklands.

Hamilton 100% at fault, I agree with Marko - he needs banning. This is the kind of coward move I use to take players off the track on the F1 game without getting a penalty. He never had the lead, never had the corner and wouldn't have made it without backing out of it which he had no intention of doing until he'd sent Verstappen off.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:43 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:31 pm
No doubt the stewards, race director and Liberty Media number one concern when dishing out punishment.

Hamilton took him off, he always does this - never lets someone do him twice in the same spot. After yesterdays sprint race I knew this was coming but thought it would have been Brooklands.

Hamilton 100% at fault, I agree with Marko - he needs banning. This is the kind of coward move I use to take players off the track on the F1 game without getting a penalty. He never had the lead, never had the corner and wouldn't have made it without backing out of it which he had no intention of doing until he'd sent Verstappen off.

Isn’t it funny how differently it’s being seen? For me, it was 50/50 and no more than a racing incident. You think if it’s the other way round Max isn’t in the same position to Lewis? Both could have backed out if they wanted to but yet Lewis held his line and could have been tighter to the apex, while Max definitely cut in on Lewis’s line to cause the touch.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:01 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:43 pm
Isn’t it funny how differently it’s being seen? For me, it was 50/50 and no more than a racing incident. You think if it’s the other way round Max isn’t in the same position to Lewis? Both could have backed out if they wanted to but yet Lewis held his line and could have been tighter to the apex, while Max definitely cut in on Lewis’s line to cause the touch.

Held his line?

If he was going for any kind of line he'd have backed out way before.

He meant to hit him 100%